Jo Swinson & Ed Davey have both been doing the podcast circuit so I've heard a fair bit from them both.
Can't get a credit card between them on policy so it makes little odd which one wins in that sense but I got a really good feeling about Ed Davey. He seemed (to me) a better communicator and just more on top of the issues. Plus he's actually held a government post. (Or maybe that was the problem!)
Which isn't to say she'll be 'bad' at the job, I'm sure she'll be great.
What does everyone else think?
who ?
Does she ride a bike?
Jo Swinson MP, new leader of the Lib Dems
I think the only "problem" with Ed Davey was that he was (arguably) slightly more associated with the tuition fees and jo swinson moves them on a little from those objections. I'd be inclined to agree that he is possibly a little more statesman-like.
I do think their whole leadership selection process stood out in stark contrast to the other fiasco, but was under-reported to the extent that people are asking questions like "who's Jo Swinson..."
Possibly to have the shortest ever term as leader of the Libdems as there's a good chance she will lose her seat at the next GE (which could be very soon).
Hypocrit, cruel, liar. A Tory in a yellow dress.
Wot scotroutes said
Add carpetbagger to the list as well
there’s a good chance she will lose her seat at the next GE
It's changed hands but a 5000 majority seems pretty good to me. Not safe, but not hyper-marginal.
I didn't realise she was the one who beat John Nicolson.
...and I was wrong, she has been in government.
So Lib Dems aren't happy with their leader now - does this make Farage the only leader of a domestic party who's party supporters actually like! 🙂
At this rate we'll have hung parliaments for the next two decades and **** all will get done.
Can't stand her, hope she fails miserably and to hell with anyone who votes for her.
...and Ed Davey's seat is even more marginal.
Can’t stand her, hope she fails miserably and to hell with anyone who votes for her.
Why? She seems fairly inoffensive.
Wot scotroutes said
+1
Never trust a Tory, nor their enablers.
Completely unapologetic for her role in the coalition. On record as saying " no deal with Corbyn" Wanted a statue of Thatcher.
Her seat is vulnerable to an SNP surge which I think highly likely at the next GE. SNP held it at a previous election
I like her and am glad she won.
Why? She seems fairly inoffensive.
Have a look at her voting record.
Completely unapologetic for her role in the coalition. On record as saying ” no deal with Corbyn” Wanted a statue of Thatcher.
- Being in government involves doing unpopular stuff.
- No party will ever do a substantial deal with Corbyn for all the obvious reasons
- The first female prime minister is worth a statue. If not the first which one? The second? Or just the first female prime minister with similar politics to yours?
Her seat is vulnerable to an SNP surge which I think highly likely at the next GE.
Because one thing that Brexit has taught us is leaving complex political and economic alliances works out fine. 🙂
Have a look at her voting record.
How about you give me an example from her voting record.
OOB - your opinion and mine on the merits of scots independence does not matter. Her seat is vulnerable to the snp
OOB – your opinion and mine on the merits of scots independence does not matter. Her seat is vulnerable to the snp
Historically it has been. My opinion is relevant because I'm arguing that the example of Brexit *should* be a massive brake on the SNP. Even the SNP think Brexit is a bad idea and Scexit will be more complicated and more damaging for all the same reasons and more. So I'm predicting the SNP are in retreat which makes JS seat less marginal.
I could be wrong of course, I often am.
How about you give me an example from her voting record.
How about you do your own research?
It's fairly easy. You just type "Jo Swinson Voting Record" into Google.
Her seat is vulnerable to the snp
I wonder how much this kind of thing is affected by leadership - IMO her increased visibility on TV and radio etc will, if anything, help with voters and make her seat more secure...
– The first female prime minister is worth a statue. If not the first which one? The second? Or just the first female prime minister with similar politics to yours?
+1
Like her or loath her, she was a pretty significant figure in British Politics...
Why? She seems fairly inoffensive.
Her stance over 2nd Indy ref, her propping up Tory coalition and from meeting her several times she was stuck up and thought she was better than everybody.
The first female prime minister is worth a statue.
Our town got a statue .
It's all that's left.
She destroyed everything else.
TJ is just afraid the LD’s will take votes away from Corbyn....& so he should be.
Lab have been an abysmal opposition - their paucity only comes second to the current crop of Tories - quite literally!
Ignore his bitter sniping.
She's a cock of a woman.
sootyandjim
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How about you give me an example from her voting record.How about you do your own research?
It’s fairly easy. You just type “Jo Swinson Voting Record” into Google.
