The one you support that is full of **** and bigots
Labour then
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/what-happened-when-gillian-duffy-met-900168
sorry she left the Party due to Corbyn
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/gordon-browns-bigoted-woman-quits-labour-jeremy-corbyn/
Let's not forget a Labour MP was murdered recently ....didn't hear the right wing voters being condemd as a violent collective afterwards.....
One the act of a single person who had deep seated and long term mental health issues, the other a disorganised campaign by multiple people to instil fear into anyone who doesn't toe their extremist line in the Labour party.
Something I admire about Jeremy is his unerring ability to always be half a step away from his terrorist friends and the bullies of Momentum. He never stoops to getting his own hands dirty and he always remembers to half-halfheartedly almost condemn them. Yet still he attracts them, like flies around shit.
He never stoops to getting his own hands dirty and he always remembers to half-halfheartedly almost condemn them. Yet still he attracts them, like flies around shit.
Guilt by (loose) association. File under "cobblers".
Getting back on the topi of basic competence, one of the bearded messiahs newly appointed shadow ministers was just asked on Five Live why, since the referendum result, the labour party hasn't said a single solitary word about what they would like a UK out of the EU to look like? What the labour party leadership thinks should happen now? What form the negotiations should take?
His answer....
"I don't have an answer to that"
Brilliant! Inspiring stuff! Gets my vote!
Something I admire about Jeremy is his unerring ability to always be half a step away from his terrorist friends
You are insane.
How could a lifelong pacifist be friends with terrorists? It makes no sense.
You are wilfully misinterpreting a single line. Very poor.
Didn't some in the Tory party bully an activist to his suicide? Shapps resigned iirc
So @cranbery what do you say about the Tories cosying up to China for business , when China have serious human rights issues? Do you turn a blind eye to that? How about the arms deals your Tory party does? Turn a blind eye there too....I expect so...keep slinging your stuff at Labour whilst ignoring your own parties problems...just politics innit...
****s sake this thread is just right wing folk making excuses for a murderer and then overstating the degree to which Corbyn supporters are a brutish rabble
It is nothing more than folk using facts to back y their prejudices as risible a "debate" as stw can produce summed in in this big pile of polemic tabloid tosh
One the act of a single person who had deep seated and long term mental health issues, the other a disorganised campaign by multiple people to instil fear into anyone who doesn't toe their extremist line in the Labour party.
Jesus can we actually have some grown up debate here rather than just going I hate corbyn well I hate the tories 🙄
binners - Member
Getting back on the topi of basic competence, one of the bearded messiahs newly appointed shadow ministers was just asked on Five Live why, since the referendum result, the labour party hasn't said a single solitary word about what they would like a UK out of the EU to look like? What the labour party leadership thinks should happen now? What form the negotiations should take?His answer....
"I don't have an answer to that"
Brilliant! Inspiring stuff! Gets my vote!
This is what i find so frustrating. I have no idea what Labour's policies are on anything. I know that Corbyn wants to fight injustice, and i agree with most of what he says, but where are the proposals to make this happen?
binners - they've drawn up some 'red lines':
Mr McDonnell said: “Our aim must be to ensure freedom of trade for the UK businesses in the EU and freedom of trade for EU businesses in the UK.“Second: no EU citizen currently living or working in the UK will have their residency rights affected, and no UK citizen currently living or working in the EU will have their rights affected.
“Third: existing protections at work, provided by the EU, must be maintained.
“Fourth: the UK’s role in the European Investment Bank should be maintained.
“Fifth: rights of UK financial services and companies to win business across the EU must be maintained.
“Any path through the negotiations that does not respect these guidelines will be liable to have severe consequences for jobs and protections at work.”
But to be honest - you seem quite happy for the MPs to be fighting him rather than helping him, but then can't understand why he doesn't have time to do other things.
I wouldn't be surprised if they spent a good long time thinking about Brexit, but the press haven't bothered to ask him anything about it - they're too busy saying "Will you resign", "Will you be on the ballot", "Did you throw a brick at Angela", "Are you an antisemite", "Did someone block Tom from entering your office", etc, etc.
How could a lifelong pacifist be friends with terrorists? It makes no sense.
I was asking myself that a year or so ago and did a bit of googling. AFAICT he was friends with the IRA because they're a bit Marxist and he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah 'cos they are opposed to Israel.
This is what i find so frustrating. I have no idea what Labour's policies are on anything.
