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House prices in London are now 14 times the average salary.
The UK average house price is around 10 times the average salary isn't it? So on average not that bad.
I would have liked Corbyn to put in place some rent caps as would immediately help renters but also bring down prices of houses so help buyers too in longer term.
depends where in the country you are on that 40k. House prices in London are now 14 times the average salary.Sort of makes the labour plans for tax rates seem unfair if they are not going to take into account cost of living.
It more exposes the stupidity of housing policy for the last 30-40 years.
I suggested they went to Leeds/Manc and paid london wages imagine the talent they would get for that - nah who would want to live there
Is there a pool of skilled labour there? And, for the skilled labour, a pool of alternate employers to go to paying similar salaries? Or are you stuck with the one company forever once you've moved there?
Is there a pool of skilled labour there? And, for the skilled labour, a pool of alternate employers to go to paying similar salaries? Or are you stuck with the one company forever once you've moved there?
The point being there seems to be a London or nothing principle going on where people refuse to look outside. It's becoming ingrained and it's against the national interest.
Talking of housing policy and right to buy
Does anyone know who the housing minister under thatcher, Ian Gow, son happens to be?
Does anyone know who the housing minister under thatcher, Ian Gow, son happens to be?
Appears to be Charles Gow, multi-millionaire owner of 40 ex-council houses. I am sure that is just co-incidence though.
If only i could work out the connection...
Yes, and the bigger the divide, the more it'll keep happening as people become scared to move away in case they'll never be able to move back again.The point being there seems to be a London or nothing principle going on where people refuse to look outside. It's becoming ingrained and it's against the national interest.
Same happens in many other countries. Most notably from my perspective in New Zealand. Many British I spoke to went to NZ because of the natural beauty and access to wilderness, yet find themselves tied to Auckland salaries and property prices in case they want to return to Britain.
[quote=oldnpastit ]for the skilled labour, a pool of alternate employers to go to paying similar salaries? Or are you stuck with the one company forever once you've moved there?
I have a suspicion that the sort of talent who might be attracted by that are quite mobile.
The point being there seems to be a London or nothing principle going on where people refuse to look outside. It's becoming ingrained and it's against the national interest.
perhaps it is something to do with the transport links that London has and companies wanting to be based there? Once HS2 is built this might change...
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It more exposes the stupidity of housing policy for the last 30-40 years.
pretty much every major city in the world has made the same mistake then - they are all as or more expensive to live in and therefore require higher saleries to be paid.
Links to where? the over priced outer towns that you need to bring your own trains?
Maybe there is just a london blindness going on
And only a little while ago Corbyn was against shoot to kill and also wanted out of Europe.
Links to where?
there's a bloody great big airport next to London and two others just north and south of it. there's rail links to Europe...
Not sure that really needs pointing out, apart from to the politically blind...
LOL it's OK other places have airports, nice and close with great cheap transport links into the cities. Again long term is focussing everything on London a good idea? We are already getting the hang of less face to face and remote working so the look at our airport and train station becomes less important.
Connect the east coast mainline to the Eurostar without going through london, the BBC seems to be managing a good move up to Manchester - quick train to the airport for a fraction of the Heathrow express 😉
If you push everyone to one area then it all adds up to massive problems with housing and services. Is that good long term?
LOL it's OK other places have airports, nice and close with great cheap transport links into the cities.
LOL - have you looked at a global map of air routes recently.
How many of those people there need to get everywhere in a single flight, I've spent a lot of time looking at maps of flights.
Is it good for the UK to focus so much through London?
I suppose that when/if Corbyn gets in he will then starting trying to have a dialogue with ISIS in order to stop this violence.
And then in a few years he and McDonnell will be praising people like Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane for their bravery in bringing Britain to the negotiating table.
I'm just going by their behaviour in the past...
Back in the early 80s when I first bought the maximum mortgage was 2.5x salary. Wouldn't go far now would it?
Just who does high house prices benefit anyway? Estate agents, solicitors and banks.
TurnerGuy - Member
I'm just [s]going by their behaviour in the past[/s] trolling?
where did that one come from?
where did that one come from?
another of my issues with two-faced Corbyn. I think I had just mentioned his recent opposition to shoot-to-kill, and his silent support for Brexit.
BBC seems to be managing a good move up to Manchester
Wow so they moved from the capital to the 3rd biggest city. Where incidentally there was a big BBC presence before, hardly earth shattering stuff.
