But do you really think .....
It's got bugger all to do with what I think. The CPSU was far-left by the accepted definition of the term. I do not get to define what a term means anymore than you do.
so far left includes the creation of a special class of people with privilege that is not available to the masses?
Hmm - I must read Das kapital again to see where Marx said that 🙂
Maybe from 1917 – 1939 it was closer
You mean the USSR was more authetically left wing during the years of ethnic cleansing (and subsequent mass deaths) of Koreans, Yezhovschina, the Holodomor, purges, and "Trotskyite-Zinovievite" show trials? Kinell, that's the worst No True Scotsman Socialist argument I've ever heard.
Fair enough.
I must read Das kapital again
I struggle to believe that someone who was apparently oblivious to Stalin's pre-World War 2 purges has read Das Kapital. Have you read it just the once?
😉
Aye - and yonks ago Like 40 years ago. got my dates confused over the purges.
If the belt buckle was custom made, as claimed, I think it is reasonable to assume that he fully understands the meaning of the insignia.
Yeah, reading again it's part of a collaboration piece showcasing small volume artisans, like he's some kind of Aryan race influencer... 🙄 He's having a leather belt made to pair with the buckle that "follows the same theme".
I had a look at the Instagram of the guy who made the buckle to see if he was of that type (he appears to be), turns out my mate has also bought a Viking axe necklace pendant and had the double lightning stamped into it too.
Definitely not getting an innocent "that's a catchy design, I like it" vibe about the whole thing. I'll bring it up the next time I see him, find out which of the Schutzstaffel deeds he admires the most.
At this point, if it were me I'd be questioning "mate." I'm not stuck for friends and I'm a higher-functioning sociopath.
Why would anyone put up with this shit? "Yes but he's a fr..." nah, **** him, he's a Nazi sympathiser. Go hang out with people who aren't c**ts.
You let someone like that into your home, professional clean asap.
I'd be referring him to the deradicalisation hotline*.
If he was once "normal" enough to be a mate, something/someone has pushed him down this route, and it might be possible he can turn back again. Or at least he might end up on the security services radar.
*Yes, I know its a much criticised scheme, but pretty much all we've got.
Yeah, reading again it’s part of a collaboration piece...
Not the first time there have been Nazi collaborators...
So 20 minutes ago I read this thread, and just now STW served me an advert for pro-gun clothing.
Coincidence or not?
What did you buy
What on earth is "pro-gun clothing"? A tee-shirt reading "I ❤ guns, me"?
What on earth is “pro-gun clothing”?
Stuff like this?
It's a MAGA tee-shirt. Anyone who wants to make America great again loves America and is therefore is pro-gun. Simples
Perhaps I should have screen-grabbed, but it was basically a T-shirt with what I think were some AK47 rifles and a slogan like "I don't take gun control advice from a government than armed the Taliban".
It’s a MAGA tee-shirt. Anyone who wants to make America great again loves America and is therefore is pro-gun. Simples
We may have seen different adverts? Unless you're trying to be funny?
Stuff like this?
That's actually a Proud Boys tee, so it's not so much pro-gun as pro-fascist...
We may have seen different adverts? Unless you’re trying to be funny?
I'm not seeing any adverts, and no, my comment with regards to loving America equating with being pro-gun wasn't supposed to be taken entirely seriously.
Back in the mid noughties, they did a poll in Austria where 60% of people said they had fascist sympathies.
Hofer nearly was elected with 49.3% of the vote. Then there was Joerg Haider in the ’90s.
Would that stop you buying anything Austrian?
Possibly...bearing in mind the actions of one of Austria's most (in)famous sons?
Back in the mid noughties, they did a poll in Austria where 60% of people said they had fascist sympathies.
Was that a poll of the entire country or the usual subset and extrapolate nonsense?
What motorbike does he ride?
I bet it's early 2000s, noisy 4 into 1,no rear mudguard, highish bars with a brace across it and some high end but shagged rear shocks.
Maybe I saw that T-shirt advert because they'd paid for "fascist closet" and related keywords.
That's a joke for the SEO heads.
I am very glad that I pass judgement on people who might openly display signs of being neo-Nazis.
That has had my Twitter feed suspended twice recently, once was for a post to MTG, after one of her typically vile, and hateful tweets.
I let it sit there for a couple of weeks then deleted it. I don’t use Twitter much anyway because I’d be permanently suspended.
Well its obviously a facetious point but I do not see totalitarian states as left wing.