I don't think any right minded person would disagree with any of Corbyns goals, such as they are. But its like when they ask a Miss World contestant what they'd like more than anything and they say 'world peace'
The problem is that he's spent his entire life opposing everything. Just saying no. And now he's being asked for alternatives, for answers, he hasn't got a clue where to start. You haven't heard any policies because there are none. Nor will there be while he's at the helm.
That's how the press want to play it. They don't want you know what his policies are. The only time they show an interest is when it's divisive in the Labour Party - i.e. Trident, Syria.I have no idea what Labour's policies are on anything.
They don't want you know what his policies are.
Well I want to know, perhaps you can link to them.
AFAIK Labour don't have a new policy on Trident, their formal position is the original one from the Milliband Era. I might be wrong.
That will be an interesting one to watch - that was Corbyn trying to appease front benchers. He probably doesn't have to consider that side of party as much at the moment.AFAIK Labour don't have a new policy on Trident, their formal position is the original one from the Milliband Era. I might be wrong.
binners - they've drawn up some 'red lines':Mr McDonnell said: “Our aim must be to ensure freedom of trade for the UK businesses in the EU and freedom of trade for EU businesses in the UK.
“Second: no EU citizen currently living or working in the UK will have their residency rights affected, and no UK citizen currently living or working in the EU will have their rights affected.“Third: existing protections at work, provided by the EU, must be maintained.
“Fourth: the UK’s role in the European Investment Bank should be maintained.
“Fifth: rights of UK financial services and companies to win business across the EU must be maintained.
“Any path through the negotiations that does not respect these guidelines will be liable to have severe consequences for jobs and protections at work.”
So... to summarise.... everything to stay exactly as it is now please?
Ironically, if he came out and said that, then I'd vote for him, and I suspect a lot of other people would too. Might well get him into power, that 😀
That will be an interesting one to watch - that was Corbyn trying to appease front benchers. He probably doesn't have to consider that side of party as much at the moment.
Hang on, you're claiming knowledge of current Labour Policy, and you specifically cited Trident as a policy that had be publicized because it's decisive.
So spill the beans, lets see all this policy the press don't want us to know about. Where is it?
So... to summarise.... everything to stay exactly as it is now please?Ironically, if he came out and said that, then I'd vote for him, and I suspect a lot of other people would too. Might well get him into power, that
Personally, I think there should be a GE with every party adopting that.
Whoever wins gets a mandate to ignore the referendum, problem solved.
...but the irony of Bennite Brexiters advocating remain just sums up the insanity of the recent campaign where many of the big players were arguing a case they didn't believe in.
AFAICT he was friends with the IRA
Link?
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html ]Link[/url]
Divisive not decisive 🙂 So I said the press [i]do[/i] want to raise it.Hang on, you're claiming knowledge of current Labour Policy, and you specifically cited Trident as a policy that had be publicized because it's decisive.So spill the beans, lets see all this policy the press don't want us to know about. Where is it?
It's currently as you said - from previous conference - to maintain "continuous at-sea nuclear deterrent". But there will be a free vote in parliament. I can't see the official policy changing until conference.
I'm not a member of the Labour Party btw and have never voted Labour - just following with interest.
Do we know who Judith is yet? Her email was a masterpiece. Does she post/lurk here?
Well - except you can have a 3KW vacuum cleaner - I mean that's what everyone wanted wasn't it?So... to summarise.... everything to stay exactly as it is now please?
Corbyn was opposed on Trident by the some of the unions, not just the PLP. The unions were split on this one, as the ones that represent the Trident works are for and others against.
Those IRA 'links' are pretty tenuous, and the Telegraph article is a hatchet job.
One of the things it cites is a letter from a reader of the magazine ffs.
Those IRA 'links' are pretty tenuous
This is your question:
How could a lifelong pacifist be friends with terrorists? It makes no sense.
This is my answer:
I was asking myself that a year or so ago and did a bit of googling. AFAICT he was friends with the IRA because they're a bit Marxist and he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah 'cos they are opposed to Israel.
Telegraph article is a hatchet job
Of course it is.
cites is a letter from a reader of the magazine ffs
A magazine which Jeremy Corbyn happened to be General Secretary to the Editorial Board.
The evidence is good enough. Militant lefties visited IRA meetings etc. They didn't do the same for Loyalist terror groups so asking the question "Why pick the IRA?" is reasonable.
I'm pretty sure Marxism is the link, and I can't find an alternative reason. Certainly Molegrips hasn't suggested an alternative reason.
Those IRA 'links' are pretty tenuous, and the Telegraph article is a hatchet job.