It's not the first time people have tried to discuss the London centric problem, in the late 70's / early 80's they moved a lot of Government agencies out of London, e.g. DVLA, Passport Office, ONS, Research Councils. It works in that it brings public sector jobs to the area, but it doesn't really stimulate private enterprise.RDA's and now replaced by LEP's try to do the private side, but it's unclear how effective they are.
I'm just going by their behaviour in the past...
Doing exactly the same as the conservative and labour governments? The bounder!
no you were just ignoring the question of if you think concentrating on preserving a london centric economy is good for the UK or not?
Thought it was just a random right wing tourettes thing coming out with the other stuff as there was nothing else about it on the page
I see they briefly let Diane Abbott out to meet the media again today. Didn't end well and subsequent interview was cancelled due to her not being well. It starts off badly and gets toe curlingly worse.
Campaigning for GE is a long, drawn out job interview for an MP job, a highly paid job. How is it therefore possible for her to be so badly prepared? Made even worse given the fact that she aspires to be Home Secretary.
TurnerGuy - Member
I suppose that when/if Corbyn gets in he will then starting trying to have a dialogue with ISIS in order to stop this violence.
I love how so much hatred for Corbyn seems to be about his negotiation with Sinn Fein (not the IRA) which he did openly, but the fact that successive Tory governments held talks with the IRA going back to 1971 and one Tory peer was jailed for laundering IRA money but that this never seems to make it into the current billionaire controlled newspapers recently, plenty of old articles though:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2601875.stm
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/16/northernireland.thatcher
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/mar/18/northernireland.past
And a Tory peer that laundered money for the IRA
Diane Abbott 😯
(I can just imagine Malcolm Tucker after this 😀 )
Don't click on video if easily offended...
Diane Abbott does seem to be doing her best to sabotage their efforts at the moment!
shes (been) pulled out of the Evening standrad hustings tonight
I could see Emily Thornberry taking on her role for the forseeable
shes (been) pulled out of the Evening standrad hustings tonight
I'd be very surprised if we see her again before the election. She is a a liability.
Ms Abbott sorry to call you so late on a Saturday but there's been another islamist attack on London. May we send in the SAS Ms Home Secretary?
Yes of course...send in 7. Er, no make that 7000. Actually how many do we have again?
mikewsmith - MemberThe point being there seems to be a London or nothing principle going on where people refuse to look outside. It's becoming ingrained and it's against the national interest.
Yup. A mate of mine works for a reassurer. Everyone that works there moved to London to work, over half of them from Edinburgh. Not one local. They do practically nothing face-to-face. Why are they in London? Because that's where the good people are. Because they moved there because the jobs are in London. Because that's where the good people are because they moved there for the jobs which moved there for the people who <divide by London error>
no you were just ignoring the question of if you think concentrating on preserving a london centric economy is good for the UK or not?
I had two posts before that - one two different subjects.
a london centric economy is not good but a brute force attempt to excessively tax people into moving isn't going to work.
Yes of course...send in 7. Er, no make that 7000. Actually how many do we have again?
Well it's hard to tell with all these cuts.
Home Sec Rudd, would you like to send in more police
I'd love to but Theresa sacked them all
Ms Abbott sorry to call you so late on a Saturday but there's been another islamist attack on London. May we send in the SAS Ms Home Secretary?
Well, err, um. I think the er um SAS are er important and I think I like the SAS
Yes, but can we send them in?
We, er, um, I think the real question is er not can we send them in but er um should we er send them in, i think.
Interesting comment in my office, "I wasn't going to vote until I saw an interview with Dianne Abbot, now I'm voting Tory to keep her out". It got universal agreement from the team. Just when you though Labour were making headway...
It's funny but it is not - how can she still be in the potential home secretary position?
She will still be there if labour get in - I think she has some embarrasing dirt on Corbyn based on when she used to play around with little Jeremy...
Interesting comment in my office, "I wasn't going to vote until I saw an interview with Dianne Abbot, now I'm voting Tory to keep her out".
let's hope she gets a lot more air time.
ironic when our current foreign secretary is a walking joke and our defence secretary cant keep his foot out of his mouth
not that I dont think abbots a liability, she will be hidden away from now on!
franksinatra - Member
I see they briefly let Diane Abbott out to meet the media again today. Didn't end well and subsequent interview was cancelled due to her not being well.
That was brutal, you have to say. I know she's not the sharpest tool in the box, but defo something going on there, whether unwell or on some sort of prescription, feeling the stress, is anyones guess, but she's getting worse as time goes on. She's normally better than that.
Don't worry people love incompetent HS's given we are seeing tory knives out you have no idea who will be PM if they win. In coalition which is Labours main hope I'd expect HS to come from the SNP
She just can't stop saying what she thinks people want to hear, even if it makes no sense. She's the total opposite to Corbyn.
