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Oh wow ..most folks don't like Audi / Jaguar / Merc/ BMW drivers ..I should be ok then as I've never owned a BMW ..
I nearly had a bit of a complex for a moment there ...😂
I have never looked at leasing as my mileage has historically been way too high - around 30k per annum.
A change in work location has opened up the possibility of public transport which would allow me to cut back to 10 -12k a year or even less. So, I am now starting to look at my options.
I'm currently driving a 5 year old VW CC GT with 85k miles on the clock. I bought it at a year old for £18k with 6k miles on it. However, I will own it outright in a year when it should have around 100k on it and many more years driving in it.
If I lease a car now and say pay £300 per month for 3 years on pcp I could theoretically buy it at the end of the contract but dealer would likely be looking for around £17k final payment. It would take me 7-8 years to own a car eventually.
Otherwise I'm just perpetually on a new deal merry go round paying £300 to drive a car with limitations on my mileage and that just seems like dead money to me? Am I looking at it incorrectly?
I just fundamentally don’t like SUVs, especially the “sporty” ones.
Why is that, exactly? My next car will be an SUV, I haven’t decided what yet, toss-up between a Sportage, Mokka or Ecosport, because I, like most people who buy them, have a good reason to do so.
They typically go to auction I believe.
Used prices aren’t dropping all that much.
They do indeed, when I was working for BCA the cars we picked up were all leased, mostly Motability but plenty of other leasing companies as well, and all of them go into auction, either directly at BCA or Aston Barclay, or via on-line auction, because I delivered quite a few directly to dealers, on occasion the car had been sold before I had even got to the dealer!
Where I work now we deal with Motability and Enterprise cars, Motab cars either get a valet, if the car is undamaged, repaired or refurbished, or sent straight to action if the car’s age and mileage and condition makes the cost unviable.
Enterprise cars are just stored, and go onto online auction.
We have a 67-plate Tesla X from Enterprise on site at the moment, that’s a nearly £90,000 car, it’ll be interesting to see how long it’s sits in our car park for...
Shooterman - I don't think you're looking at it incorrectly but there is another consideration which influences some people and that's ego; look at me - I've changed my car, again.
I don't think there's an unduly high risk in buying an older used car - just do your homework, talk to anyone you know in the trade, thoroughly research the make/model, check full service history, check the actual car in person as fully as you can and then negotiate hard.
Why is that, exactly? My next car will be an SUV, I haven’t decided what yet, toss-up between a Sportage, Mokka or Ecosport, because I, like most people who buy them, have a good reason to do so.
Because they are inefficient, crass, ugly and unecessary.
For years, car design evolved along principles of either utility, beauty, or both.
SUV's are a backward step. A way for those who buy them to display their ego, rather than their taste or understanding of design and engineering. 🙂
Shooterman – I don’t think you’re looking at it incorrectly but there is another consideration which influences some people and that’s ego;
And another consideration that you're missing @frankconway which is convenience and a fixed price. If you lease you know you'll be paying £300 / month (or whatever) for a car that is in warranty, will only need 1 or 2 services and that's likely all you'll pay.
Over the same 2 years of ownership an out of warranty could throw up any bill that you're not expecting. If my car was leased I wouldn't have been laying on the drive in the cold a couple of weeks ago replacing the front suspension - an extra £200 in parts + £40 alignment and probably nearer £500 if I hadn't done it myself.
People pay for convenience.
My last car died after 2 years of ownership so in that instance I would have been better of leasing, my current car (assuming no unsuspected bills) needs to last about 4 years for it to have been the better option financially vs leasing. (Very quick man maths, ignoring the fact that I chose my car because I like it and not just purely as a tool).
I had to do car park duty for an hour today. I can confirm that Audi drivers are still twuts.
@ CountZero I was talking to a manager from Enterprise a few weeks back and he mentioned that they had a couple of Teslas in the country..
The vehicle you are talking about wouldn't happen to be the one that they have been waiting for a replacement windscreen coming over from America ..for the last 3 months ..would it ?
They offered to let me buy mine, wanted £13k for a two-year old Octavia
The interesting bit is, of course, what the leasing company paid for the car in the first place.
