Jeremy Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn is in no way electable. Too left wing by far for most people.

If you are swayed by the meeja who are worried that if JC does represent what people want then bang goes their ability to make Westminster jump and dance to their tune. (And PLP who mostly don't represent the views of their constituents and frankly treat them with ill-disguised contempt, Jess Phillips that would be you that would).

Its nothing to do with the meeja.

Its the fact that the UK population aren't going to elect someone to run the country who can't even fill all his shadow cabinet positions, because the vast majority of his own MP's think he's a frankly crap leader, and they don't want to be tainted by either his politics or his general air of ineptitude

It doesn't matter what my opinion is, what yours is, or what the editor of the Guardian or the Sun think of him. People aren't daft. Its a basic question of competence. Piss ups and breweries. That kind of thing. Whichever way you slice it, there is more chance of me becoming the next pope than JC becoming PM

Osborne is finished.

As a leadership candidate, for now at least. I think there is a good chance he is kept on for "stability"

We shall see - personally I think the likelihood of slash and burn policies are minimal. Anyway there is another Tory thread..back to Jezza, who wasn't that bad on Marr this morning.

I had forgotten about his "mandate" 😉 but he fortunately reminded me 10 times this morning. Phew, cant forget that then.

Eagle was mediocre at best but she was with that fool Peston on his comedy show.

It doesn't matter what my opinion is, what yours is, or what the editor of the Guardian or the Sun think of him. People aren't daft.

Fair point.

Is it because they're all racists? 😉

I can't help but agree with Binners on the imminent future within the Tory party

Anyone with half an ounce of sense knows that, both politically and economically, the 'Brexit strategy' needs to retain the single market at (almost) any cost. Both the current leadership candidates are (at least in public) openly discussing leaving the single market as their plan, even suggesting that rather than reassuring industry and investors that our national aim is 'Norway plus', is utterly bonkers. This 'lurch to the right' mentality will kill the Conservatives chances at the next election.

A centrist Labour party promoting 'Brexit light' has it all to play for at the moment. But as we saw on Marr this morning - Corbyn isn't interested in winning elections.

Binnera the media is everything. If they don't publish what you're up to then it hasn't happened for the average chap on the Clapham omnibus. If they are openly hostile then there isn't a prayer because the majority of the not overtly political people can't or won't think for themselves or do basic research. It is literally the Sun wot wins it.

I am certain that retaining the single market at any cost is a mistake. We should wait and let the EU stew a bit and ask some dififcult questions about Greece, lets see what happens in France and German GE's and Austria too. I susoect the Tories will do nothing rash, it will be a bit wait and see for a few months at least.

Media - I am amazed at the power people assign to the press, the press generally follow not lead opinion. IMO people aren't forming an opinion about Corbyn based on a few press reports, they look at the big picture events as seen on TV

Jamba - I did say almost.

and as i said, I think thats as much of a political reality (in light of the closeness of the vote even amongst supporters) as anything else

IMO people aren't forming an opinion about Corbyn based on a few press reports, they look at the big picture events as seen on TV

Umm, who makes the TV broadcasts? 😆

😀 yes I get that but bbc and itv are pretty straight imo, certainly more balanced/agenda free than written

the press generally follow not lead opinion

This. They have to or nobody would buy the papers.

Media - I am amazed at the power people assign to the press, the press generally follow not lead opinion. IMO people aren't forming an opinion about Corbyn based on a few press reports, they look at the big picture events as seen on TV

The media is a funny thing as it can manipulate AND be manipulated in equal measure. Yes, they have to follow opinion, but they choose which opinion to follow and twist anything and everything to fit their resultant agenda.

They are also susceptible to repeating whatever lies/spin they are being fed, and pick and choose which ones to "research" and/or repeat, depending on what political agenda they align themselves with.

As a result, they have the power to shape people's opinions, especially as lots of people like to be led.

Well Diane Abbot was on the Today programme defending Jezza. Diane is always who I look too for intelligent, measured impartial and informed analysis. To summarise...

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You get the picture...

Then it pointed out that Dianne is the shadow health minister. I wouldn't want Diane abbot running a raffle at the school fete. Never mind the health service. Thats how desperate things are. Diane Abbot is the shadow health minister. Says it all really

Whilst I agree that Dianne wouldn't by my first choice for ... anything - especially appearing on TV.
I would still rather have her than Hunt, Gove, May, Morgan, etc - and that's what we have to focus on.

I guess she must be doing something right in her constituency though - since 1987!

Dianne Abbot was a regular on "This Week" and was an excellent media commentator. I can't imagine her taking on Health though - that's a big job.

