SOME Muslims hate Jews; SOME Jews hate Muslims. In reality, most actually get along fine, as do Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists.
It's the Buddhists I can't stand
It was never going to go well from the off. Whoever thought you could just create a new country, by force, in someone else's territory - that's hardly going to end well.........
US of A, New Zealand, Australia, there are others. Went well for some, not so well for others
It's the Buddhists I can't stand
Me too. It's al that pacifism nonsense that really winds me up.
Yeah big divide in Israel at the moment - particularly because a high proportion of those that hold the most extreme views also have exemptions from military service because they do religious studies (they dont work either)...so they ramp up the rhetoric, act like a bunch of dicks in the settlements, but then disappear back to their religious studies when the shit hits the fan again.
The most worrying thing is that the birthrate amongst the ultra orthodox is huge compared to the rest of Israeli society (over 3 times the average) of so is likely going to be a bigger problem in the future.
Not if the arab world get round to using biological weapons, especailly the sort that can be genetically targeted against jews...
BTW all this recent stuff is probably the Israeli government stirring things up to seem strong before the upcoming election.
You mean the Israeli's stirring things up before they drop bombs on Iran!
The most worrying thing is that the birthrate amongst the ultra orthodox is huge compared to the rest of Israeli society (over 3 times the average) of so is likely going to be a bigger problem in the future
now that really is a sweeping statement and incredibly stupid thing to say...
but aren't ultra-orthodox jews mostly anti-zionism?
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and in fact, some are acvtually opposed to the existence of the state of Israel completely:
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http://www.gadling.com/2012/06/13/ultra-orthodox-jews-suspected-of-vandalizing-jerusalem-holocaust/
So, why would the increase in births amongst ultra-orthodox Jews be 'worrying'?
Not if the arab world get round to using biological weapons, especailly the sort that can be genetically targeted against jews...
reminded me of this, for some reason...
“From a Jew’s face
The wicked Devil speaks to us,
The Devil who, in every country,
Is known as an evil plague.Would we from the Jew be free,
Again be cheeful and happy,
Then must youth fight with us
To get rid of the Jewish Devil.”
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If you're interested in reading some first hand accounts of the situation in Israel/Palestine from an independent journalist I'd recommend
http://jodymcintyre.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/week-38-waiting-for-eviction/
independent journalist
Independent? That would imply he has no particular bias, I assume?
He certainly loves the sound of his own voice, but journalist? Hmm. Not sure.
Or perhaps you simply omitted to make this point clear.
Or perhaps you're just a bit thick. "The Jewish Problem" is, as perhaps you failed to recognise, sourced in Nazi propaganda.
This is, of course, [i]exactly[/i] the sort of thing I would support, isn't it?
No? What could I POSSIBLY have meant, then? 🙄
Or perhaps you're just a bit thick.
Oh right; so you make a statement without any hint as to it's intended irony, and i'm 'a bit thick'. Or possibly it's you who have difficulty in communicating clearly what you actually meant; that at least one other person also failed to spot your apprent irony, suggests that this is more likely the case. You see, I have no idea what your intention is with such a statement.
This is, of course, exactly the sort of thing I would support, isn't it?No? What could I POSSIBLY have meant, then?
I don't know you from Adam, so I have no idea what your personal philosophies are. And given the level of ignorance displayed by some on this thread and many on this forum, it's entirely reasonable of me and indeed anyone esle, to take your comments literally. For all I know you could well be an anti-semite.
Perhaps in future you would be wise to make it clear to us 'thick' people, exactly what it is that you actually meant.
Independent? That would imply he has no particular bias, I assume?
So the Jewish Chronical would have no agenda against a person they consider to have 'a long history of anti-Israel and anti-western activism' then? Two sides.
You see, that article foreits it's own 'objectiveity' with irrelevant nonsense such as this:
Mr McIntyre, 20, who despite his presence at the university fees demonstration is not a student
So only those who are students are allowed to attend a demonstration which was protesting against something which will have a lasting, potentially very negative iompact on society? good sto see that JC 'journalist' being such an upstanding suporter of democracy and freedom of speech then (that's irony by the way in case anyone thought i was in fact serius).
Lot of bollocks being spouted on all sides. Somewhere in amongst it all, might be something of actual value. Not imediately apparent though.
Don't be having a go at the wopster. Say what you like about the tenets of national socialism, Mike. At least its an ethos. 😉
And do you know here can I get one of those big furry frisbee hats from? They look well cool! And toasty warm too! A win/win. Though I hope they're not real fur. That could sway my opinion towards the Palestinians 😀
Lot of bollocks being spouted on all sides. Somewhere in amongst it all, might be something of actual value. Not imediately apparent though.
I speak value 😉
Lot of bollocks being spouted on all sides. Somewhere in amongst it all, might be something of actual value. Not imediately apparent though.
This:
Joe - MemberThe more I work in the region, the more I have completely irrational thoughts that the only solution might well be to annihilate the entire population of the region running from the Mediterranean coast of Lebanon/Israel and ending somewhere off the coast of Bahrain/Qatar.
It's a silly thing to say (of course) and I don't actually think that it's a sensible solution, yet the more time I spend in the Middle East the more I feel that the culture which pervades the entire region is one of utter menace and brutality.
Nothing will or can come good of the Middle East in the next 50 years.
Israel will always assert its right to defend itself, as any other "western" country in the world would also. Palestinians with good cause will continue to fight for what they perceive to be their own land, and the idea of a two state solution is quite silly. If you can bear to look at the issue from both sides (and not just to a STW style...* the Israelis...* the Palestinians type of thing) then you will realize that neither side is right, nor is either side wrong and that there is no solution which is satisfactory in the slightest bit to either party...so leave your western logic at home.