I recognize that the "you guess why I don't like this person and try and argue it down" method has its merits for promoting lively debate, but it's pretty annoying when you actually want to know what is driving somebody's opinion of someone or something.
Loving the "yellow tory" and "tory enabler" pish from the (possible) supporters of the scottish party that brought you this:
Labour frozen out as SNP buries hatchet with Conservatives to end 20-year taboo
Short memories all around.
In a future world where the voting percentages could create hung parliaments and coalitions a plenty; where would we ever find a politician pure enough to wave a saltire again :.)
Woohoo, eat the breids SNP alert has awoken him! 😂🤣
but it’s pretty annoying when you actually want to know what is driving somebody’s opinion of someone or something.
Its hard to believe that someone interested in the libdems wont know that her voting record was extremely pro austerity and as a minister oversaw some changes which made it considerably harder for workers to go to tribunal.
As such it is extremely easy to guess why someone would object to her based on her voting record.
Her stance over 2nd Indy ref, her propping up Tory coalition and from meeting her several times she was stuck up and thought she was better than everybody.
Thanks, that's clear.
I wonder how much this kind of thing is affected by leadership – IMO her increased visibility on TV and radio etc will, if anything, help with voters and make her seat more secure…
Good thought. I've learned the hard way that having an MP who isn't in the governing party is largely pointless, you need an insider arguing your case. Outsiers will write letters but they have zero influence. Same with local govt cabinets. I suspect your MP being a Party leader has a similar 'finger on the pulse, influence and the right contacts' benefit. That probably adds a few vote to JS next time.
I recognize that the “you guess why I don’t like this person and try and argue it down” method has its merits for promoting lively debate, but it’s pretty annoying when you actually want to know what is driving somebody’s opinion of someone or something.
This. Put it better than I could.
nobeer
I'll take that as a compliment from the man whose contribution to the thread so far is:
She’s a cock of a woman.
FYI Its less of an "SNP alert" and more of a "hypocrite klaxon".
You can tell labour are worried by the amount of stick they are giving her, her voting record looks a touch tory on a quick skim over it, but she is leader of the libdems so I doubt members would allow her to go full tory, but she & her party are fully supportive of staying in the EU so they'll get my more than likely wasted vote at the next GE
You can tell labour are worried by the amount of stick they are giving her, her voting record looks a touch tory on a quick skim over it, but she is leader of the libdems so I doubt members would allow her to go full tory, but she & her party are fully supportive of staying in the EU so they’ll get my more than likely wasted vote at the next GE
In her defence every single party fought the 2010 election on a 'reduce the deficit' ticket. It's a bit harsh to have a pop at her because a few years later we're all a bit bored with paying the money we borrowed back.
I like her. She will do well against Johnson and Corbyn. She will be the only one talking sense with a clear message. I don’t buy the tuition fees and austerity argument. Guess I’m a Tory in a yellow dress then.
“hypocrite klaxon”
What you mean like staunchly advocating for a 2nd referendum on Brexit while staunchly denouncing a a 2nd Referendum on Scottish Independence.
In her defence every single party fought the 2010 election on a ‘reduce the deficit’ ticket. It’s a bit harsh to have a pop at her because a few years later we’re all a bit bored with paying the money we borrowed back
Indeed. You have to take the context into account, coalition means compromises and that record would have been very different if the Lib Dems had been a majority government rather than a minority in a coalition.
Lol @ eat the breid, that's awesome, can we keep you? 😋🤣
Amount of mud being slung from the hard-left parts of Labour tells she's probably the perfect Women for the job.
You have to take the context into account, coalition means compromises and that record would have been very different if the Lib Dems had been a majority government
You would need to provide some evidence for that claim. Given the ideological bias of the orange book libdems its hard to see that there would be much deviation. Aside from possibly getting PR in place but since they would have got a majority that would be dubious.
Remember she states there is plenty of stuff she was happy with from the coalition. For the stuff she admits was incorrect I dont believe she didnt think they were right at the time.
You have to take the context into account, coalition means compromises and that record would have been very different if the Lib Dems had been a majority government
+1
Especially a minority party in a coalition.
richmtb
From my point of view its not about being for or against second referenda.
I just prefer it when important questions are decided using facts and experts rather than hand & flagwaving. Thats not hypocrisy where these two subjects are concerned.
nobeer
still engaging with the facts people in the traditional way I see?
Her voting record is poor. Brexit does seem to have pushed her left rather than right, so I will be interested in where she goes when she gets tested and challenged.
she & her party are fully supportive of staying in the EU so they’ll get my more than likely wasted vote at the next GE
+1 That's the most important thing right now.