There's not a hope in hell there will be an official SNP/Labour coalition.mikewsmith - Member
Don't worry people love incompetent HS's given we are seeing tory knives out you have no idea who will be PM if they win. In coalition which is Labours main hope I'd expect HS to come from the SNP
There's not a hope in hell there will be an official SNP/Labour coalition.
Wait until the option is on the table.
The SNP won't enter uk government, it'd be suicide for them. They'll give their support to a minority Labour gov that's about it, but it'll be on a point by point basis.
how can she still be in the potential home secretary position
I think it's perfectly obvious why she is there.
And it's nothing to do with ability.
Not as a politician, anyway.
wasn't going to vote until I saw an interview with Dianne Abbot, now I'm voting Tory to keep her out".
But you're happy to have Johnson, Hunt, Duncan-Smith?
but defo something going on there, whether unwell or on some sort of prescription, feeling the stress, is anyones guess
I think you are being generous. She wasn't too bad on the preceding question on police numbers, she just crumbled when being asked about the Harris report. It seemed pretty clear to me she just does not know the content of his report. I know the main points of that report and I am not Shadow Home Secretary or being interviewed on national TV
But you're happy to have Johnson, Hunt, Duncan-Smith?
compared to Abbott ? There's an obvious answer.
how can she still be in the potential home secretary position
I think it's perfectly obvious why she is there
ooh, guessing games! First letter?
Abbott stepping down due to Illness
Dianne.... sign this!
What is it?
It's your ****ing resignation... SIGN!
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I wonder how much of a game changer that is - for all the talk of JC being an electoral liability, it appears he probably isn't, but sadly DA was. I've seen plenty of other comments from people saying they wouldn't vote Labour because of her. Sad because she seems a thoroughly decent person, and I suspect would do a good job in office - the job of being a minister isn't all about instant recall of figures.
@lunge - time to do some last minute campaigning - so DA is no longer a risk, do they want BoJo the clown instead?
The Diane Abbott hate leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, eh?
She wouldn't have been my choice for that job, but then most of Labour's other talent had already stropped off. I'd take her over Boris any day.
Sad because she seems a thoroughly decent person
got any links to show that ?
She'll be back on the front bench if they get in - only a stupid person would think there's any change and they are now safe voting for labour because she is out of the picture.
[quote=TurnerGuy ]got any links to show that ?
[url= http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/seem ]Here you go[/url]
[quote=TurnerGuy ]She'll be back on the front bench if they get in - only a stupid person would think there's any change and they are now safe voting for labour because she is out of the picture.
It's all relative isn't it - would I feel safer with somebody on the front bench who has a problem remembering figures when put on the spot, or a bunch of folks on the front bench with fundamentally nasty values. Not that I think you're right anyway - it's quite common for a cabinet to be significantly different to a shadow cabinet when a party is newly elected, and I expect bridges to be built and talent recalled. Let's hope we get to find out eh?
TurnerGuy - Member
She'll be back on the front bench if they get in - only a stupid person would think there's any change and they are now safe voting for labour because she is out of the picture.
And there you have it the arrogance and insulting nature of the average Tory...
And there you have it the arrogance and insulting nature of the average Tory...
Thing is, I know TG in real life and he's nowhere near as much of a knob as he appears on here.
If the rumours of long term illness are correct, and I hope not (as much as she's a liability she's a human too) then a return to the front bench might not be on the cards at all and I'd hope he apologises for that.
[for balance, I also know Scud and he's a bellend of massive proportions too 😉 As am I]
JonV
You know that...I didn't take well to anyone calling anyone "stupid" even if it does probably apply to me..
scud - MemberAnd there you have it the arrogance and insulting nature of the average Tory...
...as proven with your sample size of one. 😆
Does the average non-Tory suffer from as much stereotyping and prejudice as yourself...? 💡
Talking politics can really reveal people's ugly side.
How much of a knob is TurnerGuy in real life then?
She'll be back on the front bench if they get in - only a stupid person would think there's any change and they are now safe voting for labour because she is out of the picture.
Depends how ill she is. If she isn't physically able to fulfill the demands of being on the front bench then why would she be put back there? She may not even be able to sit as an MP, we just don't know yet.
If she is genuinely ill, even if only transiently, then you are going to look like a really nasty piece of work.
You know that...I didn't take well to anyone calling anyone "stupid" even if it does probably apply to me..