Further North in Lebanon and Syria, there will never be an end to sectarianism, as long as Iran and Saudi continue to fight proxy wars in the world.
In most of the rest of the region rising salafism will drive further mindless savagery against anyone who opposes it.
Sad outlook...but think back to this post in 20 years.
now that really is a sweeping statement and incredibly stupid thing to say...
As opposed to your original thought on this thread of "Israel well done"?
but aren't ultra-orthodox jews mostly anti-zionism?and in fact, some are acvtually opposed to the existence of the state of Israel completely
So, why would the increase in births amongst ultra-orthodox Jews be 'worrying'?
Historically yes (and for those outside Israel probably still the case) and a sub section like Neturei Karta are still very anti-Zionist but much of the growth in settlements in the last couple of decades is from the ultra orthodox along with the Russians, Americans etc.
It is worrying because the growth of any group with an extreme and/or literalist form of religion is a worrying development - particularly when they are a part of a conflict where negotiation and compromise between both parties is going to need to happen if there is ever to be peace.
As a Jew I find the some of the statements in this thread about who I hate and who hates me to be distasteful in the extreme. As well as wrong.
Head slapping shouty Islamists = bad
Zionist land grabbers = bad
MTB = good
My work here is done.
Can anybody point to a good 'idiots guide' to the situation and background there. would love to try and understand it a bit better
1. We used to own everything.
2. The (2 sets of) natives started getting uppity about this, as one set said God gave it to them, the other said Allah gave it to them. Both reckoned that nobody gave it to some people from Buckinghamshire!
3. As one set of the natives had had a bit of a time of it of late, due to that bloke with the tache, we gave it to them (this may have involved them being terrorists, but nobody mentions that anymore. Sssssssssssh!)
4. The other set of natives took umbridge at this gift from the British Empire, as they reckon it was their gift from Allah
5. They get their mates, who also had gifts of land from Allah, and some heavy weapons (possibly from Allah, maybe not?) to royally kick off
6. They've been scrapping ever since
Jesus Wept.
Can anybody point to a good 'idiots guide'
An lo; Binners is the provider.
(If you'd like some actual information that's not written by an idiot, the internet is a wonderful resource)
Just out of interest Binners; is that genunely how you see things? Or simply more part of the 'igniorant blinkered man in the pub' persona you seem so keen to promote on here?
That's genuinely what i think. If anything, I thought I'd overdone the embellishment. But the English language is a beautiful thing and sometimes I get carried away
Anyway... If you'd care to point out where that is factually inaccurate Michael.....?
An lo; Binners is the provider
That's certainly one word for him.
That's genuinely what i think
to reiterate: Jesus wept.
If you'd care to point out where that is factually inaccurate Michael.....?
Just this teeny bit actually:
1. We used to own everything.2. The (2 sets of) natives started getting uppity about this, as one set said God gave it to them, the other said Allah gave it to them. Both reckoned that nobody gave it to some people from Buckinghamshire!
3. As one set of the natives had had a bit of a time of it of late, due to that bloke with the tache, we gave it to them (this may have involved them being terrorists, but nobody mentions that anymore. Sssssssssssh!)
4. The other set of natives took umbridge at this gift from the British Empire, as they reckon it was their gift from Allah
5. They get their mates, who also had gifts of land from Allah, and some heavy weapons (possibly from Allah, maybe not?) to royally kick off
6. They've been scrapping ever since
We basically took a chunk of land from the Palestinians, gave them some money and said 'These are your new neighbours, like it or lump it'.
Did the Israelis not then decided they wanted more land and start invading the bit we gave to the Palestinians? Is that not what the Arabs are more upset about?
Thread must on countdown to closure surely
I stand by my assertion that this is both a succinct and accurate depiction. I've clearly missed my true vocation in life. Simon Schama could learn a thing or two here. He may even be enviously reading this
Are there any other periods in history that are a bit hazy, that you'd like me to offer my insight into Michael?
How about the repeal of the corn laws?
Binners and Fred, sitting in a tree......
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mike - any danger of a succinct, bullet pointed version from your side? Quite interested to see this binners vs. mikeconnor thing play out
... with accompanying emoticons and mockney spelling...
That's a bit vague Woppit, to be honest. I was very young at the time
Yeah Mike/Fred! You're happy dissing my (staggeringly accurate and beautifully structured) version. Lets have your version then.....
Your silence speaks volumes Michael. Now.... the Russian Revolution.....
Yeah Mike/Fred! You're happy dissing my (staggeringly accurate and beautifully structured) version. Lets have your version then.....
I don't think I could ever compete with your incredibly enlightened and knowlegable intellect. I bow down to your obvious superiority.
Also, I doubt I could ever educate someone so deeply entrenched in their own beliefs. that, and i really can't be bothered. Plus it's amusing to read your ramblings, a little like watching a dog barking at it's own reflection.
I actually do that if you give me Tequila! 😀
Pukka, Cap'n, pukka.
Binners has a point, the world generally ran more smoothly when Britain oversaw what was going on....i'm convinced that some countries and their inhabitants can't govern themselves and should never have become independent....look at the toilet that Africa has become since Britain left.
Sadly we don't have the military might anymore to implement a second round of Empire.
That is tremendous trolling deviant.
Exactly Deviant! Just look at ****stan. If we were still in charge, there be none of this shouty, blowy-uppy, beardiness going on. Unless you were W.C. Grace in a particularly bad mood
The whole planet has gone to the dogs. We're going to hell in a hand-basket etc etc
So why do you dislike Israel then ?
Are the USA/UK any better ? Do you dislike them as much ? Both countries have no qualms about doing the same as Israel and would and do...