Pretty sure my last car, 66 plate octy 2.0tdi se tech, had a purchase price to Skoda UK of just over 14k against a RRP of about 22k. I didn't bother asking to buy it, but I'm willing to bet it would have been around the 11-12k mark. So I'd have paid c7k rentals against a car I could probably have bought new for 19k, to end up with one worth about what I would have paid.
It's all made up numbers anyway - the manufacturers are making profit regardless.
Twut eh.. I hadn't realised..
What is that exactly ? ...
foot down where appropriate and necessary.
It is never necessary unless you are a member of the emergency services. But some people are not very good at organising their lives and then think that the resulting time issues justify fast driving. They are wrong.
As for this:
as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.
You race away from people trying to overtake. Really? And you think they think they're driving gods ! You know what I think.
Edukator - if only I was perfect, as you are.
I have no idea what you think, nor do I care.
A BMW driver gave me a gap so I could get off a slip road onto the hateful A14 the other day; he flashed me, and then slowed down so I could get in!
Edukator
Seems like you scored.
If I can be arsed I may thing…..wrong decision – as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.
Sorry Lewis.
22 years in Audis, tried Bimmers, Mercs and Jaaaaaaggggs (pretty much Fords in drag) still not a patch despite all the tat about "Steering feel" etc etc, Currenlty on a an A6 Allroad BI Turbo and loving it. 42mpg on a run from a 315hp monster, beleive me as Jag is not a patch on Audi.
Well balanced individuals drive Hondas.
Born again Christians and taxi drivers buy Toyotas.
Romantics drive Alfas.
Pragmatists drive Mazdas.
Tight fisted romantics who actually have to get somewhere choose FIATs.
Insecure egoists drive whatever is marketed at insecure egoists. For the past 30 years that has been BMWs, Audis and SUVs.
Secure egoists drive Mercs.
People who have no imagination drive Fords.
People who are frightened of imagination drive
Vauxhalls.
People who inherit their clothes drive old Volvos.
People who aren't very interesting at parties drive new Volvos.
People who are the same age as you but would quite like to **** your daughter drive Jags.
Tight fisted romantics who actually have to get somewhere choose FIATs.
Amen brother, amen.
Bless you my child.
We still have an '08 Giugiaro Grand Punto in blue, simply because it's the most beautiful small car ever made.
Lovely to drive, possibly the most well balanced, engaging, communicative supermini ever made.
Thrashable and fun.
Obviously, most of the electrics have packed up, but needs must when the devil vomits in yer kettle.
@Rusty Spanner..
It's no wonder I'm such a confused, messed up individual ..
I drive both an Audi A6 Allroad S-tronic ..and a Vauxhall Insignia Estate ..any advice on which shrink I should go to ?😂
So in ten years I’ve gone from being a well balanced individual, to having no imagination, to being a secure egotist, to being a pragmatic individual who’d like to **** your daughter.
This forum’s collective chip with respect to cars is hilarious at times.
^^^^ Bensales
Seems that since racism, ageism, weightism, sexism etc are now off limits, car-ism is the only acceptable way for all the prejudiced bigots to vent their ill conceived views.
Oh maaan! When did the fattist not being allowed thing happen?
People who inherit their clothes drive old Volvos.
People who aren’t very interesting at parties drive new Volvos
Oh man, my dad's wardrobe is a mix of C&A and Edinburgh Woollen Mill.
Car sterotypes work, clubby. I used to do a lot of hitch hiking. When I recognised the car I started guessing about what the occupants would look like - sex, age, hair style, dress. When they got closer and I could see them I knew whether it was worth keeping my thumb out or give my arm a rest. When I got in I already had a pretty good idea of how that person would drive and what they would talk about.
I note Renault isn't on Rusty's list so I'll add one:
Renault : people who have to get somewhere and aren't even romantic about it. The number indicates how likely they are to stop and pick me up.
Zoé: Bobo Eco: 3
old Clio: men and women who are so hot their car doesn't need to be. 7
Clio 185 etc: hot car for men more interested in cars than women. 2
Scenic: any member of the family might be driving it. 3
Kangoo: risk averse active family man and Mrs. 0
Twingo: students with rich parents and women who need a shopping basket. 6
Talisman: rep too cool to be seen in a Beamer. 2
Captur/kadjar: SUV, see Rusty above, but surprisingly 6.
