[Closed] Jimmy Carr and Tax

Why are you pretending that Jimmy Carr is a politician and that terms such as "U turn" applies to him ?

[i]Today I am introducing a Private Member’s Bill into the Commons which will outlaw any financial transaction for which the primary purpose is tax avoidance/evasion rather than any genuine economic purpose. It will transfer the burden of proof, from HMRC having to prove that a transaction was really a disguised tax avoidance device, to a company having to prove that it had a genuine purpose. If HMRC believed for good reasons that it was really for tax avoidance purposes, they could declare that the transaction was null and void and it would be for the company, if they so chose, to challenge that decision in court. As it happens, on this very day a new tax avoidance sceme has just surfaced which would be a perfect example for the application of my Bill.[/i]

Wouldn't that include people stuffing cash into a pension too - as based upon the current returns...

haha ok is this something new? that people with huge cash will make the most of it? that people with huge amounts of cash don't care about those without. hahaha.It

is this not just the modern way of bringing the issue into the public eye..?

of course, we erudite STW stalwarts are proud of our dogged determination in hunting down injustice and will spend hours poring over the deeds of obscure party supporting business men to find irregularities.. but perhaps we're the intellectual minority..?

Call me Dave probably imagines that the general public may understand things a bit better if a popular celeb is at the centre of the scandal.. maybe this is the dawning of a new age of transparency and morality for the ConDems..?
Perhaps the hundreds and hundreds of millions of taxes that get legally stolen by the elite have finally started to cause the government some embarrassment..?
Maybe this is the start of a major shake down..?
The emergence of a J Edgar Hoover to topple the Eton Mafia..?

I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make, and I think I'm almost sounding like I'm investing blind optimism and trusting the government on this, so I'd better go and make a nice hot pot of tea and meditate for a bit..

I find the whole thing very odd.

Conservative PM publicly comments on an individuals tax payments (does data protection come in to that?) saying its wrong that he's avoiding tax and he shouldn't be doing.

Labour leader basically comes out and says its legal, whats wrong with that.

Isn't this complete role reversal?

Also what is the PM thinking behind this politically? It will score him points with all us poor people (or so he hopes) but for all the rich people who support his party and keep the UK economy going it will do him no favours.

Also as has been said above Jimmy Carr is a drop in the ocean, why didnt he mention some much bigger players too?

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Also what is the PM thinking behind this politically? It will score him points with all us poor people (or so he hopes) but for all the rich people who support his party and keep the UK economy going it will do him no favours.

He'll get a Sun headline and the proles will think he's on their side (yeah... right!), whereas the Tory Donors will know that its lip service, and he'll actually do eff all to plug their dodgy offshore tax affairs.

Actually... as a percentage of his income, if Jimmy Carr paid 2% tax then that a **** of a lot more than News International paid in tax last year. And I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the sums involved are more considerable than Jimmy Carrs '8 out of 10 Cats' proceeds

Labour leader basically comes out and says its legal, whats wrong with that.

I'm not entirely sure that the Labour Leader saying "whats wrong with that" bit is true.

Another vote for Mr Carr to tell Cameron to wind his neck in. The day when a Prime Minister becomes a bully and can label someone as a Public Enemy is a bad one for us all. Stand firm Mr Carr!

I think the Labour leader is saying that it's more important to concentrate on closing the loopholes than labelling a comedian who is avoiding tax legally as "immoral". It may be immoral, but he hasn't broken any law of the land, and it's small beans compared to what we've lost as society from the "sweetheart" deals that HMRC struck with, for example, Goldman Sachs.

When is Cameron going to label Zac Goldsmith immoral?
When is Cameron going to label Philip Green immoral?
When is Cameron going to label Ashcroft immoral?
Eh? What? Eh?

David Cameron calls Jimmy Carr "Morally Wrong" for using legal tax avoidance methods. Fair play to him on that one. Cameron family fortune consolidated in legal tax avoidance schemes in Panama and Geneva.... So, do as we say and not we do then is it..?

ohnohesback +1

Of course. Nothing like picking on someone to divert attention away for the mess that you're making...

Of course. Nothing like picking on someone to divert attaention away for the mess that you're making...

Anyone would think the Tories are, well, erm, kind of bully-ish eh?

If Cameron's behaviour is a barometer of the Tory party's essential nature, then I'd have to say that it's irrefutable evidence that they are indeed, scum...

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IMO Jimmy Carr has played this all wrong rather than a trite appologetic tweet he really should have stood on his doorstep this morning given a little shrug and said something like;

[I]"I made a mistake. Not avoiding taxes, everyone with a few quid does that, No I fogot to make a donation to the Conservative party... Cheques in the post Dave."[/I]

That would have been far better...

