Is he good, bad or indifferent for British Politics?
On one hand, he's charming, witty, self-deprecating and seems to have captured the attention of younger people who aren't attracted to Corbyn's style of politics, so he seems to be filling a vacuum to the right-of-centre...
On the other, he could be a ruthless tactician and staunch Brexiteer, biding his time while the Leave process stumbles along its inevitable course, ready to step into the breach when TM&Co have done the dirty work and discredited themselves.
He's clearly loyal to a fault, to the point that I personally feel he's very authentic, but I'm very anti-Brexit. He's one of the few politicians whose likeable-ness seems to transcend his politics, which could be very good if he creates a more positive mood around a process we're bound to, but could also be a lethal weapon if it's exploited by others in office.
I'm sure there will be many amongst us who despise him simply because he's moneyed and educated, but leaving those prejudices aside, what are other people's opinions of him?
I think his financial position - and a seemingly vocational bent when it comes to politics - put him in a position of strength, and his acumen, manners and professionalism make him a good roll model for a newly politicised younger generation.
So is he destined to be a loyal, affable, media-friendly back-bencher? Or is he destined for greater things?
A true man of the people.
Some folk you can never tire of slapping.
The labour party love him. Every time he opens his mouth, their share of the vote goes up.
Or is he destined for greater things?
No. See above.
I had the misfortune to see him interviewed on the telly about something, I'm not sure what it was as after about 10 seconds I wanted to put my foot through the box. Unbelievably arrogant was my first impression.
Thought this was going to be an obituary.
Carry on.
In fairness, he has an eye for a gag...
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He's a poisonous lump of condensed privilege in an affable Bertie Wooster wrapper. Sort of Boris-lite.
I believe he quite fancies enhancing Britain's post-Brexit competitiveness by embracing Indian-style employment conditions along with dumping environmental protections whenever convenient.
This again?
Didn't we bash JRM a few weeks ago?
Wouldn't it be better to just "cut and paste" the comments out of that thread.
I think I was on holiday that week... š
Consistently decries people claiming benefits as scroungers who should be sent back to the work house but is happy to [url= https://www.ft.com/content/d5efd3a0-b32f-11e6-a37c-f4a01f1b0fa1 ]accept Ā£7.6m of public money to do up his ancestral home.[/url],
Nasty piece of work with just enough charm to make the public forget just how much contempt he actually holds for them.
The further he's kept from the reigns of power the better.
He's right of Atilla the Hun - don't be fooled by his affable exterior.
A thoroughly unlikeable individual.
I'm sure there will be many amongst us who despise him simply because he's moneyed and educated
Sadly, yes and such people are toxic.
So is he destined to be a loyal, affable, media-friendly back-bencher?
Yes.
Well, true to form, the venomous element have demonstrated their intellect by proposing slapping or assaulting televisions... Very bright.
I guess that's the sad thing about the modern era - some people aren't clever enough to recognise different political opinions without wanting to inflict violence one those who form them. It's a tribal, football thug mentality.
One of the main points I was hoping to discuss is how a man who, despite being from a fairly privileged background (he made most of his money off his own bat might I add) has garnered a huge following amongst younger people.
And how a man who, to me and many others at least, seems quite likeable in spite of his having differing political opinions...
manners and professionalism make him a good roll model for a newly politicised younger generation.
Indeed.
The kids on our local estate speak of little else.
Take away the affectations and you have another right wing idealogue with no plan or intention of helping or caring about anyone apart from himself and those like him.
A dangerous distraction at best.
And how a man who, to me and many others at least, seems quite likeable in spite of his having differing political opinions...
That is quite rare and it was interesting the Rees-Mogg and Jess Phillips were paired up on TV - I don't agree with much ( any ? ) of her politics, but she comes across as genuine and likable.
but is happy to accept Ā£7.6m of public money to do up his ancestral home.,
That's a rather silly post! It [i]was[/i] his wife's family's home but is now owned by a trust who want to preserve it for future generations. He doesn't have anything to do with it!
Hang on minute....
You are actually Jacob Rees-Mogg, doing a spot of market research for a potential leadership bid, and I claim my gold monocle š
One of the main points I was hoping to discuss is how a man who, despite being from a fairly privileged background (he made most of his money off his own bat might I add) has garnered a huge following amongst younger people.
has he actually?
his voting record is against gay rights, for tuition fees, against financial support for 16-19 y/o's in education, against policies promoting human rights etc
ironic instagram pics aside, I struggle to see how he appeals to young people (or anyone else for that matter, but that's a different point)
I'm sure Adolf had his charming moments - doesn't make him someone I'd have a pint with.
Moggs background, for me, has f all to do with ether I like him or not. It's opinions I'm judging him on.
Every time I see him I do tend to think "As thick as mince" as someone else put it.
