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I still think Binners should stand, right credentials, local businessman, involved in the community, champions the areaHe could be the new David Chaytor
Something to aim for eh B&D! 😉
Unfortunately he's the reason we're saddled with the toxic little Tory we've got. Snout well and truly in the trough in the expenses scandal. James lost to him at the last election by 120 votes, after a recount. Which is why i have to laugh when people say labour needed to march off to the left as their centrist position was 'totally discredited' Labour lost by 12 seats at the last election. And a lot of those seats went to majorities as slim as that. And before that Dave couldn't actually get a majority against Gordon Brown.
And where has this march to the irrelevant leftist fringe got labour? There surely can't be anyone who believes that Corbyn's labour party will be anything other than decimated at the next election, can there?
I seriously lived in hope that Corbyn would tack towards the cenrtre ground (where the votes are) after being elected. When on week one he refused to sing the national anthem, that scuppered any hope that any sense at all would prevail.
Serious question to the cheerleaders on here..... How do they see a general election panning out? I can see labour losing swathes of their 'traditional heartlands' and being reduced to a rump of maybe 100 MPs that would only present constituencies in large cities.
Do you even care? Or is idealogical purity far more important? I suspect to a lot of them, like Corbyn himself, it is
urban leftists
WTF is an urban leftist?
Unfortunately he's the reason we're saddled with the toxic little Tory we've got.
So now it's Corbyn's fault that labour lost the election even though he wasn't leader then and no one knew who he was? This is getting pretty silly.
Its a 'street' leftist innit blud? 😀
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So now it's Corbyn's fault that labour lost the election even though he wasn't leader then and no one knew who he was?
No Daz. Read it again. David Chaytor is the reason. Nowt to do with the beardy messiah
I'd be interested in you answering the question about how you see a general election under Corbyn panning out though
Fire away....
David Chaytor is the reason.
I stand corrected. In my defence I'm hungover and have a cold. My brain isn't capable of detecting subtle plot lines. 🙂
Anyway, the election. I actually agree with you, they're going to lose massively if Corbyn is at the helm when it happens. I don't believe he will be though unless TM goes to the polls early, which she won't. He'll lose though not because his policies are ridiculous, but because he's Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband lost not because of his policies, but because he was Ed Miliband. It doesn't really matter who is leader now anyway. Brexit has changed the landscape so much that the labour party are screwed in any scenario. Jeremy Corbyn is just the poor sod who will carry the can whilst allowing the rest of them to carry on with their fantasies that they would have won if only they were more like the tories.
Labour lost by 12 seats at the last election
Seats won Tories 330 Labour 232
Perhaps i dont have enough crayons to do the maths here can you help me?
Sorry - the Tories have a majority of 12. It'll be 14 after these next 2 by-elections though. Go Jezza! 😕
So how do you see the next election panning out JY? Serious question...? Can you see Corbyn retaining even half those seats?
with your loyal support anything can happen 😉
Clearly the labour party seem hell bent on self destruction
Who you blame is the only thing worthy of discussion - I say worthy because I have low standards 😉
"Who you blame is the only thing worthy of discussion"
Really? Allocating blame is a press obsession, but in reality its futile. We all know who did what, and why. On the his issue, blame is totally subjective and pointless .
WTF is an urban leftist?
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FFS so politics is now boiled down to silly caricatures in a 70s sitcom? It's almost as stupid as the monty python comparisons.
Why not? That's what the politicians seem to be doing at the moment...
caricatures in a 70s sitcom?
90s.
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Has he just nicked a bike? 😉
One might suggest that if you don't want to be compared to caricatures in a 70's sitcom then you shouldn't try to drag the Labour party down to being a 70's sitcom caricature.
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He'll lose though not because his policies are ridiculous,
Marxist Chancellor
Salary cap not applicable to footballers
No clear policy on immigration (the major issue of the day)
Calls terrorists friends and a tragedy OBL was shot
Against police shooting terrorists
Thinks Nuclear submarines should have no nukes
Anti-NATO
Shall I go on ?