I realise this is a light hearted bit of banter but like the "all bloody cyclists" the "all bloody BMW's" or whoever is bollocks, its just people, a significant number of whom are dicks.
Yes, driving a BMW is the same as experiencing racism. It’s time this injustice was brought to an end.
Well, I <heart> my bmw and in my 5th year of pcp I’m in the fortunate position of being able to settle it early next month which I will do, saving £1900 compared to waiting until the end of the term.
Not leasing means you aren’t tied to the monthly payments and gives you a little more flexibility in life, who cares what car you drive.
I resisted driving a Jag for years due to the old man image. Then I realised **** I’m an old man. So I bought one. I also wear a flat cap and live in Yorkshire so go figure 🤔. Your daughters however are quite safe 😂.
who cares what car you drive.
As long as you’ve got matching sunglasses, eh?
Back to Jaaag. I suspect the brand will disappear within 5 years, it clearly doesn’t have the funding of other car manufacturers and currently has a distinctly underwhelming line up with the majority on offer being long in the teeth.
Some drivers see big car and think – ‘oh good, big car being driven sensibly on main road so I’ll overtake them as I’m a driving god’.
If I can be arsed I may thing…..wrong decision – as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.
That makes you as much of a dick as those overtaking you...what does it matter if they do? Providing it’s done safely, it doesn’t affect you.
Nissan Qashqai’s are normally driven pretty bloody badly. But a dick can drive any car.
So ... SUVs. I'm being defensive here but I drive one as I have a bad back and need to have my feet well lower than my arse when driving for any distance. I'm 6'4" so I need headroom to fo that. Modern cars aren't built like that apart from SUVs as far as I have test driven. I'd love to get a wee van again (I miss my Kangoo van something rotten) but the Mrs insists we have a car that can carry more than two folk. Solution? SUV. Also, no aquaplaning and it goes in the snow. Result!
@hodgynd - no, I don’t think so, it’s got a small stone chip on the driver’s side of the screen, but nothing that would require a new screen. It’s just shy of two years old, 1year 10months in fact, so it’s just reached the end of its lease period, I guess.
It’s a Model X 100D, 518BHP, so no slouch!
We get much newer Enterprise cars in than that, so I don’t really know how Enterprise decide when to pass a car or van along to auction.
I do know that more often than not the cars are usually pretty grubby, with empty bottles, cans and foot wrappers all over the interior.
But then, most Motability cars are the same or much, much worse.
Also, no aquaplaning and it goes in the snow. Result!
How does driving an SUV stop you aquaplaning?
That makes
you as muchmuch more of a dick as those overtaking you
i really don’t understand those that speed up once you start over taking them 🤷🏻♂️
SUVs are less likely to aqua plane because of the weight. So just like the extra traction in the snow when you do lose control you will crash at a higher speed.
Keeping it on topic with Jaguar...
Their E-Pace SUV is roughly the same weight as their XE saloon.
Their F-Pace SUV is roughly the same weight as their XF saloon.
So where’s this extra weight that’s going to stop me aquaplaning then?
I fear you’re confusing SUVs with 4x4s.
foot down where appropriate and necessary.
It is never necessary unless you are a member of the emergency services. But some people are not very good at organising their lives and then think that the resulting time issues justify fast driving. They are wrong.
How do you over take safely without putting your foot down? Actually, being pedantic, without putting your foot down a little bit how the would you ever get anywhere?
To answer the OP, I think the plethora of choices offered by the modern car industry makes it quite hard to narrow down what your typical twunt will actually drive. There are a few categories that I've observed though.
Young PCP - have job / student loan, will lease!. There is a male and female version of this tribe but they are pretty similar. Girls drive what ever the small car d'jour is. It was the Fiat 500 for a long time (white or one of those horrible pastel shades), but now the Audi A1 is currently in vogue (white with a black roof). If one is behind you at the lights they will appear to be fascinated by their own knees. Can't drive 10 feet without updating social media, "lol nearly crashed while on insta"
The male version is less imaginative in car choice, they drive a 1 series BMW. Not a very powerful one, but they make up for this by ragging it everywhere. The interior smells of McDonalds.
