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Personally I did not actually think it was that bad an idea as 100k is still a fair chunk of cash for most folk.
Indeed, now shes proposing a cap
so if you are unlucky enough to get a high care cost illness- like dementia that can go on for decades- and your assets are below the cap that she's setting then you loose everything.
If you are wealthy then all your assets above the cap are protected.
May has turned a reasonable idea into a punishment for the poorest while protecting the wealthiest !
That said they really must be regretting using strong and stable as a slogan as whatever we wish to describe this as it is not that.
Strong and stable refers to the smell of horse manure as the hunt heads off for the fox. 😉
Speaking of fox, has anyone seen Liam. Are we sure that May coming out in favour of fox hunting referred to quadrupeds and not dodgy doctors?
Kimbers its a cap on the amount spent on care - so everyone gets a minimum of £100 000 left and there will be a maximum you can pay say £250000. so have a house worth 500 000 you get 250 000 left
Fox is happy,
shutting down the serious fraud office means he's busy drawing up arms contracts and bribes for some of the world's dodgiest regimes
Fox is happy,
Even in the Tory party, I imagine there are a fair number of people who think Fox is a total roaster.
Breaking my rule of not posting on politics threads any more - May is dying on her arse on BBC right now. She's like a haunted robot.
She's like a haunted robot.
"Haunted Robot" - good name for my new band...
May is dying on her arse on BBC right now.
That's no surprise though given her atrocious record in previous positions, [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/what-does-theresa-mays-record-as-home-secretary-tell-us ]such as Home Secretary[/url]
I imagine she's wearing her steel toe capped shoes to give her aides and advisors a kick in the nads/chuff afterwards
And May was being touted by the right wingers as some sort of great leader....
Andrew Neil was going easy on her too
No wonder she womt debate with Corbyn
Answer the man.
"Haunted Robot" - good name for my new band...
They've already done a Peel Session in 1987
In used to think that Dave looked tetchy whenever the common peasantry had the audacity to question him, but Kim Jong May looks like she is genuinely compiling lists for post-election death squads
Meanwhile [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-40002800/man-arrested-after-protesting-against-fox-hunting-at-theresa-may-event ]Earlier in Wrexham[/url] rounding up the dangerous subversives.
How she can have any credibility whilst Boris is still FS is a real measure,
after the cheating this weekend he should be out of a job.
It may be all a jolly laugh to some but integrity is paramount in that job
and he is a disgrace to his office and the UK.
I get the impression that honeymoon time with the media has finished for TM. One always felt she was not good at communicating, now it's obvious. I wonder, if I'm right, what was the trigger.
I also thought Andrew Neil was going a bit easy on her.
Watching the Andrew Neil thing and I kindof feel sorry for her, she's performing pretty well at appearing to be confident whilst clearly having a shocker...
I'm wondering how she ended up being PM, was it misjudged overambition or has she been pushed into it because Leadsom wasn't favoured and everyone else was hiding in the corner, cos who'd be daft enough to try and navigate us through the tragedy that is Brexit.
All her u-turns, her control freakery and use of a tight team of trusted advisers and her pro remain speech last year suggest to me she's been forced into being PM cos she wasn't smart enough to get out of the way during the leadership election...
Question is, who will be gone first, her or Trump?
pennine - Member
I also thought Andrew Neil was going a bit easy on her.
It was like he pitied her
shes bricking it
https://twitter.com/crookedfiction/status/857676144937758721
She stuck in there as Home Sec* for so long. It was always a possible poisoned chalice, though not as bad as Min Health. I'd thought she was a stalking horse, ie expendable, but no-one else stood subsequently. As you say.
So we're stuck with her.
*In case you aren't aware, to the disgust of front-line cops, see her reception at the Police Fed. Conf.
Trump, by a whisker, I feel.
there because others were hated more than her and she was the least worst rather than the bestI'm wondering how she ended up being PM, was it misjudged overambition or has she been pushed into it
PM Gove or Boris anyone?
I'm wondering how she ended up being PM, was it misjudged overambition
I think she is similar to Brown. Always had an eye on the top job and so couldnt avoid the temptation to grab it. Even though by the time it was an option its a bit of a poisoned chalice and it would have been better to skip it.