Jeremy has a democratic mandate

I have to say being a leader and saying look the MAJORITY of the party support me is a reasonable point to make
Its a better message than the teenage tantrum PLP you cannot make me and I will force you to it my way via the medium of being the most stroppy in the room and being a complete arse if you just give up for an easy life

I used to not mind Dianne Abbott but her decision over her son/education and her racist/sexist defence of it means I have no respect for her at all

Jesus even Give sent his son to a state school and I think JC divorced his wife over this issue.

"Its nothing to do with the meeja."

Jambalaya; if you're going to post bollocks on here, then at least follow Binners' example and make it amusing. Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! [i]That's[/i] how to post bollocks on an internet forum.

Getting back to the serious, grown up stuff; there needs to be a schism within Labour, it's been coming for some time now. Blair managed to turn a party traditionally of the Left, into a vehicle to gain personal power, influence and wealth. In the Iron Lady's own words, Blair and New Labour were her 'greatest achievement'. Blair filled Labour with sycophants and acolytes, which led to Labour's abandonment of their traditional core voters. And you won't believe what happened next. With Britain facing an inevitable social and economic decline, as it's former empire evaporated along with it's ability to actually make anything, the only way to actually stop the slide downwards, is for a restoration of the political balance. We need an effective Left to counter and control the Right. Currently we have a very right wing party (Tory), a pretty useless and redundant right-wing party (LibDem), and a fading and increasingly irrelevant right-wing Labour party. And bugger all real alternative choice. The best thing that can happen is for Labour to slplit, the right-wingers forming their own party or joining the other two, and for Labour to form alliances with the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP. Which could never happen with a Labour party under a right-winger. Whatever you may think of Corbyn, he is currently one of the only people who can actually try to drag Labour back where it should be, on the Left. There's no point in simply appealing to the centre ground in order to win an election, as there is no centre ground any more. Britain is a pretty right-wing nation and creeping ever further in that direction.

Binners; I particularly liked the 'bargain basement Lenin' bit. Invoking the spirit of Russel Brand was the icing on an already absurd cake. 😀

Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum.

Its a fair cop guv. I think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me 😀

You're welcome. I think Jamba actually believes the drivel he posts, though. 😯

jambalaya - Member
yes I get that but bbc and itv are pretty straight imo, certainly more balanced/agenda free than written

Is that true or were you told it by the BBC?

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I think the trying to tell with jamby is all thats left as he passed the shore of reason and fact some time ago.

I do like the way he says something then immediately contradicts himself though. they are my favourite posts

There's no point in simply appealing to the centre ground in order to win an election, as there is no centre ground any more.

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Let me guess, the Tories sold it all off?

"I do like the way he says something then immediately contradicts himself though. they are my favourite posts"

I'm amazed at the way he totally ignores any questions put to him, and goes 'silent' when proven wrong about anything (which is very often). I must say I initially thought that the 'bullying' of him was uncalled for, but have come to the point where I have changed my mind on that.

I think he and several others on here must be in a situation where they either exist in a tiny bubble of like-minded people, or simply have very little social interaction indeed, other than online, because such behaviour is extremely rare in 'real life'; someone will always call you out if you spout bollocks. Strikes me that Jamba and others simply cannot handle being challenged, they have no mechanism to react when other posit differing opinions/state actual facts.

"Let me guess, the Tories sold it all off?"

It got rebranded; it's now called 'Apathy'.

Getting back to the serious, grown up stuff

see below*

Currently we have a very right wing party (Tory), a pretty useless and redundant right-wing party (LibDem), and a fading and increasingly irrelevant right-wing Labour party.

*Clod; if you're going to post bollocks on here, then at least follow Binners' example and make it amusing. Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum.

Poor old eagle - her moment in the spotlight overshadowed by the Tory ladies. And guess which bit the biased meejia made the headline?

Anyone got a link to the painful Eagle presser?

"BBC? Preston? Crick? Anyone? *sobs* Anyone?"

Was on the BBC I think although I couldn't be bothered to listen to it !

[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36761370 ]Linky[/url]

I knew that one day I'd become a sort of benchmark for something. And if talking bollocks is that something, then so be it! I'd like to thank my agent, my nutricianist, my yoga instructor....

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Comrade Abbott has just been on channel 4 news calling Angela Eagle the 'Empire Strikes Back' candidate.

Yes Dianne.... The Empire... as in 'in power'. It's so juvenile, it's pathetic!

Angela Eagle was then interviewed and decided to talk about Europe and how it should be addressed. You know.... actual policies. Stuff that's happening in the real world. Which is a **** of a lot more than I've heard from the bearded one and his naval gazing comrades, who've barely mentioned anything as trivial as that. Deciding to disappear up their owns arses while banging on about Iraq, and the perceived plots against the Glorious Leader!