BITD both of these groups would be in whatever shit heap 2nd hand car was cheap to insure- probably something French, just happy to get to their destination, but thanks to the miracle of cheap credit they are now in shiny new cars.
Next the Yummy Mummy's, they have a type of car rather than a specific brand and, you guessed it, it's the SUV. They bring to the roads the exciting combination of being in a hurry, distracted and in a big car. They've seen all the marketing about SUVs being "urban ready" and think this means a new special speed limit applies. I walk my daughter to nursery most mornings and we pass one of those 🙂 / 🙁 speed signs, its mainly women driving SUVs who make it a sad face. Also voted most likely to be idling a clattery diesel engine outside the school gates.
There is a special upper echelon of SUV ****ery that is reserved for 3 models in particular though, the Audi Q7, the Range Rover Sport and the BMW X6
Next up we have the repmobile, they've been on the roads since the dawn of company cars, these days the Vectra, Mondeos and Rovers are long gone and they are now almost exclusively in the rep holy triumvirate of 320d, C220d, and A4 TDI.
These knights of industry are going places fast (87mph to be specific). With roughly 170 of Germany's finest "pferdestarke" at their disposal you'd better not get in their way. They are important people, with ties and everything, they absolutely have to get to that meeting in the industrial park near Basingstoke for 10:30 and if you get in their way they won't have time to stop at Chobham services for a steak bake. Tailgating is an olympic sport with these guys.
Finally the old driver, probably shouldn't be on the road. Passed their driving test shortly after they stopped needing a man with a flag. Likes to pick a speed (between 37 and 41 mph) and stick to it, everywhere. Choice of car is generally something small and Japanese (Yaris, Jazz, Micra) although the Skoda Fabia also seems popular. They are mainly a menace to their own clutch plates but can also cause carnage when they interact with any of the groups above whose driving style isn't really calibrated for dealing with pensioners joining a motorway at 39mph.
All of these groups have one thing in common though, they are all pretty shitty at dealing with cyclists.
How very cliche.
They are important people, with ties and everything
I don't wear a tie, tie's are very old school and are for Sales grads or retiring sales people.
they are all pretty shitty at dealing with cyclists.
As a cyclist myself I beg to differ, and btw I pay road tax - twice - or VED as its known by people not like you.
Cliches exist for a reason.
I don’t wear a tie, tie’s are very old school and are for Sales grads or retiring sales people.
It's a bit odd that this is the bit you have an issue with.
and btw I pay road tax – twice
Well that was apropos of nothing but I'm sure the exchequer thanks you for your contribution
Cliches responding to cliches richmtb. What your posting really is of no help. Its tired and boring generalist nonsense I'm afraid, and you risk categorising people unfairly.
Next up we have the repmobile, they’ve been on the roads since the dawn of company cars, these days the Vectra, Mondeos and Rovers are long gone and they are now almost exclusively in the rep holy triumvirate of 320d, C220d, and A4 TDI.
These knights of industry are going places fast (87mph to be specific). With roughly 170 of Germany’s finest “pferdestarke” at their disposal you’d better not get in their way. They are important people, with ties and everything, they absolutely have to get to that meeting in the industrial park near Basingstoke for 10:30 and if you get in their way they won’t have time to stop at Chobham services for a steak bake. Tailgating is an olympic sport with these guys.
That’s quite funny...more thought to it than mine. I usually class these chaps as paper clip salesmen.
I usually class these chaps as paper clip salesmen.
Paper Clip salesmen fly.
First class.
In special shoes.
Any fule kno dat.
What your posting really is of no help. Its tired and boring generalist nonsense I’m afraid, and you risk categorising people unfairly.
If my light-hearted post on a mountain biking forum has potentially offended any sale reps then I apologise unreservedly.
Sometimes we fail to understand the day-to-day struggles of people in mid range German saloons, maybe we should travel a mile in their shoes before we pass judgment (it won't take long a mile is about 45 seconds at 87mph)
#salesrepslivesmatter
BTW I work in a field sales role for a large IT company, I'm taking the piss out of myself too.