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The opposition story for the media yesterday was the Corbyn letter to the Cabinet Sec
The one where, after letting the date slip to call a VONC in the new government to get an election before we leave, when other party leaders and resigning government ministers were calling for a vote, he then writes a letter seeking clarification on what will now happen when the election is too late.
I honestly don’t know if this is a politically astute plan to gain power after a No Deal Brexit, or just utterly inept. You choose. Either way, I’m not voting Labour again now ‘till he and his Straight Left back room men have been moved on. No policy shift will be enough if they have enabled No Deal, whether by design or ineptitude.
But weak economy is a Govt story not an opposition one – its usual to lead with a Govt spokesperson and follow up with expert analysis.
As someone who has worked in a national media newsroom, this depends on a number of factors, including the thrust of the government response, and the availability (and rank) of an opposition spokesman. So if the Shadow Chancellor's team was actively trying to get him involved in the package for the One, Six or Ten, I'd expect him to be accommodated at some point. Even if he didn't make the main bulletin package, would he not be interviewed for the News Channel?
The suggestion that no-one was available for C4N implies a more convincing reason that no interview was conducted or aired.
Kelvin - I want commenting on the content of the letter just that it was the lead story overnight into Thursday morning. This was then overtaken by slowing economy then power outage.
The general point I was making is the relentless one-eyed posting on this thread - Labour does something that gets loads of media - it's shit. The Govt is ****ing up the economy and Labour isn't leading the debate - it's shit.
Where are the posts on the Johnson thread about the complete silence from Govt on the power outages yesterday?
There were earlier jokey posts about missing THM and the other right wing posters. I do actually miss them because a range of views - even those which I very much oppose - is healthy.
But these forums have become subject to an orthodoxy where anyone who holds views that are too left or too right, offers any sort of nuanced view on Brexit, any sort support for either main party is pilloried and mocked.
I know this intolerance comes out of a sense of disenfranchisement from those in the middle ground who are used to politics orbiting tight to their view of the world. I think lots of people who are used to a great deal of personal agency are not used to feeling of impotence and are venting but it doesn't exactly make for great debate or reading
Where are the posts on the Johnson thread about the complete silence from Govt on the power outages yesterday?
They are probably waiting for the "wouldn't happen if it was nationalised" quote from JC first
The actual incident is going to be investigated by the relevant agencies in detail, the way the grid operates may need to be updated but fundamentally everything did what it was supposed to. Whaley Bridge is a an order of magnitude more significant.
B'n'D I think a failure (albeit temporary) of national infrastructure is pretty important - but a photo-op looking concerned at at Whaley Bridge too good for Johnson and Corbyn to pass up!
any sort support for either main party is pilloried and mocked.
Maybe that’s because they are both sh1t?
any sort support for either main party is pilloried and mocked.
I voted for one of those main parties at the last election. So feel free to mock my support. Sorry if I’m unimpressed with Corbyn’s work since then. I won’t apologise for having never considered Johnson as someone I would like to run my country though… I wouldn’t want him running my local school, or GP service, or even the local pub… never mind the government.
Oh, and feel free to post links to Corbyn standing up for us against the shift to the right and towards the hardest possible Brexit… and you could also explain why he didn’t call a vote as regards the new government in time for an election to be held before our exit date. I mean, we’ve had years of the answer to the Brexit conundrum being “we want a general election so that we can have a Labour government to sort this out” and then, at the last minute… nothing… no vote even when other party leaders, and resigning government ministers, are calling for one. Now it’s probably too late for that pre-Brexit election, isn’t it?
and you could also explain why he didn’t call a vote as regards the new government in time for an election to be held before our exit date.
He tried a vote of no confidence and it failed. I assume that he had taken soundings and knew another would fail. Labour also tried to take control of the parliamentary proceedures to stop brexit, 18 labour mps did not support it hence it failed.
To get a VONC thru requires tories to rebel. At this point they will not - they will only do so if its desparate.
To get a VONC thru requires tories to rebel. At this point they will not – they will only do so if its desparate.
There’s no shortage of rebel tories. It’s the large number of labour mps that don’t want to hand Corbyn the keys to the country that are his problem.
There’s no shortage of rebel tories.
And yet not a single one vote against their own government/PM in the last VONC in January.
It’s the large number of labour mps that don’t want to hand Corbyn the keys to the country that are his problem.
