Jeremy Corbyn

"have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times."

Well, that is a nice round number for someone claiming to be on the side of truth.

Have someone explain it to you.

Sorry jams, I'm not playing your silly game - making stuff up, snipping context, misquoting, just to bog down discussion on terrain distant from what's actually important.

A quick google brings up this Tory literature. [url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-urged-by-copeland-labour-activists-to-be-more-pro-nuclear-to-help-by-election-moorside-power-plans_uk_587d045ae4b0f3b82a384ca2 ]He's already done their job for them in Copeland....[/url]

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A quick google brings up this Tory literature. He's already done their job for them in Copeland....

Considering most of the activity at Sellafield is focused on decommissioning then they might agree with him. Sellafield hasn't generated power for decades and even then it was mainly to manufacture plutonium for polaris and trident, which they haven't done now for quite some time.

Thats neither here nor there. My dad spent his life as a BNFL engineer, so I know pretty well what people think. I spent loads of time up there with him. And the local population (the voters - remember them?) solidly support the biggest employer in the area. As would you if you lived up there. If you turned up in places like Whitehaven with some 'close down the nuclear industry' nonsense, as Jeremy has done for decades, you'd get lynched!

Theres also the small mater of the submarine manufacture just down the coast at Barrow. Another massive employer in the area

Have a read of that article I've linked mate. Its about the proposed new plant up there, which would guarantee 20,000 jobs. Which has massive support in the area, but the messiah won't actually back.

I'd put my house on it going Tory. Another previously rock solid Labour seat sacrificed at the alter of Corbyn's juvenile, detached-from-reality sixth form politics

I guess the thing about having a national policy is that it might not play well in certain constituencies. It's better that than chopping and changing policy before each by-election though.

Can someone confirm closing Nuclear Power stations is Labour policy?

I doubt it.

It isn't.

But when did that ever matter to him? This is Corbyn being Corbyn. Remember when he was asked to back Trident, because that is official party policy (the unions made sure of that!)? But he wouldn't, because he couldn't, as he's personally opposed it for decades?

So you had the total farce of the Labour leader stood at the despatch box, refusing to endorse official labour party policy. Thus rendering himself an absolute laughing stock!

Well this is just a rerun of that. If he opposes it, he's ****ed! As pretty much the entire local population (you know them.... the voters?) disagrees with him. And if he comes out now and supports it, then he just looks ridiculous, given his previous statements, and nobody would believe him anyway.

Thats what you get for unthinkingly spending decades playing to the sixth form gallery, and advocating policies that don't survive contact with the real world, and are massively unpopular (with good reason) with most voters

making stuff up, snipping context, misquoting

DrJ. See my list. All nailed on facts. It was a responce to an earlier question.

So you had the total farce of the Labour leader stood at the despatch box, refusing to endorse official labour party policy. Thus rendering himself an absolute laughing stock! [b]and massive electoral asset to the Tories/UKIP/Lib Dems[/b]

Nuclear. No it's not Party Policy but it is Corbyn's personal belief. As such it's reasonable to assume Corbyn might seek to change Party policy going forward. Look at his EU stance, he was an anti-EU campaigner for decades, then in theory backed Remain but look what happened in the Referendum ( 🙂 )

DrJ the Labour Party and it's supporters are going to have to have some answers even if [b]you[/b] don't. There will be a total Tsunami of this coming JC/Labour's way once the Tory election machine turns its fire on Labour in the run-up to 2020 GE. Youtube is a wonderful asset today, hours of footage to cut together to show the JC who voted against his own party 500 times

Jamb you were asked for policies not random things. ie J.M being a Marxist is not a policy.

Oh, if you want policies, I'm sure that there are a couple on Article 50 and the Single Market here:

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Alongside it being obvious that he can't even manage a 3 line whip of the Cabinet Of
None Of The Talents.

Oh and some empty, meaningless phrases like "Tory Brexit".

"Would Labour do... ?"

"But teh Tories"

"No, what would Labour do in this case ? "

"But teh Tories!!"

Well given that the government had a bit of a hiccup with their brexit agenda yesterday, the Maybot must have been mightily relieved to have a much easier day at the office today, as Jezza reached new levels of total ineptitude.

