[Closed] Israel well done...

shush! or you'll wake up kaesae!

ultimately they all hate the western world

You've obviously never been to the middle east!

Lovely people, and lovely countries. Just a few extremists (as have every country).

Have been many times...

Just a few extremists (as have every country). This is true...take the "all" back...

Also, you do know that Israel was created by in the 20th Century (with Britain's help). We basically took a chunk of land from the Palestinians, gave them some money and said 'These are your new neighbours, like it or lump it'. You might feel a bit peeved if someone came along and did that to your home town / country, especially if the new neighbours kept deciding they wanted more land, but couldn't even be bothered to offer money for it and just rolled in a few tanks and took what they wanted.....

It's far from black and white in the middle east - and Israel hold the record for UN decrees against it for it's aggressive behaviour and land stealing.....

I know all the history...thanks

land stealing....britain was good at that as well...

Israel arent angels but the UN and its resolutions can go take a running jump. You want something approved by the Security Council? Better go cap in hand to Putin's Politburo and the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.

How ARE we going to solve "The Jewish Problem", eh?

I know all the history...thanks

Well your initial post came across as if you had no idea about the ME and just wanted to start sh*t stirring.

How ARE we going to solve "The Jewish Problem", eh? -thats a bit off mate !

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not at all...proud of my roots etc...

like the rest of the world are any better...North Korea china french british to name but a few...

unfitgeezer - Member

How ARE we going to solve "The Jewish Problem", eh? -thats a bit off mate !

Not to some on STW Forum, it would seem...

then they are all racist ??!?! how do they feel about other religions ???? mmmm

My main issue with the conflict is the moment anyone shows any degree of sympathy for the Palestinian's plight, they are labelled as terrorist sympathisers and anti semitic.

I personally have nothing against any individual regardless of their religion or skin colour - but over the years the Israeli actions against the Palestinians are pretty disproportionate - compare the number of casualties on both sides.

The Palestinians are oppressed 24/7 - being treated like livestock, denied access to medical supplies and forced to go through checkpoint after checkpoint at gun point just to function in every day life. I'm sure if the same conditions were imposed on people from this country then some of us would retaliate. I'm not justifying the Palestinian actions - any loss of life is totally inexcusable - however the extremists only launch rockets and commit acts of terrorism in what they see as a last resort.

I personally have nothing against any individual regardless of their religion

That's jolly good. Shame all the people in the conflict aren't like you - religion being the WHOLE of the problem.

As usual.

There is nothing more dangerous than someone who has nothing to lose and most Palestinians fall into that category....

The Palestinians are oppressed 24/7 - being treated like livestock, denied access to medical supplies and forced to go through checkpoint after checkpoint at gun point just to function in every day life. I'm sure if the same conditions were imposed on people from this country then some of us would retaliate. I'm not justifying the Palestinian actions - any loss of life is totally inexcusable - however the extremists only launch rockets and commit acts of terrorism in what they see as a last resort.

and you read this where...? i know for a fact that the non extrimists get along very well...even working together in hospitals...

religion being the WHOLE of the problem.

Hardly, religion is just their flavour of politics.

It was never going to go well from the off. Whoever thought you could just create a new country, by force, in someone else's territory - that's hardly going to end well.........

The whole thing is such a mess.

On the one hand I have a huge amount of sympathy for the Jewish people after the second world war - what they went through was unimaginable and I can see why they behave as they do. On the other hand, I have a huge amount of sympathy for the Palestinians who have got a very bum deal out of the creation of the state of Israel and continue to suffer massively every day.

Muslims hate Jews. Jews hate Muslims.

Of course - just politics...

Muslims hate Jews. Jews hate Muslims.

Hmm, ever been there and talked to them about it? I've worked there and most Jewish people are appalled by how their government behaves on occasion (which did surprise me).

After the war, efforts we're made to partition the region known as Palestine into a Jewish territory and an Arab territory. The Jews accepted the proposal but the Arabs rejected it and war ensued....Israel was then declared in 1948.
Foolish decision by the Arab leaders at the time, how much different would things have been if both parties had agreed on that deal?

Foolish decision by the Arab leaders at the time

Hardly a fair deal though if you're Arab? It's like offering you a 50% pay cut in return for nothing. I can sort of see why they weren't keen at the time.

Even so, if Israel had stuck to the original borders, there would be a lot less trouble.....

Having been to Israel, Saudi, Jordon and Eygpt in the last few months I can say that most people I have met are just trying to get on with their lives and they don't particularly hate their "enemies" they just distrust them. I haven't been to Gaza etc which is probably more extreme.

