I'm glad I've never been in a position where I've had to make a decision based on this.
Ditto.
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This ones for councilof10,
quick look & the first 4 muslim MPs came to mind voting records....
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24958/rushanara_ali/bethnal_green_and_bow/votes
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24822/nadhim_zahawi/stratford-on-avon/votes
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11087/khalid_mahmood/birmingham,_perry_barr/votes
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11878/sadiq_khan/tooting/votes
now whos the biggot again?
awaits another urine related response
Hah!
https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html
You are seriously claiming that article supports a definitive 27 weeks? It's packed with detail about how hard it is to know!
However, let's go with your claim that 27 weeks is the definitive point where fetusses can feel pain and therefore the point where it's no longer ok to remove them.
That means you're agree with Rees Mogg that 24 weeks is not the appropriate point. The only difference is you think it's wrong one way and he thinks it's wrong the other way.
This ones for councilof10,
quick look & the first 4 muslim MPs came to mind voting records....
I think you need to go back and reread what I posted...
I think its probably best to be cautious....hence 24 werks.
.... its packed with detail you don't understand.... so you think the evidrnce doesnt support 27 weeks because you dont understand all the available evidence... but fMRI doesnt lie....
I think its probably brst to be cautious....
I'd have thought you'd argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to "carry and raise the child".
Instead you're arguing that caution lies with favoring the child's 'right' to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise?
zippykona - MemberFarron had to resign for being a Christian
No he didn't, he resigned after completely mishandling the issue, and refusing on several occasions to clarify his own position where his personal opinion runs counter to party policy, it was as much about credibility and competence as it was about faith.
Farron had to resign for being a Christian
No he didn't,
Yes he did, he stated exactly why he resigned:
Even so, I seem to be the subject of suspicion because of what I believe and who my faith is in.That's why I have chosen to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats."
'd have thought you'd argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to "carry and raise the child".Instead you're arguing that caution lies with favoring the child's 'right' to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise
I'd argue that as well, but Mogg doesnt care about women having to bring up children born out of rape. So I'm not arguing from that angle.
Yes he did, he stated exactly why he resigned:
Good.
Marx and the French had the right idea.
I'd have thought you'd argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to "carry and raise the child".Instead you're arguing that caution lies with favoring the child's 'right' to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise?
I'd argue that as well,
Yes, you probably would. 😀
Good.
I made no comment on whether it was good or bad. Merely that that was the reason.
the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how "right-on" they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.
Dont suppose you have any evidence for that? Also I wouldnt exactly call someone pushing those positions a moderate. Unless the alcohol laws was requiring everyone to drink.
apologies for my atrocious typing btw... I still dont get on with touchscreen phones. 😀
He shouldn't have a view on it. Nothing to do with him. The guys a ****
I'd love to take him to the Philippines, my wifes country - to show him what his beloved religion has done to the country and what it's family planning laws or lack of have done.
Someone posted this pic on Twitter, seems strangely appropriate for this discussion.
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joefm - Member
He shouldn't have a view on it. Nothing to do with him. The guys a ****
He's a politician, it's his job to have a view on things.
anyhow - I'm going to chill out now.... my wife/university sweethearts Visa renewal went through... i should be celebrating. Have a fun argument guys, Im flouncing for a bit.
His position is ridiculous! "I believe/do whatever the Pope says!" FFS
His position is ridiculous! "I believe/do whatever the Pope says!" FFS
Interesting, so you presumably support the repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829?
That is definitely the point they were making well spotted.
ninfan - MemberHis position is ridiculous! "I believe/do whatever the Pope says!" FFS
Interesting, so you presumably support the repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829?
No I dont but I expect people of whatever religion or organisation (unions etc) to be able to judge each issue on its merits rather than say "I just think what the boss tells me to"
I'm not reading the whole thread to check if already posted, but - in relation to the opening post - the current issue of Viz includes 'On the bog with Jacob Rees Mogg'.