Shall I go on ?
What's the point cos we all know most of that is total bollox and you know it. I find it quite heartening really that you have to make shit up and keep repeating lies that have repeatedly been proven to be false as it probably means he's not as crazy as you would like to make out.
No clear policy on immigration (the major red-herring of the day)
FTFY
What's the Tories policy on immigration?
Misguided
I'm not sure there's a word in the English language that sufficiently describes my response to that question.jambalaya - Member
Shall I go on ?
What's the Tories policy on immigration?
Net migration down to the 10's of thousands. No Freedom of movement with the EU.
Bad news to bury ? How about just before Trump's inauguration ? Labour have ended the investigation into anti-semitic behaviour by two members of the OULC (inc it's head I believe) and will take no action. Critism from the Jewish community has been load and firm but of course hardly reported.
What's the point cos we all know most of that is total bollox and you know it. I find it quite heartening really that you have to make shit up and keep repeating lies that have repeatedly been proven to be false as it probably means he's not as crazy as you would like to make out.
That list is all factual, feel free to point out which are lies.
McDonnell said that himself, on video
Corbyn's said that (because they are "only with their club a short time", stop digging jc please stop digging)
Relaunch fiasco around immigration changing speech overnight at the insistence of Abbot
Corbyn's direct words - Hezbollah and Hamas specifically. Similar comments by him and McDonnell re: IRA (McD apologising on QT)
Corbyn's own words in responce to an LK/BBC question
Trident fisaco, Corbyn's "proposal"
Long history of anti-NATO ranting, rally speeches on video
EDIT: on the IRA/Troubles Corbyn and McD have been accused in Parliament of "wanting the other side to win"
If Corbyn makes it anywhere near 2020 GE all of this and more is going to come up again and again, the Tories are biting their lip at present.
Jamby -Net migration down to the 10's of thousands.
That's going to be a problem for at least the company I work for. We have ~25 employees.
About 20% are from outside the UK. Hiring enough people in the UK with the skills we need isn't possible (perhaps thanks to 20 years of terrible education policy from people like Gove, but that's another thread).
So we'll have to do less, and take longer doing it. And struggle to compete therefore with companies without that constraint.
Oh, and the exchequer can kiss goodbye to all those nice income taxes these hated foreigners are bringing in.
Trident fisaco, Corbyn's "proposal"
Seems Corbyn's idea isn't too far from the reality if you read the news today. Except of course we're still spending the money on a system that appears not to work.
It is probably a good thing that we are [s]spending the money on a system that appears not to work[/s] replacing it then.
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Marxist Chancellor
Salary cap not applicable to footballers
No clear policy on immigration (the major issue of the day)
Calls terrorists friends and a tragedy OBL was shot
Against police shooting terrorists
Thinks Nuclear submarines should have no nukes
Anti-NATOShall I go on ?
Before I read who the poster was I thought it was ernie or jy listing the stupid stuff made up to smear JC.
"What's the Tories policy on immigration?"Net migration down to the 10's of thousands.
How's that been going in the last few years?
DrJ see my post above re the sources, mostly direct from the man's mouth. Feel free to give me your interpretation of my list.
It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU, so it's been going very badly. Tories proved you can't control immigration inside the EU and then we voted Leave.
So now can we get migration from the EU down to similar levels of migration from outside the EU?It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU,
Not enough eye rolling available for those 'sources'
nickjb - Member
It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU,
So now can we get migration from the EU down to similar levels of migration from outside the EU?
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So, he manages ( we hope / assume ) to find a seat on a train - a long-trousers, grown-up moment for our Jezza - only to find that, man of the people that he is, the train is full of the wrong sort of Lumpenproletariat:
Still, they do seem to have the measure of the man.