And yet not a single one voted with the government/PM in the last VONC in January.
It’s the large number of labour mps that don’t want to hand Corbyn the keys to the country that are his problem.
But I thought the suspicion that labour centrists preferred a Tory govt to a Corbyn one was the product of 6th form commie paranoia?
in January
Er… we know about back then, what about when government ministers resigned, and put one of their number forward to ask the speaker for a vote… but were told by the speaker that the Leader Of The Opposition must make the call… why didn’t he? THIS government has not faced a VONC, and members of the LAST government were not only ready to vote against it, but were calling for a vote themselves. So why didn’t Corbyn try, when it was the last and best chance to get an election before we are due to leave?
He tried a vote of no confidence and it failed
in January
Er… we know about back then, what about when government ministers resigned, and put one of their number forward to ask the speaker for a vote… but were told by the speaker that the Leader Of The Opposition must make the call… why didn’t he? THIS government has not faced a VONC, and members of the LAST government were not only ready to vote against it, but were calling for a vote themselves. So why didn’t Corbyn try, when it was the last and best chance to get an election before we are due to leave?
So why didn’t Corbyn try, when it was the last and best chance to get an election before we are due to leave?
No doubt because these 'rebellious' Tories would be more concerned about the damage supporting a VONC would do to their party than doing the right thing for the country. Tories have a long history of putting party allegiance first and foremost.
Also, supporting a VONC could (would?) be construed by local Conservative Party members and constituency voters as supporting Corbyn, which would likely be career suicide for said MPs. You only have to see how much Pro-EU Tories are being hounded by their local parties to have an idea of what could happen.
Ultimately though, with the Confidence and Supply deal with the DUP the Tories only need to 3 line whip (with the threat of losing the whip if MPs abstain) to fend off a VONC.
So without being able guarantee a VONC being upheld is it sensible to persue one? A failed VONC is in effect a vote of confidence, and what we definitely don't need is an emboldened Boris Johnson and ERG.
It's easy to say "he should call a VONC" but few seem to have considered the outcome if its unsuccessful.
Sooty you’re forgetting about the magic button in ‘The Bunker’, guarded 24/7 by ‘The Cabal’, for fear that Jezza might betray his 6th form acolytes by ignoring the huge ‘DO NOT PRESS’ sign.
career suicide for said MPs
Well, resigning from the government, and calling for a vote against the new Johnson lead one, was probably career suicide anyway… so you could have expected those ex-ministers that did that would have been new votes against the new PM that were for the last one in January, at the least. All Conservative MPs against No Deal will have their cards marked now anyway, with their local parties now full of new Brexit First BlueKIP members.
A failed VONC is in effect a vote of confidence, and what we definitely don’t need is an emboldened Boris Johnson and ERG.
LoL.
Johnson & The ERG now have Parliament by the testicles. They can’t/won’t vote against him, and for an election, now… because the time to do that and not end up with a rudderless UK leaving with No Deal has now passed. Strategic mistake by Corbyn and his team, or part of a plan? You decide. Either way, I’m never voting for him again.
Can you blame Corbyn if no “decent journalists” want to interview him?
there are several LBC journalists that aren't allowed to interview Corbyn, James O'Brien being one I think.
there are several LBC journalists
and what about "decent journalists"
I’m never voting for him again.
You’re never voting for Corbyn (not that you did anyway unless you live in Islington) because he has failed to bring down the government and stop brexit? I might never vote for him again because he has failed to create world peace and end global poverty.
Anything else you want to blame him for not doing?Saving the rainforests? Singlehandedly reversing climate change? Putting humans on Mars? He’s such a bloody disappointment!
and what about “decent journalists”
Morning Star, Novara and The Canary, amirite comrade?
Putting humans on Mars?
While your strawmen are fun, any chance of addressing the failings that many people who Labour need voting for them have seen in Corbyn (even if you consider them mistaken) over the last few years, and especially in the last few months?
"decent journalists" I'd rather put politicians in front of difficult journalists irrespective of whether that journalist has a reputation for being on their side or not. Politicians aught to be publicly challenged & made uncomfortable etc., they get paid an enormous wage to do what, post up some inane garbage on Twitter. Ugh.
Avoid being questioned, and post pictures of cats on Twitter instead.
I was thinking Eddie Mair would be a good shout for interview purposes (I know he's probably classed as a presenter rather than journalist). Not going to happen though is it.
