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^^^ indeed, one of my pet hates (gig) ... their prime competitve advantage is dodging regulations and not paying taxes. Of course my Californian nephew who did an intern for Uber thinks they are great not least as he got a free hoody 😐
@cranberry brilliant 🙂 chapeau to Guido Fawkes
Reducing Inequality. Just a moderately serious note on Jez2.0 on the hoof policy ...instead of paying a CEO £10m or £20m bonus (lots of employee and employer tax and NI) the company pays a lowly taxed dividend to it's shareholders, most of whom are probably outside the UK 😳
That inexcusably appalling photoshopping has set my OCD right off. I can't even look at it. Whoever did that needs taking outside and given a serious shoeing!!! And I'd be more than happy to oblige
It's crying out for proper artwork ... something modern and minimalist and most definitely not carved into a large peice of stone.
@dazh no one has a salary of £70m a year. A senior exec may well nave a salary of £5m plus performance related bonus or share awards or dividends on share awards. People like Martin Sorrell founded his business, why not make a bundle from starting and building a fabulously successful company. What has Corbyn got against people like Mark Zuckerberg ?
Corbyn's shadow work and pensions secretary distancing herself from the leader's remarks whilst other ex advisers are even more harsh "idiotic"
All this when it was supposed to be the big rebrand day. Nothing here reminds me of Monty Python at all. Definitely not.
I have an idea for Corbyn
[b]Stick to Twitter, it's only 140 characters and someone else can type them in for you[/b]
A bit like Trump?
'twas a deliberate comparison 🙂
What seemed a hopless cause turned into a winner and Corbyn is trying to position himself as the anti-establishment candidate as did The Donald.
It is worth considering
A Labour MP was just interviewed on five live. Asked what the Labour Party's policy now is on immigration, given that Jezza managed to offer two completely contradictory stances within one sentence....
I'm paraphrasing slightly, but basically....
"I haven't got a *ing clue. Let us know if you can find out, would you"
Then asked about the maximum wage concept....
"I haven't got a *ing clue. First any of us have heard about it"
The relaunch is going well then...
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For once (maybe more times) I'm with Jamba on this, totally unworkable (£350k for example is not even 'Board' money at a decent-size corporate) and no doubt totally off the 'hoof'.
FWIW there use to be a maximum wage for footballers. My Grandad played in the 1st Division in the 30's and was paid a maximum by the club and then lots of cash in envelopes. Bought a few houses and the like plus a pub with it, not sure how he 'washed' it though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_wage
Quality story. Plenty of similar things when Rugby was an "amateur" game too.
Huffington Post suggests the idea / not-a-policy has been abandonned already
Jeremy Corbyn ditched his support for a maximum wage cap on Tuesday afternoon, just hours after first announcing it.
Welcome to 2017 🙂
A bit like Trump?
Sorry, but no, not at all.
Trump has run a business or two
He has been successful
He has created jobs
...and has therefore contributed to society
He has been elected to power
For Jeremy it has all been downhill since he failed to complete his HND in Trade Union Studies - a life of failure, stuck re-losing the battles that he lost in the 70's and 80's.
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not nice kicking a man when he is down but this was funny
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/10/corbyn-brexit-high-pay-public-sector
Corbyn tries Trump tactic of saying anything that comes into his head
Funny indeed. Long may it continue.
There was little danger of anyone misinterpreting that, because to do that would have involved the possibility of someone interpreting it correctly. Or at all.
Indeed. How the **** can you stray off (your own) message within one sentence. Its not like he's been busy doing anything else, is it? Surely to christ he could have decided a position and stuck to it for more than 10 minutes? FFS?!! He's like a child with attention deficit disorder!
