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Yunki if you don't mind me saying that's very polarised thinking
That is not what I said I said businesses do exist to make a profit - are you disagreeing? are you saying they are set up to not make a profit- you sure you wish to argue that ? What I said is still self evidently true so true that you even agree with me despite moaning first - an interesting debating tactit- daft but interesting.unky 'twas you who said business should exist to make no money/profit and/or all profits should be donated to charity. It really is that sort of thinking which underlies your and many Corbynisats economic thinking.
As ninfan says why take all that risk to start a business when there is no reward other than wages which you could get paid if you just worked for someone else ?
FFS you attack me then agree with me:roll:
I am neither saying whether i agree nor whether i disagree with it I made a statement of fact- why you RW disagree with me whilst agreeing with me is lost on me.
Its (profit = evil) core to the lefties belief that many businesses should be state run as somehow Government ownership is like a massive non-profit utopian solution.
Why do folk make up shit no one said and then attack that ?
It's patently bollix as has been shown again and again politicians are terrible at running businesses not least as so few of them have ever worked in one for any length of time or with any notable success.
It really depends where you look - as ninfan also noted 50% of starts up fail so it looks like running a business is a bit tricky and neither state nor private ownership magically makes the business profitable. You can only look at one side if you like and use massively biased samples to make your point but its a bit silly- i assume that means you will continue
Businesses are generally set up for reasons like;
the founder wants to make a living
the founder has a good idea and wants to put it into practice
the founder wants a different lifestyle (e.g. like living in the mountains and skiing in winter and riding bikes in summer)
the list goes on
From the founders perspective wages and profit are the same thing, unless he makes a profit he has no wages
As for the profit=evil dogma we hear that every day from the lefties Corbyn included.
The further left Labour goes the more anti-business and even anti-Capitalism it becomes. Trust me people are not going to vote for that in 2020
Why do folk make up shit no one said and then attack that ?
Cos these poor desperate folk are clutching at straws... their messed up system of control is running out of time
Like feudalism, slavery and imperialism before it, their little boys club is fighting against the tide of time and they will say [i]anything[/i] to cling on to their outdated attitudes..
As I said earlier in the thread - Silly canutes
and in order to do that what is they need to do ?the founder wants to make a living
the founder has a good idea and wants to put it into practice
the founder wants a different lifestyle (e.g. like living in the mountains and skiing in winter and riding bikes in summer)
the list goes on
Is it make a profit?
If you go into business with no regard for your ability to make a profit and no interest in this daft concept, that only a Marxist would state, then your business life is unlikely to be that successful.
What do you reckon happens at a start up business meeting - no discussion at all about profitability 😆
its not a radical view I am stating.
What is said and what you hear are clearly two entirely unrelated class of eventsAs for the profit=evil dogma we hear that every day from the lefties Corbyn included.
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So can we all agree that Corbyn's a bit of a chump?
10,001...bah!
Now I'm confused. Junkyard seems to be saying that Making A Profit works. Yet ernie seems to think there's a "mantle" that can be passed between them.
Hmmm.
Given the sheer economic illiteracy presently displayed by those around the Glorious Leader, and the left generally, (which seems to revolve around the discovery of a magic money tree) I think it's a fair assessment that, if they get anywhere near the levers of power, business and capital would pull out of the British economy with such speed, they'd probably be pleedng for an IMF bailout within weeks.
It doesn't take a degree in economics to see this. Most people won't vote for us to become Greece. Which is exactly what would happen
Meanwhile in downtown Croydon
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which seems to revolve around the discovery of a [b]magic money tree[/b]
This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"
Junky so does posting 9999 and 10000 demonstrate 1) a sense of fun 2) a competitive and egotistical trait you have like for example you'd find in an ambitious purely profit motivated business person ?
I said thatYet ernie seems to think there's a "mantle" that can be passed between them.
This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"
aka - the people that have got hold of all the money! 🙂 Where do you go if you need a shit? The bathroom of course, aka - the place where the toilet is
right guys... I'm off out
Binners is here after learning all of his opinions and japes from the Sunday papers so it's all gonna go a bit strange again for a few hours..
I'll pop back later when it's calmed down a bit
Enjoy your afternoon 🙂
You too
This translates into "The Rich" but most importantly "Someone Else"
I earn below average wage - just and I am happy to pay more tax to get smoother maintained roads, not have our A & E dept shit due to lack of staff etc.I do think the general burden should fall on those with the broadest shoulders- the rich and the wealthy.
i always find it interesting that you have no objection to lifes unfairness in terms of there being massive winners in terms of wealth with capitalism but when it comes to taxation all of a sudden you RW suddenly start giving a shit about fairness - where of course fairness mean the rich get richer. I dont think you have really understood what fair means 😥
Junky so does posting 9999 and 10000 demonstrate 1) a sense of fun 2) a competitive and egotistical trait you have like for example you'd find in an ambitious purely profit motivated business person ?