An update on today’s concerns from the bunker...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1160480451066306560?s=21
Finger on the pulse of the nation, as ever...
Finger on the pulse of the nation, as ever…
Actually yes. Try looking outside of your own very narrow, privileged and incredibly biased viewpoint.
...But thousands of miles away from the verdant valleys and stunning mountain-top scenery that have led some to describe Kashmir as “paradise on Earth”, towns and cities across Britain are also feeling the repercussions.
Of the 1.1 million British ****stanis, more than one million originate from the part of Kashmir governed by ****stan
While there are no official figures for the number of Indian Kashmiris in Britain, the overall British Indian community numbers almost 1.4 million and support for India’s position is strong among some sections...
...“It’s a very sensitive issue for both communities and I’m worried that it could damage relations between the two. We have to make sure that whatever we do, it does not spill over into unrest or hatred between British Indians and ****stanis,”...
...On Thursday, which is India’s independence day, a big demonstration is planned by pro-Kashmir groups outside the Indian High Commission in central London
A counter demonstration is scheduled by British supporters of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata party (BJP). A number of other events are also set to take place to draw attention to the Kashmir issue over the coming weeks while leading British ****stani politicians have written to the Foreign Office and the UN calling for action against India over its current actions....
As someone who works in Leicester, a city with a large Indian and ****stani community and as someone who works with nurses from both communities this is a concern and attention rightly needs to be drawn to it.
Brexit isn't the only topic in town and for someone who seems so vocal about being part of a larger international community its funny how you seem to restrict it to bits of the world full of people who look more like you.
Feel free to resort to type and post something 'witty' like calling Corbyn "magic grandad", mentioning his allotment or some other tedious line you've beaten to death when you've **** all off any worth to actually say.
Could you talk me through how supporting a policy (Red-unicorn Brexit) which massively diminishes this countries influence and makes us an international diplomatic irrelevance fits in with his supposed internationalist views
Because to the cynic it just looks like more distractionist placard-waving
Maybe he could start an online petition?
There you go. Feel better?
Sad fact is that you are as myopic and single issue obsessed as any Brexiteers you so love to pour scorn on, and your complete lack of understanding as to why potential conflict in Kashmir has a direct impact on the UK (and thus should be addressed by our politicians) clearly reinforces this.
Edited to add (perhaps you should try adding this when you changed a post?):
And now you're flopping around, desperately trying to disguise the fact your 'internationalism' is very much confined to European-centric bigotry.
Erm... ok, comrade
Maybe I need to work on my post-colonial guilt complex?
So, you’d rather not talk me through the inherently contradictory position of expressing concern about Kashmir, while proposing policies that would hugely diminish this countries ability to actually do anything about it?
Fair enough. Makes perfect sense.
Just more placard-waving, then?
Maybe I need to work on my post-colonial guilt complex?
And there you go again.
It's not about post-Colonial guilt, it's about addressing a concern/potential conflict that has a direct impact on a large amount of the UK population.
Due to the large ****stani and Indian populations in the UK this country has a diplomatic voice that (I'd argue) is equally as strong, irrespective of EU membership, in this specific case. Through raising the profile of this conflict and by engaging with ****stani and Indian community leaders within the UK so-called 'soft diplomacy' can occur.
I'm Pro-EU but you're way off with your myopic view that this isn't an equally (and for many of the the UK's population more) important issue to be raised.
As I previously stated, the EU isn't the only game in town.
It is.
Everything else is so hugely impacted by it.
It’s that simple.
The irony of the situation is that Corbyn’s viewpoint on the biggest issue of the day is essentially the same backwards-gazing, sepia-tinted one as Bill Cash, Mark Francois and the neo-colonialists, whose ‘Make Britain Great Again’ worldview he has spent the last 3 years facilitating, and looks all set to continue to do so
There’s nothing Internationalist about it. Quite the opposite.
It isn't
It’s that simple.
Brexit has been made a bigger deal than it actually is to the majority of peoples lives and most wouldn't notice whether we are in the EU or out when it comes down to it (impact of leaving aside)
No hilarious Monty Python picture for a while, can you only use them 10 times each?
You think it’ll make no difference, either way?
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans! What planet are you beardy messiah worshippers on?