Its an absolute tragedy. For everyone involved. There is now a complete vacuum at the heart of politics where the opposition should be, at one of those most crucial junctures in modern British history. All while this clown muses to himself out loud, in front of the media. And that is just not healthy in a democracy
Given todays utter and complete shambles, I think my previous estimate of Labour being reduced to 100 seats is looking wildly optimistic. nobody in their right mind (so that excludes Momentum members, obvs) would vote for him to run a stall at a village fete, never mind the country
If I was the Maybot, having witnessed todays much heralded [s]comedy[/s] relaunch, I'd call an election tomorrow. You can bet your arse that that discussion is presently being had at Number 10
Trump has run a business or two
He has been successful
He has created jobs
...and has therefore contributed to society
So many plot holes in that storyline it's hard to know where to begin!
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If I was the Maybot, having witnessed todays much heralded comedy relaunch, I'd call an election tomorrow.
I hope she does. I'd like to see Corbyn fight an election. It's what he's best at, and against a soulless stuttering soundbite regurgitator like May he may even surprise a lot of people (that doesn't mean I think he'll win BTW). If we have to wait til 2020 we've got 2 more years of Corbyn trying and failing to be a media savvy politician with him probably stepping aside when it's too late. She won't though, because she's more of a ditherer than Gordon Brown was.
I wonder why Jezza didnt check the ONS data today before he mentioned inequality?
Is this the real trump/brexshit approach of ignoring experts and data or does he just not care about saying things that are incorrect?
It's what he's best at
He's only ever fought a safe Labour seat. We know he likes to preech to the converted. His performance in the Referendum showed he has no clue how to fight a national campaign. I very much doubt Labour have ever used Corbyn in a GE campaign, throughout his career he's never been on message 😉
He's only ever fought a safe Labour seat.
Yes of course, I'd forgotten that he was anointed labour leader against no competition. How forgetful of me!
Stop all this defeatist talk, when Corbyn wins the forth coming election you'll all be dancing.
I wonder why Jezza didnt check the ONS data today before he mentioned inequality?
He probably did and given the commentary at BBC:
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38570809 ]Source[/url]There are caveats around these figures - they are based on surveys, so there is a margin of error, and it is particularly difficult to get survey responses from people at the top of the income distribution.
Decided that the numbers were as reliable as some of our (STW) right-wing sympathisers facts. 😉
I think you underestimate Corbyn. I completely misunderstood this video
At the end Corbyn asks a question. "There is nothing wrong with that, is there?". Now this morning I just thought that this was him exhibiting some prickliness when being pressed on an issue, but I underestimated him, it was a classic double bluff - he was actually asking a question. The interviewer answered No. But our Jeremy is no fool, he knows anyone working for the evil Murdoch empire is hard wired to mislead honest servants of the people such as himself. He immediately knew the policy was a problem, because they said it wasn't, and therefore withdrew it in the afternoon. This is the guileful and decisive leadership the country needs.
Has anyone blamed the media yet today?
Right now this is a very good idea...
http://www.libdems.org.uk/membership-faqs
@dazh the leadership election was by very definition the faithful including those that paid £3 to vote for him
Laura K's blog, final paragragph
As 2017 begins, Mr Corbyn's internal party critics will sigh, that still as the world changes around him, Mr Corbyn stays in his comfort zone, in the hope that eventually, more members of the public will join him there.
So much for the grand relaunch
Flashy - there was some trot on the news before blaming the Blairites! 🙂
@dazh the leadership election was by very definition the faithful including those that paid £3 to vote for him
Ermm... I am not *too* sure how faithful I was to the Labour cause when I voted.
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I see that the Momentum are tearing themselves apart again.
Splitters.
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I am not *too* sure how faithful I was to the Labour cause when I voted.
This thread has become a tory circle jerk. It used to have some interesting discussion on it but I see we're now back to tory idiots patting themselves on the back at how clever they are at supposedly subverting the labour party. At least it reinforces my general opinion of you lot.
dazh we'd love to see some input from Junky etc but they seem to have abandoned both Corbyn and this thread. There is of course a sense from us of "told you so", in fact on steriods as Corbyn has turned into an even bigger fiasco than we thought. Labour needs to get a grip or he and Momentum are going to destroy the party as an electoral force
@cranberry 🙂 I was being rather tongue in cheek, I looked into voting but decided I'd keep my £3 as Corbyn was so far ahead - my rationale was "I wish the British electorate to have the chance to vote on a true left wing agenda to be laid out by Jeremy Corbyn"
There is of course a sense from us of "told you so"
Are you so naive or arrogant to think labour supporters are unaware of the failings of Corbyn? I've forgotten how many times I've said it, but what's going on is not about him. Yes there are some stupid people indulging in some sort cult of personality, but they're in a tiny fringe minority. The majority know that it's about something much bigger. It's funny because the people most obsessed with him seem to be you lot.
