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The elephant in the room is that 80% of the UK press is owned by 5 billionaires none of whom are uk taxpayers, all of whom want out of the EU for their own selfish reasons and thus who move the centre of political discussion in the press to the right. Then the BBC takes its "neutrality" form the centre of the press position ie well to the right of the political centre in the UK
This results in an unfair advantage to the tories
I was 85% Plaid and Labour. But I won't vote Plaid since my constituency used to be Labour and only lost to Tories by 2,000 odd votes last time.
ulysse - MemberInnit, as a left libertarian, it's weird how them questionnaires tell me I'm closest aligned to The Greens...
that would be because they are the most left libertarian party
Oh, the irony.
Tory majority in 2015
Leave vote in 2016
Tory landslide (imo) in 2017
Posters here don't want to take the issue seriously and the above has been the result. I have lost interest posting the same explanations again and again. Please carry on with the racists/xenophobe/they are all idiots line of responce as thats working absolutely perfectly for me - see above timeline
I know, and it's also why I'm a paid up member..
And we were certainly more to the left than Millibands Labour in 2015
83% snp
80% labour
76% lib dem
32% tory
31% UKIP
No mention of greens which is a bit odd
Edit - found the "add more parties" button which says green 85% but that they are not standing in my area - a bit daft 'cos they are and I didn't tell them my location!
Posters here don't want to take the issue seriously
What issue?
Posters here don't want to take the issue seriously and the above has been the result. I have lost interest posting the same explanations again and again. Please carry on with the racists/xenophobe/they are all idiots line of responce as thats working absolutely perfectly for me - see above timeline
Stop it Jamba - everyone [i]knows[/i] that if you resort to an endless tirade of abuse, name calling and labelling people as ...ist , then sooner or later they are bound to change their mind and vote in favour of you.
Its worked so well in the past after all.
a bit daft 'cos they are and I didn't tell them my location!
Websites can tell where you are from your IP address. Except that relies on databases that aren't very accurate, so it makes mistakes.
Odd results there, TJ, as I'd put SNP slightly right of Labour
86% lab
83% LD
72% Green
40% Con
35% [s]Racist[/s]* UKIP
* sorry jambs
well thats pretty clear cut, looks like im in for a dissapointing june the 9th and beyond!
Please carry on with the racists/xenophobe/they are all idiots line of responce as thats working absolutely perfectly for me - see above timeline
Well we know your an immigration hating islamaphobe, so what does that make the others, ninfan is hardly a compassionate understanding fella is he?
I guess you want to use the old line of exaggerated immigration (millions of poles) to push forward your idea that stopping all immigration is somehow fair.
It's amazing how some fairly right wing people run straight to protectionist policies
Odd results there, TJ, as I'd put SNP slightly right of Labour
Everything that isn't a communist party is right of JC's Labour.....
SNP are still a heavily left leaning party imo
Everything that isn't a communist party is right of JC's Labour
Don't be ridiculous.
SNP are still a heavily [s]left[/s] authoritarian leaning party imo
Seriously? That's an actual belief and not some flippant statement thrown off the cuff?
Labour are only *just* to the left of us Greens in the real world, and Greens ain't a million miles from being centrist and I'd put SNP slightly to the right of Green
snp are left of centre but authoritarian not libertarian. Labour are to the right of the snp, greens to the left but not much in it.
This was the state of play in 2015
Interesting to note Millibands Labour stance was around about Hitler and the ground normally covered by true, one nation conservatism
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Who set those centre lines ?
Here you go Mol, but like everything else on the internet...
www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015
Who set those centre lines ?
Communists obviously.
Slide the left/right centre to between Lab/LD and that would give a fairly accurate reflection of 2015 imo
nope - labour were right of centre in 2015. Now left of centre
No mate, the graph is an indication of how far to the right politics has shifted since 1979
The graph portrayed the traditional values
Gove making up his numbers again 😳
https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/865246455417774080
the entire Tory manifesto is just a huge uncosted gamble !
double post- im as befuddled as a tory in a maths class !
If only the interviewer involved had a history of humiliating people who didn't know their brief, then he would have known to prepare properly. 🙂
If only the interviewer involved had a history of humiliating people who didn't know their brief, then he would have known to prepare properly.
You'd think wouldn't you.....
And somehow these fools actually get voted in to run the country
ulysse - MemberOdd results there, TJ, as I'd put SNP slightly right of Labour
Not really much between them. I'd have SNP to the left of labour
86% lab
83% LD
72% Green
40% [s]Racist[/s] Con
35% [s]Also racist[/s]* UKIP
FTFY Kimbers
*Sorry again Jamba 😉
Seriously though Jamba, you express support for Trump, Farage, LePen - it would be easy to assume you're racist. I mean I've never met you, the only evidence I've got are your posts on here on one hand and a few folk who've met you on the other saying you're ok. It's hard to judge.