North Korea isn’t Left Wing? Well, that’s a surprise to me. Then there was the Khmer Rouge, I think there might be a clue in the name, somewhere. Oh, and then there was Sendoro Illuminoso…
…Although they weren’t a State, more an extreme Communist group of terrorists.
North Korea isn’t Left Wing? Well, that’s a surprise to me.
You're going to be even more surprised when you discover they have the word 'Democratic' in their official name.
Just because it says it's something does not make it so. It is no more a peoples republic than it is democratic.
I let it sit there for a couple of weeks then deleted it. I don’t use Twitter much anyway because I’d be permanently suspended.
Yeah, I'm on my 4th or 5th account.
Calling out right wingers/fascists/techbros/oligarchs tends to get you deleted/suspended/blocked in very short order.
Pointing out hypocrisy and bad behaviour from yoghurt knitting lefties and green do gooders tends to either get ignored or a response/apology of sorts.
Wonder who the real snowflakes are.
We always knew who the real snowflakes were.
Often those who are most in favour of ‘free speech’ are the thinnest skinned - Alastair Stewart being a prime example.
You’re going to be even more surprised when you discover they have the word ‘Democratic’ in their official name.
Just because it says it’s something does not make it so. It is no more a peoples republic than it is democratic.
CountZero didn't refer to North Korea's official name at all.
Are you, too, denying that North Korea is a left wing regime?
denying that North Korea is a left wing regime?
Once you get a totalitarian state to that point, I don't think conventional political descriptions are of any use
Thats partly my point and also that the creation of an elite with special privilege is a long way from the teachings of Marx and Engels
That’s a joke for the SEO heads.
Lol at the tumbleweed.
I must read Das kapital again to see where Marx said that
I have 2000AD on my book shelves.No Marxism.
Mind you, they both are directed towards totalitarian regimes.
Thats partly my point and also that the creation of an elite with special privilege is a long way from the teachings of Marx and Engels
Which no doubt helps to explain why North Korea removed all references to communism from its constitution many years. Even a regime renowned for its bullshitting and blatant dishonesty couldn't maintain that ridiculous pretence.
It doesn't even maintain the leading role of the working-class in its constitution but instead that of the military.
The terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' only really apply in political systems where more than one wing is permitted. As soon as a purportedly left wing/communist/socialist/democratic government starts putting its political opponents in gulags, they are by default simply totalitarian/fascist.
Aye. Its the old " you can put a cat in a kennel and call it rover but it will never be a dog"
How does it self-identify?
I think of it as a circle rather than a continuum - the far left and far right loop around and meet at the far side
they are by default simply totalitarian/fascist.
Fascism is a right wing ideology. Totalitarianism on the other hand is simply a means of exercising power - it is not an ideology in itself. This is why you can gave both right wing and left wing totalitarian regimes.
Unless of course you also deny that Hitler was right wing, which is self-evidently absurd.
Some of these posts are like reading Animal Farm without the animals. Marxist ideals are great in principle and as a philosophical debate. They fall on their arse when they hit people though because people are generally dicks. Everyone’s equal except for the pigs.
I find it difficult to see the difference in extreme regimes. Dictatorship, facist, totalitarian etc. They all seem to have one thing in common. A ****ing nutter in charge, normally with a moustache and questionable hairstyle.
They all seem to have one thing in common. A **** nutter in charge, normally with a moustache and/or questionable hairstyle.
Are you, too, denying that North Korea is a left wing regime?
Let's see, a totalitarian 3 class state (prole, elite, deity status) where the rich enjoy great privilege and freedoms unavailable to the lower classes. Yes, I am. North Korea has enjoyed communist support but AFAIK went their seperate idealogical ways before the ceasefire was even declared.
Are you one of those people who claim the Nazis were socialists as well?
Some of these posts are like reading Animal Farm without the animals.
In what way are "some of these posts" like reading Animal Farm?
This thread is about the desirability of allowing someone who proudly flaunts their custom-made belt buckle with a Nazi SS insignia into your home to do some work.
It somehow got sidetracked into whether a communist party is left-wing, despite the self-evident fact that it clearly is - in respect to the accepted definition of the term.
How is this resembling a George Orwell novel? It's not obvious to me.
How is this resembling a George Orwell novel? It’s not obvious to me.
Well the DPRK certainly has more than a whiff of 1984 to it.
In discussing the failings of supposed left wing regimes due to the actions of the few/elite being contradictory to the founding principles of left wing ideology.
They aren’t really left or right. Moustache and/or bad haircut regimes is what they are.
The thread has gone rather off track hasn’t it?
Back to the OP
