With these leadership qualities combined with ability to go to the brewery and not get pissed, these guys should propose the idea of bringing the ownership of large parts of the economy into their hands. What's not to like?
Timetable out - this whole car crash leadership battle will continue till 24th September, when the results of the Ballot are released.
Still, at least this gives Theresa a convenient date to activate Article 50 and dominate the news cycle 🙂
I can see the party splitting - the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.
No rush Labour Party! FFS
I expect Corbyn to impress in the hustings, Eagle to be unimpressive, Owen Smith I dont know he's on the radio now.
cranberry - Member
I can see the party splitting - the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.
Mostly what do I need to ask google images to get a pic of 2 clowns fighting?
ctk - Member
No rush Labour Party! FFS
Not at all, nominations by the end of the week, do some media then result in a month?
"69% of those asked didn't know who you were" - at least he has a clean slate. could be a good thing.
cranberry - Member
I can see the party splitting - the MPs going one way and Momentum left covered in its own glory.
I'm not sure the departure of 150 Red Tories constitutes a split, more like a pustulant scab being ripped off. Without the party behind them they are blowing in the wind.
If they leave also have the problem of the next election. If they don't split, who is going to preselect them. I suspect their numbers would be greatly diminished.
If they do split, where are they going to find a support structure? They will need massive financial support to stand again and finding dedicated activists will be a problem. The Tories and LibDems already fill the spectrum they appeal to.
Not sure all this piss-taking of the Corbyn voters is justified. All they are doing is using the democratic process to express what they believe in.
The alternative is to just sit down and take that with which they disagree.
I'm not sure the departure of 150 Red Tories constitutes a split. Regard it as a pustulant scab being ripped off.
So any ideas why the labour party are having problems?
ernie_lynch - MemberStill, ill-informed gibberish aside, binners rants do have an entertainment value. And if with the help of a rigged ballot paper Angela Eagle does indeed win the the leadership "election", then I'm sure that filled with incandescent rage he will use all his literature skills, which he honed at his posh middle-class school (a former cabinet member went to it dontcha know), to rant endlessly about Angela Eagle.
Blimey! Or should I say 'cripes'? 😯
There was me thinking I went to bog-standard comprehensive in Warrington, when in reality I've been to Eton. Who knew? Just one question for you Comrade.... the lads in mine and Andy Burnhams class who's dads had just been made redundant (by Fatcha) from Parkside Colliery just up the road.... are they 'posh boys' too? Or do they get a an exemption? Maybe a certificate of authenticity due to their fathers former position as Symbolic of 'The Struggle'? 😆
Ernie... if you get a chance Comrade, could you embellish the rest of my CV in the same fashion. I have to admit that as i dish out the quinoa salad at my simply super dinner parties I often feel a pang of inadequacy that I went to a university that was one of those frightful former Polytechnics. If you could upgrade me to Oxbridge that would be marvellous. I'll let you choose the House. 😉
I would never be so crass as to question your revolutionary credentials to try and undermine you comrade. Especially after finding this video of yourself and your colleagues discussing your childhoods.....
Getting back on topic though Comrade ... what a glorious victory! For Theresa. I imagine she'll be planning for the next 3 terms in office. We really are going back to 1979
lol can somebody go and check on binners, I think somebody might have left some special brew near the cornflakes.....
Anyway if JC gets back to the back benches how long before he votes against the new leader?
If they do split, where are they going to find a support structure? They will need massive financial support to stand again and finding dedicated activists will be a problem.
very true, after having brick through your window, why would you want that job?
Binners, you splitter! stay with the message as Dennis Skinner did. Celebrate the "dignity of work" down t'pit and ignore the appalling, perilous and unhealthy work.
House? College dear boy, college 😉
I'll let you choose the House.
Ah, Christ Church, well I never.
Another rather unpleasant aspect of this whole charade (which again is reminiscent of the 80's style Militant left) has been the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader.
John MacDonald (who is a thug IMHO) was saying this morning that he didn't condone this at all. But while he was saying that he might as well have done a pantomime villain style wink at the camera.
All part of the grand scheme to make the Corbyn Labour party even more appealing to the wider electorate I suppose?
The MPs could stage a mass walkout, leaving the Labour brand ( tarnished as it now is ) behind. In doing so they would also leave Momentum with all of the debt.
They would, of course have to set up a new structure, but would be likely to get the funding recently denied to the old party because it has been taken over by the Uber Nutters. So you would end up with the MPs being the incumbent candidate in each of their seats, able to fight a campaign because they would be funded, set against the momentum bunch who would be drowning in debt and not even able to buy the bricks to throw through people's windows.
If I were a current labour MP I would take those chances.
Another rather unpleasant aspect of this whole charade (which again is reminiscent of the 80's style Militant left) has been the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader.
A speciality of the LW 😉 suppress dissent, don't question - just look at political threads on here!!
the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader
YOu have been inundated then have you?
Its the way the tabloids latch on to a few nutters and then use them as if they typify an entire people/movement
You think jezza does not get abusive e-mails and death threats?
For some reason he does not seem to bang on about it and blame those campaigning against him for the actions of some nutters.
It would be wonderful if any party thought this way, eg the Tories...
Indeed. But it's all about "winning". And if the losers are the ordinary people, well, tough cookies.
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. Corbyn's covered it up with his three different reports kicking it further down the road in the hope of burying it.
There goes Jamba again - accusing people of racism. I'm surprised he hasn't reported himself to the mods by now !
