Jeremy Corbyn

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"What's wrong with refusing to sing the national anthem?"

As long as you're not a politician nothing.

If you're a politician its considered a vote loser.

It sure is a vote-winner Clohopper! That's for sure! They love that shit in marginal constituencies in the South East! Lap
It up, they do!

Whooping 'GO JEZZA!!!!!' as he stands there with a face like a smacked arse, looking like a surly teenager.

At least Venezuela has some evidence of significant wealth redistribution. Mainly to Maria Gabriela Chavez, but still...

I'm sure the next socialist proto-utopia will be along shortly.

they are all correct it a shit national anthem about a head i don't want nor respect and a god i don't believe it to protect them. And wirse its a shit shit tune.
i dont sign it ever.
However as a politician its just a vote loser

His I wont sign it ok I will showed he was naive at best , weak or inept at worst

He needs to say something like "the queen is a fabulous woman who I admire very much but I believe in a republic. I realise my view is in the minority but I feel in our open democracy there is no need for me to pretend to have views I don't just to fit in"

the queen is a fabulous woman who I admire very much

If he's going to lie to that extent he might as well just mouth the words of the anthem. Would be less hassle.

"the queen is a unscrupulous woman who I'd like to set fire to very much"

I'm sure he could do better than me (well not 100% sure). I just think he should have stated his position and shut the debate down. Being in favour of a republic is fine. People don't care (just don't diss Queeny)

I liked hearing Brian Moore talk about the national anthem. Slightly angry:

"its just not very good is it? The words, the tune- compare it to the Welsh one. Why cant we replace it?"

And in news of the latest triumph for the Momentum Party...

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-election-vote-poll-yougov-prime-minister-a7157561.html ]Revolution![/url]

The YouGov poll for the Times

So, that's going to be completely unbiased and neutral! 😆

Why, whats your problem with YouGov?

I should think so. These polls usually are.

Viz: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/17/labour-members-increasingly-bullish-on-corbyn/

Although I do realise that for belief in a Labour victory, you need to clutch at any available bit of what looks to you like a passing straw...

"Why, whats your problem with YouGov?"

Not much, although they've been a bit out on recent UK polls, but more with a Murdoch-owned newspaper.

Plus:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougovs-polling-methods-were-flawed-2016-5

"Why, whats your problem with YouGov?"

People have had enough of experts! 🙂

I'm still reeling from the news that Binners is a fat, bald bloke! Its completely destroyed my vision of him! I thought he looked something like this:

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How can he look like that when he spends all his tme on here, and can't possibly have any time for exercise? 😆

Maybe we should have a thread for guessing what people look like? Could be interesting! 😕

@rock cat is out of the bag as we've had regular photos of yourself threads

ernie as far as I am aware you can't vote for a Tory leader by paying just £3 or £5. I called it a fiasco as I think it was and is still being widely abused by people who don't actually support the Labour Party in the broadest sense.

Polls: as I have said a few times - they are bollix. So easy to manipulate via how you ask the question and then even more so how you "adjust" the results plus they ask so few people, often as few as 1,000

Owen Smith said today he wanted the UK to be the world leader for workers rights. He might want to have a word with the French who are scaling back workers rights to deal with 25% youth and 10% general unemployment

@rockape is out of the bag as we've had regular photos of yourself threads

Ah yes just found the one of Binners:

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Mr Woppit - Member

Viz: https://yougov.co.uk/news/ [b]2016/05/17/[/b]labour-members-increasingly-bullish-on-corbyn/

Although I do realise that for belief in a Labour victory, you need to clutch at any available bit of what looks to you like a passing straw...

😆

Durrrrrr

Have you noticed the date ? I have put it bold to help you.

Here's some more poll findings :

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-overtakes-david-cameron-in-leadership-satisfaction-ratings-a6950456.html ]Jeremy Corbyn overtakes David Cameron in leadership satisfaction ratings[/url]

[i]"The Ipsos MORI poll showed Mr Corbyn up ten points and David Cameron down ten points after last week's Budget"[/i]

[url= http://www.****/news/article-3498486/Jeremy-Corbyn-s-Labour-LEAD-opinion-polls-Tory-wars-Europe-toll-David-Cameron-s-party.html ]Jeremy Corbyn's Labour take a LEAD in the opinion polls as Tory wars over Europe take a toll on David Cameron's party[/url]

It's only been about couple of months since Labour equaled or led the Tories and Woppit already wants to re-write history Joseph Stalin style!