In fact, I'm so incensed at Cameron's bullsht that I'm going to vote Labour at the next election. Not that I think that bunch of tosseurs are any better at running stuff, but just to stick one up Cameron's rear entry.

cookeaa - Member

IMO Jimmy Carr has played this all wrong rather than a trite appologetic tweet he really should have stood on his doorstep this morning given a little shrug and said something like;

"I made a mistake. Not avoiding taxes, everyone with a few quid does that, No I fogot to make a donation to the Conservative party... Cheques in the post Dave."

That would have been far better...

10 out of 10! 🙂

Calm down Woppit, you'll feel a whole lot better after you've had a nice relaxing cup of tea.

Then I'm sure you won't feel any need to stick one up Cameron's rear entry.

Don't tell me to calm down, you patronising dick.

lol, oh dear.

Don't tell me to calm down, you patronising dick.

Clearly you don't need to calm down at all then.

Well, obviously!!! 😀

Now now boys

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Did someone say Dick?

I have an attractive one I'd have you know

10 out of 10!

9 out of 10 surely?

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hora - Member
Did someone say Dick?

I have an attractive one I'd have you know

So,.. You want a picture of hora's dick....mmmmmmm..... 😯

Yeah. Go on, then.

It might calm me down.

Here's mine...

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Wasn't the word 'Beautiful' used originally Hora?

Five pages to get to hora's beautiful penis. I believe that is now /thread

mk1fan - Member

10 out of 10!

9 out of 10 surely?

Or 8 even 🙂

(putting hora's penis to one side for a moment)

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/downing-street-no-imminent-plans-to-disclose-david-camerons-tax-details-7872318.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/downing-street-no-imminent-plans-to-disclose-david-camerons-tax-details-7872318.html[/url]

now i wonder why that could be...................?

Or 8 even

Despite your sarcasm, it's perfectly clear and consistent. You choose not to see it as such because you obviously don't agree with my point of view.

You chopped my quote so not to include the word "keeping". It is very clear that I am saying there is no justification imo for keeping the present legal tax loopholes which provide no benefit other than as means of avoiding tax. However as these loopholes exist I see no reason why anyone would not use them.

All pretty straight forward easy to understand stuff. Although I do appreciate that it might upset the sensitivities of moralising petty bourgeois lefties who get worked up and anal over such matters.

Your view is hypocritical and cheap/lazy "marxist" attacks at me wont alter that

In fact, I'm so incensed at Cameron's bullsht that I'm going to vote Labour at the next election. Not that I think that bunch of tosseurs are any better at running stuff, but just to stick one up Cameron's rear entry.

I'm going to clone polling cards and vote twice for Dave to every one of yours

I know what y are saying and I think most people view this as hypocrisy

Excellent, you are entitled to your opinion - I had assumed you didn't agree with me, I don't have an issue with that.

My only issue was that you chopped quotes out of my posts and taking them completely out of context put them in a sequence specifically to give the deliberate false impression that I was contracting myself. Which was a pretty desperate measure.

Like a lot of people I believe that keeping tax loopholes which serve no useful purpose other than to provide a means of not paying tax is not justified. Also like a lot of people I have no issue with people using legal means to minimise their tax liabilities.

You might not agreed with that point of view, in fact you clearly don't. But that point of view is completely consistent and does not represent a contradiction. Your allegation that it does is false.

I know what y are saying and I think most people view this as hypocrisy

Principles are one thing, extra money for bike bits is quite another 🙂

I could come up with some spurious analogies but I'm sure you are allowed to dislike the rules and ask for change whilst still playing by the current rules.

*no chance of me ever being in that income bracket

[i]If you force someone like Jimmy Carr to pay a high rate of tax you might drive him out of the country. Worth a try, anyway.[/i]

I thought he was a comedian who told jokes ?

Often quite funny ones too.

He is not that funny though - certainly not £3million funny

If you force someone like Jimmy Carr to pay a high rate of tax you might drive him out of the country. Worth a try, anyway.

+1

Value of future DVDs/Tours > Potential tax saved

He is not that funny though - certainly not £3million funny

Well apparently he is precisely that .....funny to the tune of £3 million.

Unless of course you have some information which you would like to share that provides evidence that his wealth is not solely dependent on his ability to be funny ? Perhaps he's got another very lucrative part time job ?

Had he not pulled out of the K2 scheme, his career and popularity would have nose-dived, now he gets to say sorry and come his next tour, all will be forgotten (much like his comedy).

Alright; what I was getting at is that I don't know how he has amassed a £3million fortune telling the crap jokes that he does.