It's tragic that they haven't got a single bloody policy, or a single bloody clue. The concerns of the ludicrous Abbott and her laughable lefty cohorts can be summed up by...

Did the "mike holder" mention the "mandate" by any chance?

And the [s]UKIP news today[/s], sorry forget it.....

Here it is.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-07-11/robert-peston-where-are-you-angela-eagle-faces-awkward-silence-during-press-conference

Felt rather sorry for her, actually.

Blimey, I was only joking/missed that.

That is embarrassing. 😯

binners - Member

"Binners very skillfully manages to craft a deluded, blinkered and utterly clueless rant so well, that the less intelligent might actually think he's being serious! That's how to post bollocks on an internet forum".

Its a fair cop guv. I think thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me

I haven't read binner's rants on here for a couple of days but I think you probably give him too much credit.

Most of his material on "lefties" appears to be plagiarize from Richard Littlejohn's Daily Mail column, certainly the style is indistinguishable.

Earlier on this thread binners made the claim that [i]"Rolf Harris would have more chance of winning a general election than Corbyn"[/i] which sounded remarkably similar to Richard Littlejohn's rant last year : [i]"Trust Labour? I'd rather trust Jimmy Savile to babysit"[/i].

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In that particular article Littlejohn claims that Ed Miliband resembles [i]"a semi-literate sixth-former, with no grasp of either history or reality"[/i].

Binners levels exactly the same accusations against Corbyn on this thread.

All those references about Islington Lefties, Comrade Corbyn, sixth-formers, the Red Flag, Wolfie Smith, etc, are pure Richard Littlejohn. If you enjoy binners anti-leftie rantings then I would suggest you buy the Daily Mail, I'm sure you'll find more than enough to satisfy your needs for free-range tofu yogurt eating one-legged hermaphrodite lesbian trots.

U OK HON? XX

STW: a microcosm example of Momentum vs the PLP.

I love this place 🙂

STW: a microcosm example of Momentum vs the PLP.

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Felt rather sorry for her, actually.

Today hasn't been a every good day for her. She didn't need this headline :

[url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/angela-eagle-faces-prospect-of-no-confidence-vote-from-constituency-labour-party-34874830.html ]Angela Eagle faces prospect of ‘no confidence’ vote from constituency Labour party[/url]

Angela Eagle faces prospect of ‘no confidence’ vote from constituency Labour party

Splitters!

What no questions and now a no-confidence vote - momentum is not with her is it?

Still she could always ignore the vote of no-confidence couldn't she - or is that only for exceptional circumstances?

Failing that, could she argue that she has a mandate from the PLP

Splitters!

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?

Let us know if you want us to all start calling you Loretta comrade

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@Stoner and CFH we don't see you on these threads enough 🙂

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?

Went out of fashion when JC became an MP, the PLP took 30+ years to get on trend

Bring on the SDP say I.

Let the SWP drag Labour down, let a centrist SDP rise, let red tories and LibDems find a new home, and let Purple tories hang themselves on their insularity.

when I said not too long ago, that I relished the idea of the [i]threat[/i] of an EU referendum for the value of a little "shake-em-up", a little disruption, I never thought we'd see the silliest of silly seasons this summer.

Maybe we can dream, perchance, that politics will eat itself, and we all wake up libertarians one morning. Ah, wistful. 😀

TMH, not sure this is correct but Local Party vote of no-confidence ... means nothing except she may not be reselected in 2020. Only NEC can eject from the party (very unlikley) so she stands against Corbyn come what may.

Momentum is doing as much good for Labour as Militant Tendancy did in the 1980's

Whatever happened to good old-fashioned loyalty?

Corbyn style its alive and well. The PLP is showing him exactly the sort of loyalty he has shown the party for the last 30 years.

ah, but it's all about the mandate, brother. The mandate.

Maybe we can dream, perchance, that politics will eat itself, and we all wake up libertarians one morning. Ah, wistful.

Now there's a thought....

Jambas, I was having a giggle!

About the what?

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but it's all about the mandate, brother

Or sister.

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slackboy - and just how did you get that moniker?

[quote=jambalaya ]@Stoner and CFH we don't see you on these threads enough
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I miss alternative views that were informed...i never realised you were the erudite wing of the party till the last few years 😉

slackboy: you, me, and a bottle of brut behind the bikesheds...

we all live on a spectrum junky.

Anyway, who's found the best odds for a labour party split within the next 6 months because my Crabb bet has gone sideways.

bdum and, indeed, tish.

I miss alternative views that were informed...i never realised you were the erudite wing of the party till the last few years

I have nothing to add, but just wanted to copy and paste something in a lolitical thread.

Did you have a Crabb bet too? Not just me then?