No I dont but I expect people of whatever religion or organisation (unions etc) to be able to judge each issue on its merits rather than say "I just think what the boss tells me
Avoid politicians in general then (and their lackeys)
Mmm let's see...
Religious fundamentalist...
Extreme political views...
Use of complex language to mislead..
From a privileged background...
Sense of a higher purpose..
Osama Bin Mogg
The man is abhorrent and an affront to any decent human being.
So when he gets the leadership of the Tories and PM by default? as we all know Theresa ain't going to last, so you poor people better find someplace to hide as you lot are picking veg and waiting tables for less than the minimum wage as there are no foreigners allowed in.
Don't suppose the oppressed working poor expected any of this when they voted to get rid of the EU overlords. I just can't stop laughing, i really had over estimated the average bods intelligence in the UK. No wonder Nigerian Prince scams work.
If he was a moderate muslim, who voted in a similar way, maybe even voted against pro-alcohol laws; took a hard line on decency or pornography laws, the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how "right-on" they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.
Oh yeah.
That's definitely how it would go.
NOT.
Mogg is as out of touch with reality as Bin Laden was.
Fing tard.
The sooner he's PM the sooner the Tories will disappear up their own arses. His brand of bigotry has no place in the 21st C.
His brand of bigotry
Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion?
Indeed, one might suggest that the only people expressing any form Bigotry over this issue are those who [i]support[/i] abortion
I honestly thought nothing could top May but having that absolute drip of a man as PM really is what we deserve as the icing on the brexit cake.
Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion?
I think you need to look up the definition of bigotry....
Hint: aggression is not a prerequisite.....
Why am I not surprised to find Toryboi in Mogg's corner....
ninfan - Member
Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion
abortion is morally indefensible.
Sounds pretty hostile 🙄
Indeed, one might suggest that the only people expressing any form Bigotry over this issue are those who support abortion
That goes without saying - have you forgotten the Marie Stopes thread?
JRM comments - at least as reported, since I haven't hard them first hand - made his views on how other people's views should be treated very clear. The contrast is marked but unsurprising.
councilof10 - MemberIf he was a moderate muslim, who voted in a similar way, maybe even voted against pro-alcohol laws; took a hard line on decency or pornography laws, the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how "right-on" they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.
The reason people are so intolerant of Mogg's views aren't because he's a Catholic, it's because he's posh!
Like I said, bigots. Bitter little bigots.
What a lot of utter shite.
The reason for me is because [u]his[/u] views are intolerant and he is a conceited twerp.
The fact he is playing the panto Tory "boooo, hisssss" to boost his profile should be laughable, but the level of political discourse that actually influences the public is now so puerile that it is actually getting him where he wants to be.
Sounds pretty hostile
his views are intolerant
Sounds like you have responded to a newspaper headline rather than watching the actual interview
Complete [u]lack[/u] of any hostility or intolerance.
The only hostility and intolerance is from those who disagree with him.
As he says:
"It's all very well to say we live in a multicultural country until you hold the traditional views of the Catholic church, and that seems to me fundamentally wrong, people are entitled to hold these views, but also the Democratic majority is entitled to have the laws of the land as they are, which do not go with the teaching of the Catholic church, and will not go with the teaching of the Catholic church"
Indeed!
Why am I not surprised to find Toryboi in Mogg's corner....
Personal insults to the fore, no surprise
Lefty never voting Tory STWers revel in insulthing those with differemt views, bigotry indeed
Lefty never voting Tory STWers revel in insulthing those with differemt views, bigotry indeed
You too?
Quelle surprise.....
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He has a point though, whats the point in democracy if you're going to waste dicourse on ad homien mud slinging?
That and it's surely one of the central pillars of a liberal democracy that people are allowed to think things but allow the majority to form the decisions?
That and it's surely one of the central pillars of a liberal democracy that people are allowed to think things but allow the majority to form the decisions?
Indeed.
But don't be surprised when such an abhorrent stances is met with an equally strong opposition.
Newton's 3rd.
And someone had to stand up for the defenceless - they have no other voice