Ninfan of course doesn't have anyone saying he's ok - but I'm sure he is normal really.
Just for fun..
Had potential until it tried to force me to sell my soul to facebook
87% Plaid Cymru
86% Green
82% Lab
76% LD
30% UKIP
27% Con
Seems I value UKIP policies even more than the Tories 😯
[quote=jambalaya ]Posters here don't want to take the issue seriously and the above has been the result. I have lost interest posting the same explanations again and again. Please carry on with the racists/xenophobe/they are all idiots line of responce as thats working absolutely perfectly for me - see above timeline
We've done this one before (of course). Us lot on here calling a spade a spade makes no difference at all to national election results, which are mainly influenced by the lies told by billionaires to the credulous - many of whom are racists or xenophobes and the majority of whom may not be stupid, but voting for something which is going to make your life worse isn't the action of the highly intelligent. You can deny it all you like, or make spurious claims like the above with the implication that us "calling people names" made all the difference, but we all know that the secret to electoral success in modern times is telling different (and often contradictory) carefully focused lies to each particular target group.
FWIW if by "who might vote Conservative" you include people who have in the past, then that's me, I'll happily admit it. I was one of those taken in by the lies.
Just for fun..
That's brilliant. 14 Tory seats?!
Can we hold all our elections on Facebook now?
Unfortunately I think that's why I said just for fun
I meant brilliant as in comedy..
77% LibDem
72% Green
69% Labour
47% UKIP
44% Conmen
That's alright then - pretty much bang on though there's a worrying anomaly that UKIP feature above the Conmen. 😳
matt_outandabout - Member
Have you any idea just how much tax we've contributed in our lives?Have you an idea how much it costs to run NHS, schools, police, defence, transport, social care, housing, garden bridges etc?
Judging by the fact we have torn through all our gas and oil, sold off every utility and resource we could, borrowed way more than we could comfortably afford and *still* need to cut back hard, we spent a shed load more than your taxes.
I regurgitate this for all who would make this a generation 'war against pensioners' and in a way I understand those who have never experienced politicians other than Thatcher,Blair,Brown, Cameron etc would think, but the fact is we generated the money, it was your generation that squandered it. Our generation don't squander money, we don't waste it the way it is these days.
It wasn't us that decided to pay nearly 2500 council officials over £150,000, it wasn't us that decided to privatise the NHS with private finance initiatives that would cost it a fortune for ever after, it wasn't us that decided to introduce student debt to University Graduates rather than have them do the jobs in the summer fruit picking that all these immigrants you moan about do, the point is, you all have so much more that needs paying for and it is your turn to step up to the plate and get taxed at the level we were in the sixties, no, I don't suppose you even remember at what level that was, all our poor pop stars had to leave the country, google the Beatles 'Taxman' recording of the Heath Wilson years, three day weeks, rubbish piled high, shitty cars, shitty industrial relations, it's in your history books now, but we had to live with it all, so lets have less of the soak the boomers, you lot haven't even begun to experience the sort of 'austerity' that we endured.
no. it was you who didn't put enough money away to pay for your pensions....
It wasn't us that decided to ...
Wasn't it?
Older people are far more likely to vote Tory aren't they? If no-one over 50 voted Blair wouldn't have happened and we'd be Labour all the way.
It sure as hell wasn't us.
I'm not trying to make it a war on pensioners or anyone else. I'm just calling bullshit on this blame game.
My shop tends to cater for well off ladies.
The word on da street is that they are not happy at all.
Enola May is upsetting some of her core supporters.
Let's hope the libs can field some attractive young men .
No more porn via Google in the Tory manifesto!
. "We will put a responsibility on industry not to direct users – even unintentionally – to hate speech, pornography, or other sources of harm,"
If they ban hate speech doesn't that mean the Daily Mail will be affected ?
No-one comes out of this well. We're all victims of a political system where [i]the future[/i] is never any more than 4 years away and the constantly selfish are often promoted to positions of power
I fully appreciate Graemecsl's view that his [i]generation[/i] (whatever that means) have already paid their dues but I'm not sure you can point the finger of spendthriftism at any particular generation or party or cohort. From so many angles we've never had it so good but there are caveats:
Stuff - we've never had so much - we're living in a society where we are sold at constantly and this obliviously makes people want to buy more stuff which leads to people making more stuff which just leads to more stuff which leads to more waste which leads to more polution that makes us feel guilty so we buy more stuff.
We're living longer than ever and I expect life expectancy for most of the baby boomers will far outstip that projected by their original pension funds so those in work are constantly topping them up. Aren't pension funds constantly trotted out as the excuse for "growth"? See above about stuff.
The future hasn't quite become the labour saving endless freetime utopia anyone was promised in the 50s/60s/70s has it?
I blame stuff . . . and pensioners. 😉