I’ll remind you how unimportant it is on the 1st November when the pound has tanked, the good Friday agreement hangs in the balance and the country is in chaos, and probably remind you that Corbyn facilitated this far-right lunacy every step of the way.
Then we can all sit back and watch a newly sovereign right wing government tear up workers rights, the welfare state and environmental standards and set about privatising the NHS
Because that will be just brilliant, won’t it?
But as long as the lefties get to sit back and revel in their self-indulgent ideological purity...
any chance of addressing the failings
Nope. You've Just said you won’t vote for him because he failed to bring down the govt before the recess, when to anyone who isn’t living in fantasyland knows there was zero chance of that happening so it’s impossible to persuade you when when you refuse to engage with the facts and instead argue from an entirely imaginary viewpoint.
Actually, let’s do a deal, i’ll Tell you why you should vote labour (not that I haven’t already) if you tell me how the Lib Dem’s can realistically stop brexit.
Brexit has been made a bigger deal than it actually is to the majority of peoples lives...
Indeed.
Unfortunately 'binners' is making that mistake that many in the navel-gazing middle class do; making assumptions about the world based on what affects them as individuals, and then patronisingly presenting their own opinion on behalf of folks not a 'learned' as them.
The vast majority of people probably don't care that 'binners' and his ilk might have to get a visa for their holidays in Provence, nor that the wholesale price of quinoa may rise or that house prices may take a hit in the Home Counties.
Many of my colleagues are quite concerned about the increasing tension around Kashmir, for instance, as are many of our patients and their families.
‘binners’ and his ilk might have to get a visa for their holidays in Provence,
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Sooty - I suspect the noble Brexit voters don't give much of a **** about Kashmir. I might be wrong though.
Hate to disappoint you comrade, but i’m Northern working class scum and I live in east lancs, with a huge ethnic population
I know a fraud when I see one though
What I do know is that Brexit is a *ing site more important than Kashmir!
Maybe not for the leadership of the Labour Party, who given your present tone of attack all have (relatively) enormous salaries and live in Islington
Nice to be able to sit back and self-righteously lecture people on socialist purity when you’re on 130 grand a year and whatever you’re trousering off Russia Today and Iranian TV, and you’ve been pulling 70 grand a year for 30 odd years for doing the sum total of * all
You know the People’s Poet has a personal worth of a few million quid, right?
Hurray for socialism!
What I do know is that Brexit is a ****ing site more important than Kashmir!
Palestine, though...wave those flags comrades!
It is quite sad how the filthy rich architects of this far right takeover, have so successfully managed to label those who actually care, as quinoa eating elites.
It is celebrating stupidity, while sneering at actually thinking about the problems, had enough of experts why not just start burning books.
Maybe not for the leadership of the Labour Party, who given your present tone of attack all have (relatively) enormous salaries and live in Islington
Have you ever been to Islington? You do know there are two very distinct parts to it.
The Blair, Cameron and co area vs the rest which, frankly, is a tad of a shithole.
Whilst you were looking through Corbyns tweets what did you think about the letter to the Cabinet Secretary which tries to address the call election and drop out of the EU whilst waiting trick?
Sooty – I suspect the noble Brexit voters don’t give much of a **** about Kashmir. I might be wrong though.
I'm sure they don't, but that's not the point I'm making.
The assumption that Brexit is first and foremost in everyone's mind is patently false, regardless of the huge impact it will have.
He wrote a letter
Well, **** me!
And there’s me saying he was useless
And he immediately tweeted (or got somebody else to do it for him) to say that he had
Back to the allotment for another week...
Unless there’s a miners gala in Rotherham...
I assume you know the difference between the "most important" and "the only".
Should politics only reference Brexit to exclusion of all else?
He wrote a letter
You do know how this sort of things work dont you? Start with a letter and then escalate from there. Its not something the cabinet secretary can ignore..
What do you think is going to be the civil service response and the next play?
if you tell me how the Lib Dem’s can realistically stop brexit
Realistically? They can’t. But Labour still won’t get my vote, or millions of others, now that Corbyn has helped us get into the hole that we will be in come the Autumn… yes, not just failed to oppose… helped. We will use our vote elsewhere. Will it stop Brexit? Very unlikely. But will we reward Corbyn for what he as done by making him PM? No. Labour under Corbyn is now all about taking power in the wake of Brexit. Not with my help. I hope that other parties become better represented in parliament, but I know realistically that none of them will become one of the two largest parties. In our seat, as if happens, I hope the LibDems stand aside for the Greens, where my vote will then go. Post Brexit, Labour need to lose the Straight Left team (and Corbyn) it they want to be trusted again.