She's appointed people to help her who are not the sharpest knives in the block: Boris Johnson, David Davis, Dr Liam Fox, Jeremy Hunt. That seemed smart at the time, but perhaps it will come back to bite her.
I'm sure the Conservatives will still win though.
Kimbers...
Craig Murray analyses her on his blog...
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/the-art-of-negotiation/
... he thinks it bodes ill for negotiating. If she last that long.
Just watched that, she was patchy but probably did enough.
Far too much made up stuff about the other parties though. Is it about time can we had a yellow and red card system in these things like sport?
i know its politics and and you get spin, straw men, the odd miss spoke, tricks of language, etc. etc. but can somebody not be totting up the half truths or lies about other parties policies and once its reached a certain level issue a card 2 half truths = yellow and final warning, next one you're off? outright lie straight red?
it pees me off and its all political parties who do it.
Hilarious interview.
"We propose to deal with this now because we have to deal with it now because reasons."
So no clue then T...
Swap 'who threw that stone?' for 'who wants to be PM right now?' and I can picture how May became our PM...
Was talking to a customer last week, an investment manager for a fairly big company in Wakefield. He made a very off hand comment that "we're all set for when Labour win". I pulled him up on it, basically saying I thought The Tories were all set to walk it, not according to him they're not. He's a Tory voter but is absolutely adamant that Labour will win, said that all the investment firms in the area and people in his network think the same, reckons the London bias of the media has vastly underestimated how well Labour are doing at the moment.
The financial world and the hedge funds are hot for big data nerds as well at the moment, sometimes I think you hear about these things through the financial grapevine before you start seeing it in the publicly available polls.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was an analytics team somewhere sitting on a ****ing bombshell.
A shitty studio in London is just big enough to get out of a single bed and put clothes on. 13m2 would be a bijou open plan apartment.
You mean a bedsit - a shower and a microwave. Yours for 900-950 without bills in Zone 1.
WHOOOO! Progress guys!
At least people have iPhones though and a tinder account to masturbate to whilst choking down tinnies of stella between 14 hour shifts. Right? Am I right guys?!
I'd rather run the risk of getting flattened by a Tsunami living in a shanty town near a beach in the Philippines.
Getting the vibe that Labour might win at the moment- has been a tight campaign so far, aside from a few pre-manifesto mess-ups. Also, people are bored with Brexit and want to move on but The Tories talk about nothing else.
If may wins she'll metamorph into her true form.
reckons the London bias of the media has vastly underestimated how well Labour are doing at the moment.
I struggle with this though - you look at our day to day culture in the UK now and it's not in the slightest way Socialist - we're grabbing everything we can in fear of losing it - look at the housing crisis and how no-one really wants it solved for e.g.
There's pockets of people who want a more caring society and one focussed on contributing to our community rather than grabbing what we want for ourselves but I don't see it in the broader national character at all. I've moved from London to Middle England a year ago and the grabbiness and outright prejudice towards minorities is really shocking me... London's a friendly paradise in comparison!
UK seems far more Right than Left as far as I can see. Obviously I only have my own perspective but I divide my time between London and Middle England and speak to friends in the North regularly and I don't see any real shift leftwards - my London friends don't want to vote for any current party, we want a proper, strong Centrist party - where Liberals are in political terms, but aren't strong enough...
you look at our day to day culture in the UK now and it's not in the slightest way Socialist
Not sure this is completely the case. Ask people if they think we should tax rich bankers or fat cat businessmen more - you'll probably get an overwhelmingly affirmative response.
Nationalising railways is also popular. Two of Labour's policies.
if Maybot doesnt get her landslide or if she really bolloxes it up looses her majority
the knives will be out
Michael Gove saw tonight's interview- hes sitting in a dark room with a goblet of wine [s]Lady MacBeth[/s] Sarah Vine whispering in his ear ......
Ask people if they think we should tax rich bankers or fat cat businessmen more - you'll probably get an overwhelmingly affirmative response.
I agree that;s; what people say but look at what happens when we get offered cheap debt to buy shiny things like cars - we go nuts for it. I don't see people so keen to spend a bit less on themselves and give some cash to charity instead...