BTW all this recent stuff is probably the Israeli government stirring things up to seem strong before the upcoming election.

Of all the places I've worked in, the ME is by far my favourite, the people are just so nice and warm.

How ARE we going to solve "The Jewish Problem", eh?

It's not a 'Jewish problem'.

Muslims hate Jews. Jews hate Muslims.

SOME Muslims hate Jews; SOME Jews hate Muslims. In reality, most actually get along fine, as do Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists.

To reduce the situation of the situation between Israel and Palestine to a 'Jewish Problem' is staggeringly ignorant and dismissive of all other factors involved in the conflict.

Most Jews I know hate the actions of the Israeli military against Palestinians.

Most Muslims I know abhor the actions of extreme fundamentalists.

And all the people I choose to associate with agree that we should all try to get along irrespective of our differences.

But continue to generalise if you want. Just don't expect anyone to take your views seriously.

After the war, efforts we're made to partition the region known as Palestine into a Jewish territory and an Arab territory. The Jews accepted the proposal but the Arabs rejected it and war ensued....Israel was then declared in 1948.

**** me, that's an interesting interpretation. Do you for for the Israeli propaganda department? If not you ought to!

footflaps - Member
Also, you do know that Israel was created by in the 20th Century (with Britain's help). We basically took a chunk of land from the Palestinians, gave them some money and said 'These are your new neighbours, like it or lump it'. You might feel a bit peeved if someone came along and did that to your home town / country, especially if the new neighbours kept deciding they wanted more land,

Is this England you're refering to or Palestine/Israel? It sounds very much like Britain with it's ever increasing imposed immigrant population and the "like it or lump it" attitude that goes with it.

I say just ban all religion, it's only tosh so people don't worry so much about dying anyway yet it's used to justify the worst of mankind's abuses

Mankind = maggots ... 😆

After the war, efforts we're made to partition the region known as Palestine into a Jewish territory and an Arab territory. The Jews accepted the proposal but the Arabs rejected it and war ensued....Israel was then declared in 1948.
Foolish decision by the Arab leaders at the time, how much different would things have been if both parties had agreed on that deal?

More like; the Arabs were told 'this is what's happening and you have no say in the matter, like it or lump it'. Harldy a genuine negotiation where both parties were happy at the outcome. 'We're taking this land and that's that'. Not exactly a 'negotiation'.

Guesss what? They didn't like it. and we are where we are.

How can we be sure this isn't all just a clever cross-platform marketing stunt for the current series of 'Homeland'?

Religion / Politics / Tribalism, it's all the same thing, just the details of how different groups define themselves. Both Judaism and Islam and fundamentally peaceful religions, just that each camp has extremists who interpret things in a violent way to justify their behaviour.

mikeconnor - Member

How ARE we going to solve "The Jewish Problem", eh?

It's not a 'Jewish problem'.

Yes. I know. 🙄

Mankind = maggots

Unfair. Maggots at least serve a function by turning dead flesh into organic matter which provides nutrients for other organisms.

humans seem to do the opposite.

Life isn't fair, the winners usually have the biggest guns.
I say nuke the region and start again.

mikeconnor - Member

Are you an American? You don't seem to understand irony.

I say nuke the region and start again.

As I've already mentioned; nuking the USA would have a far greater positive global impact.

Are you an American? You don't seem to understand irony.

see my above comment.

Irony? sorry, I must have missed the tone of voice in your comment. Or perhaps you simply omitted to make this point clear.

I am sure its just a coincidence that this happened just after the US election......

Also its not a Jewish problem, its a Zionist and greed problem. You can't blame all the Jewish for a minority of nutters who happen to hold all the power. Most are just normal people, who want to get on with there lives.

Also its not a Jewish problem, its a Zionist and greed problem.

Speaking to 'normal' Israelis, they said their government was being held to ransom by an extreme minority (ransom being votes), who disproportionally dictated a very anti-Palestinian rhetoric.

That my understanding of the situation as well.

I said it on the other thread. Arm them all to the teeth, nukes, biological weapons, the whole shooting match.

Then tell Ahmadinejad that Benjamin Netanyahu was peaking under his missus's Burkha and said she had a fat arse. Simply stand back and watch them wipe each other of the face of the earth, with UN giving it a sort of half-hearted "Leave it Darren! He's not worth it!" type routine.

Then we can start pumping the oil out and turn it into a big sandy theme park without any of the far-too-highly-strung natives, behaving in their usual frightful manner, detonating their suicide belts all over the shop. And we can all go and have a go at this....

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