But that’s what’s happened
Government has ceased to function for anything else other than Brexit
You do realise this is like saying, during the Normandy landings, that there’s a lot of other important stuff going on other than the war?
So, you’d rather not talk me through the inherently contradictory position of expressing concern about Kashmir, while proposing policies that would hugely diminish this countries ability to actually do anything about it?
"hugely diminish" utter bullshit
The response from the Cabinet Secretary will probably be that is is MPs and the Speaker/Clerks/Parly counsel that determine what are the limits of Fixed Parly Act.
But the letter did lead on the evening news and the following breakfast and highlights the potentially undemocratic tactics that Johnson may use
You do realise this is like saying, during the Normandy landings, that there’s a lot of other important stuff going on other than the war?
Yep just like that ROFL
“hugely diminish” utter bullshit
Hmm… not what diplomats (ours and those that work for India) are saying.
Brilliant!
Dominic Cummings is getting ready to tear up the British constitution to push through a no deal Brexit and Jeremy wrote a letter.
And we’re meant to be congratulating him for this are we?
Maybe we could all get together for a rousing rendition of ‘OOOOOOOH JEREMY COOOOORBYN’?
Seems a bit 2017 though, don’t you think?
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If you’re going to do that, can you sort out the alignment of your text, please?
Otherwise, you’re going to really, really upset me!
Actually the prospect of two nuclear armed countries who *ing hate each other going to war over a region of the world they both claim as their own is nothing to worry about. The prospect of millions of deaths and the economic and environmental shock caused by a nuclear exchange on the Indian subcontinent, and the potential for it to drag in other regional powers such as China, Russia and Iran pales into insignificance compared to how much the E.U. might charge us to export British beef and very important issues about fishing rights and subsidies to a few sheep farmers in Wales.
I joke of course but really this highlights the arrogance of the remain argument. Sooty is right, a huge number of people, mostly at the lower end of the income spectrum don’t give a flying * about trade policy, immigration rights and regulatory alignment.
But they do care about Kashmir?
What’s their take on Venezuela?
As an aside, what do you Corbynites, who think that Blair should be on trial for war crimes over Iraq suggest we do about Kashmir?
Will some more Tweets do the trick, do you think?
Maybe a strongly worded letter?
What’s their take on Venezuela?
Yawn. That great - not particularly socialist country that the Daily Mail et al like to "trot" out as great evidence in support of capitalism - which failed under capitalism.
Actually the prospect of two nuclear armed countries who ****ing hate each other going to war over a region of the world they both claim as their own is nothing to worry about.
A massive reduction in population and plunging us into a nuclear winter?
Sounds like a green wet dream.
Will some more Tweets do the trick, do you think?
Maybe a strongly worded letter?
Let's get tough. The time for talking is over. Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit them hard and hit them fast with a major -- and I mean major -- leaflet campaign, and while they're reeling from that, we'd follow up with a whist drive, a car boot sale, some street theatre and possibly even some benefit concerts. OK? Now, if that's not enough, I'm sorry, it's time for the T-shirts.
It’s the placards they fear more than anything!
Unless we go nuclear...
THE ONLINE PETITION!
Now, if that’s not enough, I’m sorry, it’s time for the T-shirts.
The libdems are being unleashed?
Dominic Cummings is getting ready to tear up the British constitution to push through a no deal Brexit and Jeremy wrote a letter.
So how do you suggest he addresses this ripping up of the constitution?
Lets have a sensible thought through argument from you showing that you actually understand the factors at play.
I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government - cos thats what voting lib dem gets you
Its cutting your nose of to spite your face.
I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government – cos thats what voting lib dem gets you
If you vote labour you get communists. Nobody wants that.
To
Try
And
Stop
Brexit
There that wasn't so hard, was it
It’s not complicated
I’ll just vote for a party that doesn’t want to **** my kids future up, thanks.
So not the Labour Party then
I’ll just vote for a party that doesn’t want to **** my kids future up, thanks.
So you'll vote Lib Dem, which effectively means voting Tory, as thats what you'll likely get if a whole load of other politically illiterate 'moderates' follow your stunning example of self-abuse.