So what do you think has happened in the last month Woppit?

Do you think that Labour MPs spending a month going on strike and refusing to fight the Tories and instead with the help of the media intensely attacking the Labour leader might have had an affect, or is it all just one big coincidence ?

You claim sarcastically [i]"And in news of the latest triumph for the Momentum Party"[/i] but of course we all know that this a huge triumph for the Blairites who have been waiting for nearly a year for bad headlines. When none came they lost their patience and decided to go on the rampage vandelising Labour's electoral chances as much as possible.

This was the situation last month in June when the plotters decided to move :

[b]Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor has a much closer race than ICM’s last poll. Topline figures are CON 36%, LAB 35%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 8%, GRN 4% [/b]

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/page/2

And you want to blame Momentum for the sudden drop in support for Labour in the last month. You really are a muppet.

i don't sign it ever.

"its just not very good is it? The words, the tune- compare it to the Welsh one. Why cant we replace it?"

The trouble with Corbyn is he stands for traditional labour values whilst the MP's stand for Blairite values

Not very Blairite at all

Yep, we should absolutely believe what the ex PR chief for sleazy big pharma tells us.

"Is that you, Alastair?"

Durrrrrr

Have you noticed the date ? I have put it bo

I suppose you missed my post where I offered evidence of a Yougov poll favourable to Labour, as a reply to a post from someone else which claimed right-wing bias in the Yougov polling method.

Which was the whole point. Which you missed. Again.

Never mind, Jeremy's New Improved Cleaned Up Party will never win power in the UK despite your valiant attempts at bolstering it's position with willfully obscurantist rants...

Yep, we should absolutely believe what the ex PR chief for sleazy big pharma tells us.

Well he reckons we should be 'smashing Theresa May back on her heels'. I have no idea what that means but it sounds rather violent and possibly sexual.

I think he should probably keep that sort of talk to when he's down the pub with his mates.

I quite liked Frankie Boyle comment with regards to Owen Smith :

[i]“Owen Smith was head of policy for Pfizer, but despite his best efforts there still aren't enough drugs in the world to make his election seem like a good idea. Smith looks like his most radical policy will be not wearing a tie to the park.”[/i]

So, a competition between a sexist bully and a divisive puritan as to who will lead their party into the next glorious defeat.

Well he reckons we should be 'smashing Theresa May back on her heels'. I have no idea what that means but it sounds rather violent and possibly sexual.

You'd think that a supposed PR guru would know better...

Mr Woppit - Member

So, a competition between a sexist bully

Ah, and so it begins. His choice of words was rubbish but what's sexist about it? For that matter, what's bullying about it?

It's been fun watching people who've maintained Corbyn is too far to the left seamlessly get behind Smith, now we get to see the other side of the coin, people who've dedicated their efforts to blaming Corbyn for the sinking of the Titanic and everything since getting ready to do the same for Smith, and retargetting their "reinterpret everything he says" lasers.

I disagree and find it heartening to see the RW on here suddenly becoming all bleeding heart liberal hair trigger offended on behalf of others types as I believe they call us.
Its deffo a genuine conversion and not at all about putting your politics before relaity

I do find all tho kitten heels stuff a bit tiresome.

It's been fun watching people who've maintained Corbyn is too far to the left seamlessly get behind Smith, now we get to see the other side of the coin, people who've dedicated their efforts to blaming Corbyn for the sinking of the Titanic and everything since getting ready to do the same for Smith, and retargetting their "reinterpret everything he says" lasers.

I don't think Owen Smith will be targeted in the same way Jeremy Corbyn has been.

Smith used Orgreave for his speech - Corbyn would have been castigated for that, Smith pledged a wealth tax on top earners - Corbyn would have been denounced for that, Smith spoke of the need for a [i]"cold-eyed, practical, socialist revolution"[/i] - Corbyn would have been vilified for that.

I expect Owen Smith to get a very easy ride in the media compared to Corbyn.

So what's the difference, is Smith less left-wing than Corbyn? Apparently not, he wants us to think that he is as least as left-wing as Corbyn if not more so.

Is the man who likes to talk about the need for a 'socialist revolution' and to tax the rich, when he isn't talking about smashing Theresa May back on her heels, more likely to win a general election than Corbyn? Probably not.