I used to respect him for making sure all Parliamentary rules, regulations, policies and procedures (no matter how archaic) were followed and implemented as they should be.
That was up until the triggering of article 50 legal challenge where he seemed to over look the process required.
Bell
End.
I've started to suspect he's being lined up to be the next Boris.
- Was considered a totally out of touch and ridiculous relic of a bygone era
- Started to appear on HIGNFY and other areas of popular culture
- Now (somehow) appears to be being perceived as lovably, quirky and potential leadership material
All hail marketing...
his voting record is against gay rights, for tuition fees, against financial support for 16-19 y/o's in education, against policies promoting human rights etc
I suspect his voting record is more representative of his loyalty to his Prime Minister than his personal views. And there's not a single member of the house who votes entirely with their own heart, completely independent to the whip!
I'm sure there will be many amongst us who despise him simply because he's moneyed and educated
I despise him because he is a staunch defender of entrenched privilege. In other words, a true conservative.
I suspect his voting record is more representative of his loyalty to his Prime Minister than his personal views
Can you back that up with fact or are you just guessing?...
councilof10 - Member
Well, true to form, the venomous element have demonstrated their intellect by proposing slapping or assaulting televisions... Very bright.
I guess that's the sad thing about the modern era - some people aren't clever enough to recognise different political opinions without wanting to inflict violence one those who form them. It's a tribal, football thug mentality.
Seems like you started the thread just so you could post that.
I notice you ignored his policies and voting record in your op.
Shall we concentrate on those for a while?
What do YOU think of his views and record?
Can you back that up with fact or are you just guessing?...
Probably, if I had the time or inclination. Can you produce proof to the contrary?
How about you tell us what you think of his policies and voting record?
Or are you just trolling for a reaction?
I await his Portilline conversion. Quite like him, despite not agreeing with with word he says. Minister for the 18th Century.
How about you tell us what you think of his policies and voting record?
The majority of the "controversial" votes are listed - and defended - right [url= http://www.skeptical-voter.org/wiki/index.php?title=Jacob_Rees-Mogg ]here.[/url]
On same sex marriage, he said "I'm a Roman Catholic, and have made it clear to my association, from very early on, that in this sort of matter I would take my whip from the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, rather than from the Government's whip's office."
So I think that reinforces that whilst some of his votes are at the behest of the whip, others are governed by his faith. I can't find any reason not to respect that.
Policies?
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/gran-who-doesnt-understand-politics-really-impressed-by-theresa-may-20170424126456 ]Seems like this is more the rationale at work here[/url]
So I think that reinforces that whilst some of his votes are at the behest of the whip, others are governed by his faith. I can't find any reason not to respect that.
So anything goes, as long as opinions are genuinely held?
So anything goes, as long as opinions are genuinely held?
That's why he was voted into parliament!
That's why he was voted into parliament!
You were talking about respect. I see no reason to respect someone whose opinions I find abhorrent, and palming off to the church is a cop out.
You agree with his political views?
That's nice.
You've asked what other's think of him.
I find his views abhorrent.
Satisfied?
Question answered?
Where now?
Would you like to make another assumption about why I dislike him, or would you like to discuss the views we disagree on?
Probably, if I had the time or inclination. Can you produce proof to the contrary?
I don't have to prove or disprove anything, I'm not the one making a statement.
The burden of proof is very much upon you..
I think he looks a bit like Hitler, that can't be a good thing can it....
So I think that reinforces that whilst some of his votes are at the behest of the whip, others are governed by his faith. I can't find any reason not to respect that.
You must be loving the DUP thing then? With their anti-dinosaur, gay burning views then?
You agree with his political views?
Nope, I respect them, but I certainly don't agree with them.
The main crux of my post was to discuss the implications of having a politician whose likeability and ability to engage the most improbable quarters of the population transcended his political views.
Possibly a bit too nuanced for some...
So I think that reinforces that whilst some of his votes are at the behest of the whip, others are governed by his faith. I can't find any reason not to respect that.
I'd prefer that a MP voted in the interests of the country and his constituency.
Someone in Whitehall recently referred to him as "the right honourable member for the early 20th Century," which just about sums him up. He seems to live in his own little bubble completely disconnected from the real world.
His oily demeanour and some of his comments make me want to kill kittens, but I'm not sure as it comes from a place of malice. I almost feel sorry for him.
Nope, I respect them, but I certainly don't agree with them.
I'm still curious as to why you find his views worthy of respect.
The main crux of my post was to discuss the implications of having a politician whose likeability and ability to engage the most improbable quarters of the population transcended his political views.
Simple.
See Trump or Brexit.
Where substance is ignored & being popular is what counts & bugger the consequences.
In a word: [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism ]Populism[/url]