He started by offering condolences to the family of the police officer who was killed in Northern Ireland yesterday. A nice gesture. Apart from the fact that he's still alive.

They were reporting afterwards that Labour MP's were walking out in disgust at the worst yet of his totally ineffectual and blundering keystone cops PMQ'a performances

He's obviously had a spot of media coaching though, as he used the phrase 'bargain basement tax haven' approximately 974 times. I think the Maybot actually yawned when he got to 900.

Ed Miliband asked a question to huge cheers. He now looks like Churchill compared to the present 'leader of the opposition'

Giving his condolences for their loss, to the family of a police officer currently recovering in hospital was not, I would guess, a high point in Jezza's stellar career.

Ed Miliband asked a question to huge cheers. He now looks like Churchill compared to the present 'leader of the opposition'

It does make you wonder why he carries on with this. I'm not sure that labour MPs (assuming it's them not the tories) cheering their former leader is a particularly good idea though. They're sticking two fingers up to the membership, and come the day that Corbyn decides to put an end to this silly situation, bridges will have to be built. I have almost zero faith in the PLP to be able to do this, and this sort of behaviour pretty much guarantees that they'll lurch from this crisis to a new one with some other poor sod in the firing line.

Giving his condolences for their loss, to the family of a police officer currently recovering in hospital was not, I would guess, a high point in Jezza's stellar career.

Indeed I was gobsmacked (edit saw binners mentioned that too of course)

Watched it live today (always a good use of 30-40 mins over lunch). He has gone from trying the academic studiousness of a University lecturer reading out emails/letters from citizens to now just being very very shouty. The problem is even if he does have a good point to make May has so much ammunition about him and the party it's massively one sided.

DrJ. See my list. All nailed on facts.

Not just nailed on facts, but jambafacts!

Indeed DrJ. One and the same.

From Guido Fawkes. It's so crazy I struggle to believe it's true 😯

[b]Labour have selected an ardent Remainer who backed Turkey joining the EU as their candidate in the Stoke-on-Trent by-election[/b]. Gareth Snell, a councillor who used to work in Tristram Hunt’s office, was the most vocal Remainer on the final shortlist. He has tweeted dozens of times about his opposition to Brexit, calling it a “massive pile of sh*t” and tweeting in support of Turkish membership of the EU. [b]That sound you can hear is Paul Nuttall celebrating…[/b]

There are just no words for how dumb that is.

Corbyn is an IRA supporting friend of Hamas -

Labourfact!

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So Labour have put an anti-Corbyn Remainer up for Stoke?
So if he loses/wins, who takes the blame/credit?
I'm so confused.

BTW It's not surprising this thread is full of Guido Fawkes stuff. The posters on there share a very similar MO to many on here.

Heres an interesting question. If Corbyn is feted constantly by 'The Membership' for being a 'Conviction Politician' [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/24/remoaner-article-50-brexit-labour ]does this make Owen Smith one?[/url] 😆

Now now Cranberry let me correct that for you

Corbyn is an IRA supporting friend of Hamas -

[s]Labourfact![/s]

#Jambyfact

This is what his colleagues are calling him. The Tories are going to be a lot tougher

colleagues

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Heres an interesting question. If Corbyn is feted constantly by 'The Membership' for being a 'Conviction Politician' does this make Owen Smith one?

He's reiterating comments he made last summer, and given the timing, it's difficult to believe that he's not just posturing. That said, to give him his due, he's been consistently pro-European.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/27/jeremy-corbyn-article-50-vote-two-labour-whips-refuse ]A new rebellion is building I see[/url]. This one might actually see him off. Surely even Corbyn would struggle to justify staying in post if he lost two shadow cabinets in the space of a year?

If the whips, who are responsible for ensuring party discipline, are revolting you definitely have a problem.

There is a general problem for MPs in remain areas though - if they vote for article 50 they will face censure from their electorate, but to vote against the white paper is to vote against democracy. I could well understand them deciding to abstain in this situation - say that they cannot in good conscience vote to trigger Art 50, but will not seek to frustrate the democratic will of the country.

Corbyn should have made it a free vote. Let members represent the will of their voters (or not) Labour really is ****ed over this. Who'd want the top job now?