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Can't be arsed.
"The Labour Party is a political party based on Socialist principles"
Its not, and it hasn't been for decades.
You think jezza does not get abusive e-mails and death threats?
The emails from Milne and McDonnell don't count
The emails from Milne and McDonnell don't count
😀
Well McDonnell got this bit right:
[i]They have been plotting and conniving. The only good thing about it, as plotters they’re ****ing useless.[/i]
He's going to stand as the candidate with the best "dithering qualities", apparently Angela Eagle is just too decisive.
🙂
The most illuminative thing to come out of this is the Labour Party's inability to manage a simple task like electing a leader. Rules open to question then a last minute shifting of the qualification requirements (£3 bs £25 and immediate eligability vs 6m requirement).
It really is a absolute and total shambkes, who knew eh ?
Imagine, its not totally ridiculous that Tories would recognise the SNP as the official opposition
John MacDonald (who is a thug IMHO)
I went to see John McDonnell speak in Manchester a couple of months ago. He's really not a thug. He's quite the comedian though, and also very frank in the way he speaks. Add those two together and you get lots of opportunities for the media to spin what he says in a very negative light. He's actually got some quite forward looking and radical ideas about economics which are worth looking at.
I did find that statement he made last night amusing
[i]They have been plotting and conniving. The only good thing about it, as plotters they’re **** useless.[/i]
But then you could extend that to cover the entire labour party, and everything they try to do
It really is a absolute and total shambkes, who knew eh ?
As opposed to the old boy network and opaque back room dealings... that's of course far superior.
As opposed to the old boy network and opaque back room dealings...
Not got much knowledge of Unions then.
cranberry - Member
...They would, of course have to set up a new structure, but would be likely to get the funding recently denied to the old party because it has been taken over by the Uber Nutters...
And who would be providing this funding. Foreign billionaires?
Poor old Jezza getting PMQ wrong yet again - but the suit is better and the boss joke was a good one
Just seen Heidi Alexanders response to John McDonnell's 'joke'
[i]God, this is awful. John, I resigned because the whole operation was f*#$ing useless not because of a plot.[/i]
Imagine, its not totally ridiculous that Tories would recognise the SNP as the official opposition
I agree that its not totally ridiculous its completely ****ing ridiculous. Jambyland is stranger than I thought
Let's not forget a Labour MP was murdered recently ....didn't hear the right wing voters being condemd as a violent collective afterwards.....
Indeed its almost as of their is double standards at work here.
Imagine, its not totally ridiculous that Tories would recognise the SNP as the official opposition
I'd imagine the Tories couldn't possibly be happier than they are with the '[i]opposition[/i]'* they've presently got
* The word 'opposition' is used figuratively in this instance, and does not reflect any actual opposing, as its a bit busy eating itself at the moment
Plus ca change
It's not really surprising (the double standards and stereotypes)...Tory policy is based upon stereotypes... benefits scroungers, doctors being greedy, disabled people not really being that disabled and should work, immigrants being deviants, teachers being moaning wingers and cannot do their jobs etc..
Which one is the nasty party again?
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/13/corbyn-endorsed-bullying-by-voting-against-secret-ballot ]Corbyn endorsed bullying by voting against secret ballot[/url]
Another rather unpleasant aspect of this whole charade (which again is reminiscent of the 80's style Militant left) has been the air of barely suppressed violence, and thinly veiled threats that are surfacing against anyone who dares to question the Glorious Leader.
Its anyone that doesn't agree with them...look at the behaviour at the last Tory conference, spitting at delegates arriving each day.
Which one is the nasty party again?
The one you support that is full of ****s and bigots
Corbyn endorsed bullying by voting against secret ballot
The NEC are elected representatives of the party. The party[ who voted for them] has a right, as we do with MP's to know who voted in what way. Its called accountability rather than bullying. Unless you hate corbyn so much you only operate in smears rather than reason.
Ive kind of swayed back and forth on this
Corbyn is the kind of principled genuine politician that, doesnt stand a hope in the modern media driven world
His inner circle of advisors seem shadowy and a bit paranoid
He lacks verve and charisma, he was a non voice in the referndum campaign
It looked like his time had come, maybe he could be persuaded to step aside and let a better candidate take control
but at the same time, wtf? the PLP have behaved like children, they are so desperate to emulate Blair's success that they think thats the only way
Turns out that corbyn and co were right to be paranoid, the PLP are just another bunch or careerist powerhungry douchebags whod stab their own grannies for a taste of power. They are basically torries, without the 1922 comitee totalitarian control of the party.
The more I see Angela Eagles empty platitudes about being a unifier or Kinock/Bens jr trying to claim to speak for the party of equal opportunity for all,
The more I hope Corbyn is the last man standing in all of this
4 local elections and a mayoral have seen his party win and gain votes, hes got a network of on the ground campaigners willing to argue his case on the doorstep.
And his policies offer real hope to the dissafected outers of the former Labour heartlands, way more than the teflon Tory lite spin of the PLP or the racism and lies fed them by the UKIP, the press barons and the post truth policies of Vote Leave Tories.
look at the behaviour at the last Tory conference, spitting at delegates arriving each day.
It really wasn't an acceptable way for Cameron and Osborne to treat Boris, was it? 😀
Eh? Who's more nasty? Corbyn (supposedly) endorsing bullying versus a party creating policies that send people into poverty and commit suicide to allow other sections of society get richer?. ..let us all ponder that one....