Isn't it just? I tried my best to read it as it was posted by mefty, I wouldn't have bothered had been ninfan or Jamba, I thought it might have been a serious article. I gave up about after the first few paragraphs.
Example : [i]"The editorial board of a hard-Left magazine, of which Mr Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing."[/i] If that was the case prosecutions would have followed.
Another example : [i]"It can also be revealed that in 2004 Mr McDonnell, now Labour’s shadow chancellor, was given a special award by Sinn Fein"[/i] Sinn Fein is a legal organisation which a quarter of voters in Northern Ireland vote for. They are freely allowed to stand in Westminster elections.
I stopped after that.
I'm pretty sure that it wold be opposition to the Torys support of loyalists if there was a link
A top RUC officer raised the issue of paramilitary collusion personally with Margaret Thatcher but his concerns were ignored, an explosive new documentary will claim.Former head of Special Branch Raymond White said that the message he received from the then Government on the use of agents in the dirty war was "carry on - just don't get caught".
I stopped after that.
If you had read further, you would have seen the article in question is reproduced and the quotes are all there.
My problem with Corbyn past associations with the IRA/Sein Fein and Hamas and Hezbollah is that his explanations show at best a remarkably incurious mind, at worst a wilful blindness to their methods.
Do you have a problem with the author of the article, Andrew Gilligan, being a paid employee of a terrorist state ?
[i][b]"Lest we forget, the man is a paid employee of the Islamic Republic of Iran. He hosts his own show on the state-funded English-language Iranian broadcaster, Press TV."[/i][/b]
[url= http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/11/andrew-gilligan-islamism-press ]The truth about Andrew Gilligan - The Telegraph man’s links to Iran.[/url]
Can you imagine the reaction if it was reported that Corbyn had hosted his own show on Iranian State TV? 😆
Can you imagine the reaction if it was reported that Corbyn had hosted his own show on Iranian state TV?
Although he hasn't presented a show on it, he was quite happy to paid quite significant sums to appear on it according to his register of interests.
EDIT: I missed your point.
A magazine which Jeremy Corbyn happened to be General Secretary to the Editorial Board.
A situation about which you know nothing. But still
MAKES YOU THINK, EH?!
🙄
Self moderated.
🙂
When you have had a friend assassinated by the IRA, it does make you think.
I'm sorry about your friend. But - actually, not sure. Can you elaborate?
I'm sorry your friend was assassinated by the IRA. However I don't think that is anymore relevant than if Corbyn had a friend who was assassinated by Loyalists or the British army.
So anyway getting back to Andrew Gilligan who likes to smear Corbyn, surely the fact that both Gilligan and Hezbollah have received Iranian state funding proves beyond doubt Gilligan's guilt through association?
Luckily for Andrew Gilligan despite being a rather powerful man, more than most elected politicians, who can break politicians, manipulate public opinion, and influence elections, he never has to worry about being elected to anything.
Power with no accountability. Lucky ol' Gilligan.
Corbyn has always been anti-establishment so he's a natural conduit for the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah, Cage etc. Its very rare for politicians to engage with such orgnanizations so he is a goldmine. Now I think he does so with good intentions but he is deeply misguided in this conduct as he allows his position as an MP to be misused. This is magnified 100 times over now as leader of the Labour Party. You can see this is his continued connections with people who hold extreme views such as being strongly homophobic or deniers of the holocaust.
With regard to abuse and intimidation we are seeing here in the UK what I see regularly in France in that it is the hard left, particularly the youth who are by far the greatest protagonists. Angela Eagle today signed a pledge as a direct challenge to Corbyn to do the same to ensure those campaigning for her will do so with respect and decency.
The Huffington Post has picked up on something I and others have been saying from some time that Corbyn is a magnate for the extreme left and he is turing a blind eye as it suits him politically
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-socialist-workers-party-workers-liberty-green-party-entryism-leadership_uk_57829343e4b074297db34303 ]Entryism[/url]
When yer struggling bring up this nonsense... don't engage.
"Corbyn has always been anti-establishment so he's a natural conduit for the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah, Cage etc."
I don't really buy that as a sole reason. It would be a hell of a coincidence if the only terrorists groups he had contact with just happened to support causes he supports. I'm still going for Marxism/Israel.
Now I think he does so with good intentions but he is deeply misguided in this conduct as he allows his position as an MP to be misused
That.
I suppose the question has to be.. Are the right wing idiots that we see on here representative of the wider electorate?
Cos there are some proper flipping weirdos here and that's undeniable