Labour needs to get a grip or he and Momentum are going to destroy the party as an electoral force
Labour were already on the road to destruction as an electoral force before Corbyn. That's why they are where they are now. Corbyn is merely an exercise in readjusting and realigning the party away from it's previous failing strategy. Now that previously centre-right candidates are voicing support for core labour principles again (anti-austerity, pro-redistribution, pro-workers rights), I'd say he's been pretty successful in that.
T-10 for PMQ
C'mon Jezza mate, up your game....
He wasn't too bad today. Fact remains Labour promised far less money for the NHS than did Cameron.
I missed it 😳 Got the time wrong
dazh, yes you are right most Labour MPs recognise he is a disaster and I can well believe most voters think the same. It is however a comment worthy rolling disaster as far as I am concerned
Labour couod have picked David not Ed and reacted to 2010 and 2015 by actually listening to what voters where telling them. The world has moved tightwards as normally happens in times of economic stress. The stress is going to get worse and imo so is the shift in the voter base.
Labour couod have picked David not Ed
Wouldn't have got them anywhere, David M was as bad, if not worse, at politics as his brother.
It's funny because the people most obsessed with him seem to be you lot.
That's not a surprise, he is currently their greatest political asset.
Labour couod have picked David not Ed and reacted to 2010 and 2015 by actually listening to what voters where telling them. The world has moved tightwards as normally happens in times of economic stress. The stress is going to get worse and imo so is the shift in the voter base.
As always you're big on sweeping statements and small on evidence. Apart from pointless whataboutery, there's no evidence D Miliband would have been any more successful than his brother. What voters were saying in the last two elections is highly debatable as evidenced by the brexit vote. Established wisdom has always been that the economy drives voting intentions, but that has been demolishd by brexit. And as for the world moving rightwards in times of economic stress, there are plenty of examples yes, but also plenty examples of the opposite happening.
You're right on one thing though, the economic stress is going to get worse, due to brexit (glad you're finally admitting this BTW!), Trump and globalisation. The outcome of this remains to be seen though.
That's not a surprise, he is currently their greatest political asset.
Yes, probably. It also shows that this could be the source of the tories future defeat. They currently reek of complacency and hubris. Brexit is the perfect example, and it will come back to bite them. The labour party is neither as weak or incompetent as everyone is currently making them out to be. The biggest barrier to their eventual revival is not Corbyn, but their ability to move on from outdated and failed New Labour stategy, and there are signs that they are finally doing that.
Fact remains Labour promised far less money for the NHS than did Cameron
Fact remains the money was conditional of finding 22bn of "savings", so does not represent a big wad of free cash.
He wasn't too bad today. Fact remains Labour promised far less money for the NHS than did Cameron.
No, jambafact.
NHS spending in 2009: 8.8% GDP
NHS spending in 2015: 6.6% GDP
Ransos, I am sure that you have checked trends in the denominator and numerator in those figures?
@ransos we don't spend nearly enough on Healthcare, see the other thread. Our gap comes from low spending on private health care. Our (unique) approach does not integrate state and private well at all.
Newsnight, aside from Baroness Shami having gone Full Politician (Must not answer question. Must not answer question) this backdrop amused the hell out of me
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Interview for those who missed it
My favourite graphic, get used to it as I'll be posting it everytime people mention income inequality (better now than under 13 years of Labour)
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Supposedly it was Diane Abbott who pursueded Corbyn to change his stance on immigration despite the speech and policy having been agreed as part of the re-launch