I've had a fiver on Jezza leaving the Labour Party and going full Galloway and becoming minister for tractor production in Putins government

Yougov poll of Unite, Unison, GMB, USDAW and CWU union members:

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[i]'Cause they've got high hopes, they've got, high hopes, they've got high apple pie in the sky hopes... [/i]

jambalaya - Member

but Local Party vote of no-confidence ... means nothing except she may not be reselected in 2020.

So nothing serious then. The woman who wishes to be Labour Party leader might not have a parliamentary seat in four years time, I can't see a problem with that. I'm sure she's got it all worked out.

jezza is dug in like an Alabama tick.
{@binners, so no, I've not bet}
There isn't a crowbar long enough to prise the SWP parasites out of the labour movement. They've worked the constitution and the reach of the NEC as far as they can. If the SWP were viable on their own, they would have made a democratic footprint in the sand. Even if it were four-toed. But they cant, they cant get traction without an incumbent vehicle. And rightly so.

As it is, they've hijacked a social democratic centrist party to slingshot themselves, around Jupiter, give a tap to Juno's head, knock the Hubble telescope out of focus, and re-enter orbit somewhere over Islington to slam into Victoria Street just in time to send Labour into political oblivion for another 30 years.

binners - Member
...Angela Eagle was then interviewed and decided to talk about Europe and how it should be addressed. You know.... actual policies...

Unfortunately for her there's now a list up on how she has actually voted on those issues. It doesn't match, and the party members know it.

But Stoner.. democracy is infallible, isn't it?

*cross-comment from the other thread*

I have nothing to add

but just wanted to copy and paste something

in a lolitical thread

democracy is infallible

I'm a libertarian, grips.
Politics* is innately fallible 🙂

*democracy is not tech politics but you know what I mean 🙂

I did lol

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There isn't a crowbar long enough to prise the SWP parasites out of the labour movement. They've worked the constitution and the reach of the NEX as far as they can. If the SWP were viable on their own, they would have made a democratic footprint in the sand. Even if it were four-toed.

As it is, they've hijacked a social democratic centrist party to slingshot themselves, around Jupiter, give a tap to Juno's head, knock the Hubble telescope out of focus, and re-enter orbit somewhere over Islington into ready to slam into Victoria Street just in time to send Labour into political oblivion for another 30 years.

Well my, in that case they've certainty been very busy! Corbyn won 59.5% of 422,664 votes cast. I had no idea the SWP had that many members. They've now got more members than the Tory Party and LibDems put together.

Ernest, Ernest, [s]Enrest.[/s], Ernest*

Corbyn won 59.5% of 422,664 votes cast.

That we were all socialists that voted for Jeremy, one might crow.

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Mind you, he's got a terribly good chance of wining next time too. 😉

>>* it's late

Theresa May is on Newsnight talking about corporate reform to make society more equal. Whether she actually means it or not, time will tell

Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes are concentrating their efforts on unseating Angela Eagle from her parliamentary seat in 4 years time for disloyalty. Because that's really what's important right now.

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I'm sure it's playing really really well with the grown ups

I love you binners.
And that's saying something for a northerner 🙂

That were we all socialists who voted for Jeremy, one might crow.

I see. So the 251,417 votes which Corbyn recieved in the leadership election was made up of SWP members (although all known SWP members were barred from voting) and Daily Telegraph readers.

And there was me thinking that any SWP members and Daily Telegraph readers who were included in the totals were insignificant.

So anyway, you're claiming the Labour Party has also been "hijacked" by Daily Telegraph readers. Interesting. Although I have to say, not very convincing imo.

Has anyone blamed the Telegraph yet?

Oh. I see.

Has anyone blamed the Telegraph yet?

Oh this is fun 🙂

This thread gets more absurd by the minute. Stoner wades in accusing the SWP of hijacking the Labour Party, I point out that Corbyn received over a quarter of a million votes - rather more than the total SWP membership, he retaliates by suggesting that other "socialists" were involved, and CFH completely misses the point.

EDIT : And binners with his incessant ranting behaves like a politically immature sixth former, and in an act of supreme irony, accuses others of 6th form common room politics!

So much for the Tories lurching to the Right. May parks her bus in the middle of Miilibands spot on D1 while she waits for her new spot to be cleared while, as Baroness Jowell claimed on Newsnight, Jezza is taking the oppo in a direction that the British public don't want to go...

...interesting to watch

CFH completely misses the point

Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery Ernie 😉

Do you think Eagle realises she's just cannon fodder before the real battle for the Labour party?

So Jowell can vote May then?

What is the point of Labour standing so close to the Tories that they are indistinguishable?

Power ?

Dragon. I doubt it. But who knows in the current tipsy turvy world of politics.