“Get your policies out for the lads”
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In other good news for Labour the Tories are going to give UKIP a pretty clear run at Labour in the Stoke by-election by focusing on Copeland. Clearly a degree of smugness from me as when I posted of a UKIP threat to Labour in the North a few years back I was ridiculed here. Tories so confident they are not challenging in a winable seat. Strategic move threatens Labour in other seats the Tories can't win, let UKIP take Labour down there.
TBH I think that is pretty pathetic by the Tories. The main 3 parties should be fighting ever seat on mainland UK.
In other good news for Labour the Tories are going to give UKIP a pretty clear run at Labour in the Stoke by-election by focusing on Copeland
Makes sense - no point having two nutjobs run for the same seat.
DrJ see my post above re the sources, mostly direct from the man's mouth. Feel free to give me your interpretation of my list.
My interpretation of your list is that it's #alternativefacts that have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times. Period.
It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU, so it's been going very badly. Tories proved you can't control immigration inside the EU and then we voted Leave.
I see. How has the reduction of non-EU immigration been going? Figures plummeting, I suppose?
TBH I think that is pretty pathetic by the Tories. The main 3 parties should be fighting ever seat on mainland UK.
...and in NI, IMHO.
However, I understand why they've done it.
On the most important issues at the moment UKIP and Tory party is pretty much the same. The Hard Brexit just announced by the Maybot comes straight out of a UKIP manifesto.
UKIP wants to privatise the NHS. The Tory's do too, they just don't/can't say so.
Can you envisage a major present Tory policy which UKIP wouldn't support? So to all intents and purposes, they'll have a mother Tory MP in all but name. In fact he's more inline with present tory policy than someone like Anna Sourby or Nicky Morgan.
And of course its yet another nail in the coffin of the Labour Party
Clearly a degree of smugness from me as when I posted of a UKIP threat to Labour in the North a few years back I was ridiculed here.
Not by me. Its probably the only issue on which I've constantly agreed with you. The writing has been on the wall about losing seats to UKIP since the [url= http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/labour-win-heywood-middleton-by-election-7913084 ]Middleton Byelection[/url]
have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times.
Well, that is a nice round number for someone claiming to be on the side of truth.
The Tory's do too,
Do they ? Or do you just want them to, whist they twiddle with the ends of their moustaches, and make pantomime villain noises ?
In the meantime, the conservatives are now more trusted on the NHS than Labour are.
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On the most important issues at the moment UKIP and Tory party is pretty much the same.
I get that, but they really shouldn't be. There are plenty of EU supporting, One Nation tories, who don't align with UKIP at all. To my mind the Tories caving in to UKIP is the equivalent of Labour caving in to the Momentum / Socialist Worker lot. Looks bad for both parties.
Can the Lib Dems start rising from the ashes? (I doubt it with their awful wet leader, but you never know.)
My interpretation of your list is that it's #alternativefacts that have already been shown to be falsehoods a million times. Period.
Let's start with McDonnell, he's on video saying he's a Marxist
Ditto Corbyn on NATO and his suggestion of subs with no nuclear missiles
Video of Corbyn calling Hezbollah friends whilst hosting them at Westminster, a massive PR gain for them
Quote from another MP in Commons speaking about the IRA and Labour leadership
Binners it's essential that the NHS works better with Private Care/Insurers. That's how the other European services work. Labour where going to "save our NHS" with an extra £2bn pa in 2015. That's a joke claim, £2bn doesn't even scratch the surface os what's required
Labour will lose both these seats. Its just a case of how heavily
All the Tories need to do in Copelend is repeat all the statements by CND supporting Corbyn about the nuclear industry. Which is basically what the entire local economy is dependent on. Given his decades of hostility, even if he states he now supports it, nobody will believe him.
Just one more example of his decades of making daft statements, and taking ridiculous sixth-former-esque positions now making him, and by extension the whole labour party, electorally toxic.
If he shows his face up there during the campaign, it'll lead to a huge Tory majority. I bet the local candidate will be pleading with central office for Corbyn not to get involved in any way. Not that it'll make much difference. The damage is already done