Yeah, you show those Tories! Punish them for what they've done by effectively voting them back in. I'm sure your kids would forgive you one day.
I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government – cos thats what voting lib dem gets you
Is this based on simple parliamentary mathematics preventing a Labour majority or your argument that voting Lib Dem would bring about some sort of Lib/Tory pact?
Lib dems have ruled out a deal with labour or snp - so that leave tories as their first choice - and ~Swinson is far closer to the tories than to labour. She sits politically where the tories were a few years ago.
As I siad before - its obvious Swinson prefers tories to labour and you guys are cutting your nose off to spite your face voting tory lite to get a tory government.
politically illiterate ‘moderates’
Here comes the kinder, gentler, politics.
Personally, I've haven't supported the Liberals since their shameful association with the Bandbox plot of 1710. Vote Whig, get Tory.
Lib dems have ruled out a deal with labour or snp – so that leave tories as their first choice
That's not really believable.
Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?
Not to mention that having been screwed over by the Tories last time around, they might be a bit wary of them now.
Who are they going to work with then? they have ruled out two of the biggest 3 parties and Swinson will not say that she will not work with the tories.
Why would they do it? ~to get another sniff of power. Johnson will accept a second referendum as the price to be in power
Given that the lib dems will not work with either labour or SNP then its either the tories or nothing - and they will not get enough MPS do to anything without being in coalition
As above - if the numbers stack up that another lib / tory coalition would work then thats what it will be.
You have my offer of a forfeit if I am wrong 😉
Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?
Why would they support any party in favour of Brexit?
If the GE is post-Brexit then their choices are perhaps clearer.
If the election is pre-brexit, then assuming you are anti-brexit then it's a no brainer to vote for labour if you are in a seat where they are the second party. Otherwise all you do is guarantee no deal and Boris Johnson for another 5 years, rather than having the opportunity to stop brexit via a new referendum.
If the election is post-brexit you have the choice of a govt in a no deal scenario driven by the idealouges who created it and want to dismantle the welfare state, or the choice of a govt who will bring in a raft of radical anti-neoliberal policies to redress the balance of the past 40 years.
In both cases it's a simple choice. Jeremy Corbyn with his transformative pro-NHS, pro-Welfare State, pro-investment policies, or Boris Johnson and his US Wild West tax-haven free for all. There is no 3rd option.
If the election is pre-brexit, then assuming you are anti-brexit then it’s a no brainer to vote for labour
Why would an anti-Brexit voter choose a party in favour of Brexit and which HAS NOT promised a no-Brexit option in any referendum?
That’s not really believable.
Probably worth reading/listening to the original source rather than a very one sided and leading misquote of it.
if you tell me how the Lib Dem’s can realistically stop brexit
They don't have a big "stop Brexit" button like Jeremy apparently has but refuses to use but they can steer the other parties. Much like ukip threatened to take votes and seats from the Tories which is how we arguably got in this mess in the first place. Hopefully a similar threat from an anti Brexit party will drive policy for the others
Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?
If history has taught us anything about the Lib Dems, that gleefully jumped into bed with the Tories previously, its that even core beliefs are expendable if it means a sniff of governmental power. Swinson's voting record speaks for itself.
Not to mention that having been screwed over by the Tories last time around, they might be a bit wary of them now.
You like to think so but the voting records of the few Lib Dems left in Westminster hardly speaks of a party carving their own groove, rather one that has remained fairly loyal to its previous masters.
The Lib Dems in their current form are centre-right neoliberals, and the Conservative Party, outside of the ERG, still contains a fair few centre-right neoliberals. The natural bed fellows of the Lib Dems, given all the evidence they themselves present, are still the Conservatives.
Vote yellow, get blue is as likely now as it was at any point previously. Sadly the politically naive/illiterate folks who have apparently jumped ship from Labour to support the Lib Dems are either too stubborn to admit this or are happy with this prospect.
But you know, Corbyn...mutter mutter...allotment...mutter mutter...Czech spy...mutter mutter...6th formers...mutter mutter...etc.
But you know, Corbyn…mutter mutter…allotment…mutter mutter…Czech spy…mutter mutter…6th formers…mutter mutter…etc.
Which is why I asked the question a few pages back... Is Corbyn so tainted (unfairly or otherwise) that it would be best for the Labour Party for him to step aside?