Taking size and previous occupation into account, anyone calling you stupid probably meets that definition themself. Unless obviously from behind the safety of a keyboard situated in [s]56 Winship Gardens, Woking, Surrey[/s] (no, that wouldn't be fair)
You're still a big, scary lovable bellend though 😉
@chakaping - well, he rides pushbikes around in the woods as a hobby, so 'a bit of one' ?
He seems to have made himself scarce for some reason, so please tell him to read this: https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/
He seems to have made himself scarce for some reason, so please tell him to read this: https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/
That is great. A few on here could do with reading that...
There was a story on the news earlier suggesting she'd responded to an e-mail from a fake labour party e-mail saying she didn't feel comfortable pretending to be ill and didn't feel it was right.
May of course be more election bobbins...
He seems to have made himself scarce for some reason, so please tell him to read this: https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/
Excellent hagiography
I do agree that the racist, sexist etc abuse is not on
Whilst there is no doubt that some of the coverage of Abott is indeed racist and sexist in nature I have no love for her for I view her as a prize hypocrite who defended her decision over schooling her child with a statement she would have termed racist had a white person said it to her
Yes she is bright as the article says , yes she is brave as the article says but she is also a hypocrite as the article does not say
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/diane-abbott-i-sent-my-son-to-private-230293
BR But couldn’t you see why there was anger? People on the left thought ‘we’re not surprised that Blair and Harman did it [ sent their kids to private school] but we don’t understand why Diane Abbott did it because she’s one of us’?
DA Yes, but they didn’t understand me. I’m a West Indian mum and West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children.
It’s that kind of atavistic streak that we have. I can see them in the market on a Saturday morning. A kind of ‘touch my children and we’ll turn quite difficult’.
Interestingly, until now, it’s the one thing that’s got me the most positive response from black women locally. They would come up to me and shake my hand. Because ultimately in their eyes it’s about doing the right thing for their children. But obviously people from other cultures didn’t see it that way at all.
BR I’m guessing those black women couldn’t afford to do what you did yet you’re saying they shook your hand?
DA Exactly. Yes. That’s what you and some of my colleagues on the Left would never understand. In the end you’re coming from a culture where whatever you can do for your children you do.
I personally think she is playing the race card herself there [ what culture does not love their kids ?] to cover her own hypocrisy.
Sadly Junky, I completely agree with you.
That particular statement signalled the end of any respect I once had for her.
Shame.
How to win friends and influence people.
Personally I don't regard it as racist. But I certainly do consider it as much an 'I'm just better than all of you' statement as you'd hear from the most moneyed, disconnected, condescending Tory Lord.
Because the message it was sending out, when translated, was 'do as I say, not as I do, and how dare you question me? Do you know who I am?
It's been all downhill from there for her. But as she demonstrated so magnificently with that statement, and so many since, self-awareness isn't something she's overly burdened with
Abbott sums up the Corbyn crowd, big on sweeping generalisations and worthy taglines, short on detail with non-existant preparation. She had to be on the front bench / prime spot in the campaign as so many Labour MPs won't work with Corbyn just as Corbyn would never work for them.
As for not voting Labour because of her she's much less of an issue than Cornyn or McDonnell would have been as PM and Chancellor. I saw would have been as Labour are going to be crushed electorally.
Sadly the TheDiane she will be remembered mostly for the last few weeks rather than her more notable achievements as per that blog. The prior Labour leadership had kept her in the background for good reason, good for them and as we can see now better for her too.
Whilst there is no doubt that some of the coverage of Abott is indeed racist and sexist in nature I have no love for her for I view her as a prize hypocrite who defended her decision over schooling her child with a statement she would have termed racist h
Easy for you to pass judgement eh Junky? As white men we play the game with the level set to "easy".
bib dun?
great post on abbots achievements by a celeb chef!
Umm. That. Read it and hang your head.
Sadly the TheDiane she will be remembered mostly for the last few weeks rather than her more notable achievements as per that blog
Crocodile tears. If she is not remembered for her achievements it will be because of priize arseholes.
Easy for you to pass judgement eh Junky?
Yes hypocrisy is quite easy to detect
What happens is a person says one thing and then they do another. perhaps they even attack others for doing it and then they do it themselves after having opposed it all their life.
whilst I cannot deny I am indeed a white male from a poor working class and council estate background[ with all that life advantages that bestowed*] I m less sure how you wish to use this to defeat my argument- could you elaborate?As white men we play the game with the level set to "easy".
* yes they were more than Dianne but lets not debate my mocking point and you can explain why she is not a hypocrite rather than attack me/shoot the messenger defend her actions.