I've learnt to my cost that if I point out that houses are far too expensive and we need to give up the idea of a free money tree which is coming at the massive expense of the younger generation, then I become deeply disliked very quickly.
So I agree that people like to scapegoat bankers etc but I don't see a genuine desire to help the worse off by those of us who're ok actually giving up anything ourselves... Not the sign of a happy, healthy society really
Doesn't really matter who gets in, can't really see good PM potential in any of them.
As for policies, can see a few i like and a few I don't from all sides, but the one thing they all seem to have forgotten is we have a huge(and growing) debt, and are probably only 10years and 1 crisis(which may or may not be brexit) away from being Greece.
my London friends don't want to vote for any current party, we want a proper, strong Centrist party - where Liberals are in political terms, but aren't strong enough...
Well der... if you vote for them maybe they'll be strong enough.
debt, and are probably only 10years and 1 crisis(which may or may not be brexit) away from being Greece.
weve got a long way to go to reach greece levels of tax evasion/avoidance that was endemic at all levels
will be interesting to see how Corbyn handles Andrew Neil- you canbet he wont be so gentle with corbs
at the moment corbs is looking a much safer bet to be negotiating with europe than Weak & Wobbly Thereas May..........
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brooess - MemberUK seems far more Right than Left as far as I can see. Obviously I only have my own perspective but I divide my time between London and Middle England and speak to friends in the North regularly and I don't see any real shift leftwards - my London friends don't want to vote for any current party, we want a proper, strong Centrist party - where Liberals are in political terms, but aren't strong enough...
Where exactly do you expect them to get this strength from unless you start putting some support behind them. It may not seem like it most of the time but politics is a 2 way street.
[quote=molgrips ]Not sure this is completely the case. Ask people if they think we should tax rich bankers or fat cat businessmen more - you'll probably get an overwhelmingly affirmative response.
That's not socialism - that's getting somebody else to pay. You'll find plenty of hardcore capitalists in favour of taxing people who aren't them. Try asking them if they should pay more tax.
An interesting one I saw on one of the BBC mini documentaries about young people in the North not knowing who Thatcher was and being prepared to vote Tory - one chap said "I'll vote for what's best for me". That sounds more like the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from 80s Essex man (who did vote for Thatcher) than a socialist.
fifeandy - MemberDoesn't really matter who gets in, can't really see good PM potential in any of them.
In that case, let's vote for the one that's not an awful ****.
UK seems far more Right than Left as far as I can see. Obviously I only have my own perspective but I divide my time between London and Middle England
From my perspective amongst those who I socialise with (30 to 50 age group with the vast majority of a certain social persuasion who grew up throughout the dance music scene) in Dumfries & Galloway we are exactly the opposite, I feel I speak for everyone I know and would consider us all vehemently anti conservative in our viewpoint, all of us vote and some of us have even been elected to local councils but once in such a position it soon becomes apparent how little power/influence a genuinely independant councillor holds. We need a massive change to our current method of electing those who govern over us, I fear that will never come but until then I'll continue to be an antagonist little ****er to anyone who crosses my path whom I consider to be a dick.
I feel I speak for everyone I know and would consider us all vehemently anti conservative in our viewpoint
But most people naturally gravitate towards others of a similar mind set. And so all you get is reinforcement of your own opinions. Step outside your own peer group and its a whole different world.
They do, the social media echo chamber doesn't help either side. The other major UK based issue is that it really depends who and where are swinging 10% could mean everything or nothing depending on who they are and which seats they live in.
@Northwind, being a nice bloke sadly doesn't redeem him wanting to borrow an extra £250bn in my eyes.
Leaning towards LD as 'least bad' option despite their anti brexit agenda (i voted remain, but don't agree with resisting the result).
@Northwind, being a nice bloke sadly doesn't redeem him wanting to borrow an extra £250bn in my eyes.
It all depends what he can achive with that 250bn. What will Tory policies cost the UK? A hard Brexit and the damage that would cause may cost us with zero return on that investment.
Doesn't really matter who gets in
One candidate cares about the disadvantaged, one doesn't. That matters quite a lot to me.