Well given the pages dedicated to my awesome business acumen - for saying the ludicrous statement that business make a profit- what do you think ?
If there is one thing we can all agree on its that any business i led would be inevitably doomed for failure- unless it was perhaps performance related to copying and pasting on here 😉
'Fairness' in what though and to what end - equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. What exactly do you mean by fairness?
I earn below average wage - just and I am happy to pay more tax
You know that HMRC will happily take a cheque from you, don't you.
Or are you doing an Owen Jones ?
What exactly do you mean by fairness?
If you truly have no comprehension of what the term fairer means then there would be little point me trying to explain it to you at this late stage in your development
You know that HMRC will happily take a cheque from you, don't you.
I think we can all agree that the meagre contribution of one sub average wage earner will do little to change the govts spending plans or achieve the laudable goals i mentioned and therefore it would be pointless...surely this is not too controversial for the RW on STW ?
I dont know abou tyou but I tend to not do things that are pointless though I did reply to that "point" of yours.
Is there even the remotest possibility of a debate on here in between all the childish bickering point scoring ?
Its OK, you are amongst friends here, you can admit that you are only socialist with other people's money - there are millions more like you.
If you truly have no comprehension of what the term fairer means then there would be little point me trying to explain it to you at this late stage in your development
I agree - Everyone benefits from public services like street lighting, roads, fire brigade, police etc.
So obviously, in order to be fair, everyone should pay an equal amount into the kitty - like the poll tax.
What could be fairer than that?
I know exactly what I mean by fairness (in terms of achieving a fair system within a socially democratic framework that has as its aim the promotion of absolute equality of opportunity whilst at the same time balancing / respecting the rights and liberties of the individual) but it appears that you don't hence your refusal to set it out. Humour me and explain what you mean by fairness or you could by refusing to do so simply confirm the cluelessness that is apparent from your posts. Perhaps you don't know what you mean.
Fairness is a very slippery term.
Is it fair that I pay about three times as much tax as my wife, yet we use the same level of public services?
I'm going to go with yes. That a multi millionaire who has access to offshore accounts (and accounting) pays less than both of you, I'm going to say, no.Is it fair that I pay about three times as much tax as my wife, yet we use the same level of public services?
It doesn't take a degree in economics to see this.
In fact it takes a complete lack of basic economics to post some of the sh1te ^ but little is new. People have been spouting the same nonsense for ages.
Annoyed to have been tied up and missed 10k having started this. 😉
TMH no one reads the 10,000 posts but they do see you started it 8)
More tax Junky as soon as there was an increase in VAT to address the deficit we had howls of complaint. Someone on average income of £25k will pay something like £1000 (?) in VAT pa so the increase would have cost them £115 pa. The total raised was about £10bn pa which is pretty meaningful.
[quote=cranberry ]Its OK, you are amongst friends here, you can admit that you are only socialist with other people's money - there are millions more like you.
I explained my reasons you are free to ignore them and troll away
Amongst friends - if i had friends who debated at this level I would be incredibly embarrassed by them and me.
10k.
Holy ****.
Good job, guys.
...and by guys I mean 4-5 people.
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As I said earlier in the thread - Silly canutes
Shakes head at the shockingly bad knowledge of the history of these islands
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As pointed out on the Twit,
Wrong Vernon. That Vernon's the one who resigned from the shadow cabinet because you weren't very good.
Is there no beginning to his talents?
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Shakes head at the shockingly bad knowledge of the history of these islands
how so dafty?
10021 posts & 308 voices
300 of which probably gave up after page 50.
A remarkable reverse ferret from the SNP (and Corbyns) Financial advisor that even Labour would be proud of:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37219612
That one should have THM laughing for a good hour or two 🙂
10021 posts & 308 voices.
This thread is basically like settling down to watch Breaking Bad at this point. There's obviously something fairly compelling about it, but I really don't have that kind of time.
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This thread is basically like settling down to watch Breaking Bad at this point. There's obviously something fairly compelling about it, but I really don't have that kind of time.
Pages 100-130 suffered a dip in quality, but it really picks up again for pages 140+.
Thanks ninfan, actually it's not amusing really. What Stiglitz is now saying is blindingly obvious as I said at the time. What I find concerning is that professional Nobel winning economists appear happy to [s]prostitute themselves[/s] co done such nonsense at the time
Ah, economists and their accurate predictions.
Would that it were so...
yunki - Memberhow so dafty?
what do you think Canute did?
Did he not believe that he could hold back the tide?
And the traditional spelling of his name is ****
I thought it was an apt [i]popular[/i] anecdote
(EDIT: aaaaah, I see my 1970s primary school education has failed me again.. Still with a bit of luck these arrogant bully boys [i]will[/i] emulate Canute's humility once they discover that they cannot hold back the tide of progress)