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said voting against the bill would "be very undermining of democracy".

"MPs voted for a referendum, there was an extraordinary high turn out - 72% - 17m people voted to leave. Many of them in some of our poorest areas," she told the BBC.

"How would it look if a bunch of politicians and commentators in London turned round and said: 'We know you voted to leave but we're just going to ignore you?'"

Of course, pandering to the most ignorant and racist sections of society is the right way to do things. Fortunately I've always disliked the woman.

If he offered a free vote he'd just be accused of not showing any leadership.

A new rebellion is building I see

There is a general problem for MPs in remain areas though - if they vote for article 50 they will face censure from their electorate, but to vote against the white paper is to vote against democracy. I could well understand them deciding to abstain in this situation - say that they cannot in good conscience vote to trigger Art 50, but will not seek to frustrate the democratic will of the country.

No way. If they think leaving the EU will cause significant damage to the UK they are honor bound to vote against it, just as they would if there was a referendum to nuke Bristol. The referendum had no more legal meaning than an opinion poll.

Even if it did compel them to do something it was only decided by 2pc which would be fairly easily ignored.

I can only conclude the truth must be either:

1) In their opinion Brexit won't do much harm or might even be beneficial.
2) In their opinion Brexit will be so utterly bad it won't happen even if they vote for it.

Of course, pandering to the most ignorant and racist sections of society is the right way to do things.

It should be a free vote.

On an issue as big as this even a 3 line whip is effectively a free vote because Nobody is going to wreck Britain in exchange for the promise of a short term ministerial position.

The consequences the Whips are insignificant in comparison to the consequences of disaster for the UK.

This was always going to happen though, wasn't it? The 'leader' who has spent his entire career rebelling against the party leadership, now telling everyone they better bloody well do as they're told, was always going to be met with a whole lot of "yeah, right... whatever!"

Especially on an issue as huge and divisive as this

Especially on an issue as huge, and divisive as this

I think that's the crux, more so than Corbyn's record. On a finely balanced and insignificant issue people will toe the line. On this? No chance.

Obviously it shouldn't be a 3-line whip. He's just inviting rebellion and handing a perfect opportunity for his opponents to mount a new challenge to him. This time they can at least claim they're rebelling on a point of principle, rather than simply seeking to get rid of him. It's so idiotic I'm beginning to think he's trying to engineer a way out where he can step down without being accused of betraying the membership. He surely would have to step down if another mass shadow cabinet walkout occured. Wouldn't he?

It's so idiotic I'm beginning to think he's trying to engineer a way out

Corbyn can't lose. He genuinely wants out of the EU. If the cost is he loses the leadership then great, he never wanted it in the first place and it's been an utter nightmare for him from day one. Win Win.

I don't think he will be put out of his misery though - he's like Mugabe, he wants to go but his henchmen (the membership in this case) won't let him.

This was always going to happen though, wasn't it? The 'leader' who has spent his entire career rebelling against the party leadership, now telling everyone they better bloody well do as they're told, was always going to be met with a whole lot of "yeah, right... whatever!"

Every vote has been a free vote for Corbs so he could have said "all votes under me a free votes" New Politics etc.

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/27/labour-mp-jo-stevens-quits-shadow-cabinet-over-article-50-vote ]Another one gone. [/url]

She can think it's a "terrible mistake" all she likes but it Brexit is a done deal, just the details to work out and they will be determined by the Government. She would be better served trying to make Labour electable by 2025.

It does look like he is trying hard to jump.
In reality there was lots he could do, make a play for the disaffected, point out what is at stake for them and how they want safe guards to limit what can be don without more consultation. He could be proposing a lot of amendments aimed at the core disillusioned labour vote, he has many options but he will just quietly go away....

Anyone know where Jezza is today? The whole world is kicking off about Trump's muslim ban, our own prime minister is openly being accused of being an appeaser, a million people have signed a petition in less than 24 hours, and the main thing I've heard/seen from the labour party is their former leader sending a tweet out. I presume he's too busy to consider a couple of off the cuff interviews on the news channels?

Monday is jam making day.

It's Vanessa Redgrave's birthday, so they'll be in a front room somewhere, perhaps railing against something and writing banners.