So what's the appeal of Smith over Corbyn ? Well for a start unlike Corbyn he is probably easy to manipulate. Secondly everyone knows that Corbyn is a conviction politician not a career politician, even his opponents like Hilary Benn describe him as 'decent and honest, they know that he means what he says.

In contrast while no one knows much about Smith they assume that he is just like most other Labour politicians, ie, a careerist who will say anything to get elected.

They don't actually believe what Smith says, and why should they? With Corbyn however they know that he isn't interested in spin or saying whatever he needs to say to get a few extra votes. Which is of course the reason why some people don't like him and precisely the reason why some do.

The big difference between Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn is integrity.

"Well he reckons we should be 'smashing Theresa May back on her heels'. I have no idea what that means but it sounds rather violent and possibly sexual."

R5 reckon its an everyday term in the world of Rugby. If so I can't see the problem.

20 costed policies! Fantastic.

"So what's the appeal of Smith over Corbyn ?"

That he'll resign and hand the job to a potential GE winner.

"The big difference between Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn is integrity."

The big difference is that Smith has policies.

And if you pay him enough, he has others.

That he'll resign and hand the job to a potential GE winner.

So the appeal of Owen Smith is that he will get someone else to do the job which no one thinks he can do ?

That's an interesting theory.

However a Labour leader can't simply 'hand over' their job to whoever they fancy when they don't want to do it anymore.

And in case you haven't noticed the Labour Party is changing. I believe that there is a proposition to amend the rules at this coming conference to reduce the candidate nomination threshold to 5%. Also there will be NEC elections in which the old Blairites, still living in the 1980s and 90s, will almost certainly lose their grip even further.

ernie_lynch - Member

I expect Owen Smith to get a very easy ride in the media compared to Corbyn.

Unless he wins.

If he wins I expect him to get the same sort of treatment as Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband got.

In contrast the treatment that Corbyn is presently receiving represents just the warmup to what has yet to come as the next GE approaches. It's not even the dressed rehearsal imo.

Ernie a serious non troll question, assuming the Labour Party morphs into this new fundamentalist socialist organisation how do you think they will win a general election I. E. How will it gain sufficient seats to form a government? As a minority opposition you have no power to change anything (even UKIP will vote in support of right wing agendas)

The big difference between Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn is integrity.

And there is the biggest lie of the whole Corbyn phenomenon, he doesn't have integrity he is to quote someone who was a member of labour rather than the Communist Party of Great Britain

Jeremy Corbyn is not a nice or decent man. He is a coward. He is a hypocrite. He is a bully. And he is a fraud.

All those fans who ignore the messaging that he uses and keep banging on about the semantics of what he sayes and does, and as importantly what he doesn't say or do will one day have their Kronstadt moment

I think Smith means the Labour Party should be strong enough to be attacking the Tories and not stressing itself out about dissapearing into irrelevance.

As for policies apart from Leaving the European Union and not renewing Trident I am not aware of Corbyn actually having any. Perhaps that will be one good thing to come out of the election, a chance to hear more than just campaign slogans

"However a Labour leader can't simply 'hand over' their job to whoever they fancy when they don't want to do it anymore."

Gordon Brown.

Labour MPs have learned their lesson, in the unlikely event Labour survives as a mainstream party the MPs will be a lot more careful about who they nominate in future.

"I believe that there is a proposition to amend the rules at this coming conference to reduce the candidate nomination threshold to 5%"

LOL, how could that possibly go wrong! Nothing like learning from your mistakes.

big_n_daft - Member

The big difference between Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn is integrity.

And there is the biggest lie of the whole Corbyn phenomenon, he doesn't have integrity he is to quote someone who was a member of labour rather than the Communist Party of Great Britain

Jeremy Corbyn is not a nice or decent man. He is a coward. He is a hypocrite. He is a bully. And he is a fraud.

All those fans who ignore the messaging that he uses and keep banging on about the semantics of what he sayes and does, and as importantly what he doesn't say or do will one day have their Kronstadt moment
Posted 11 minutes ago

Well if a right-wing columnist who describes himself as “tribal neo-Blairite” writing in the Daily Mail says that, then that settles it.

Who are you going to believe - me or the Daily Mail ?

Well if a right-wing columnist who describes himself as “tribal neo-Blairite”