[Closed] Is it racist...

[Quote=mod]Yes you do, you're just looking to have an argument about it.

No, I really don't. I cannot see why the word **** is seen as more acceptable than the word ****. I would be less offended if some called me that than if they called me names based on my race.

I would be more upset at my kids for saying **** than I would for saying ****. If it is about protecting the family forum, then let's get rid of the family unfriendly words.

Unless you can explain, why the word **** is more acceptable than the word ****, then maybe you should ban or allow them both

But if calling a restaurant "Chinese" labels the proprietors as "outsiders" then should we call them "chip shops" instead?

And that's the thing: for me, and I suspect some others, this sentiment quickly slips from a perfectly well-intentioned and agreeable "casual racism is bad" to an utterly infuriating "adjectives are bad".

The point being we don't shorten French restaurants to "I'm going for a frog", it displays a wilful lack of courtesy to use the full name and pretty much erects a big **** off glowing neon sign over your head that says "I'm a lazy **** that can't be arsed to form a proper sentence". Identifying corner shops by the owners heritage is worse.

Just white people?

If non-whites do, does that make it acceptable? Not really.

But generally, in the west - they seem less likely to as perhaps they are more sensitive to these issues.

If non-whites do, does that make it acceptable? Not really.

That wasn't my point. My point is it's not just those pesky whites that use racist terms.

The point being we don't shorten French restaurants to "I'm going for a frog",

No that's a [i]different[/i] point. You said earlier that the point was that people felt [i]"uncomfortable about being labelled as outsiders"[/i] which any adjective has the power to do.

it displays a wilful lack of courtesy to use the full name.

Maybe this is a cultural thing, but I generally regard nicknames as a sign of affection, not disrespect. My wife looks concerned if I call her by her proper name, same goes for close mates.

So again there is context and intent there.

That wasn't my point. My point is it's not just those pesky whites that use racist terms.

Oh I'm sorry, I never knew that they used these terms in Britain to describe shops. What terms do they use?

Oh and they aren't racist terms, they're "prejudiced" terms if non-whites use them in western society.

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No that's a different point. You said earlier that the point was that people felt "uncomfortable about being labelled as outsiders" which any adjective has the power to do.

People only tend to do so, if they feel that heritage is used in a way that implies disrespect. Indians for example, often want to celebrate their heritage - but likely in a way that doesn't alienate them from the rest of society.

Got bored reading after page 2, but the most offensive thing on this thread is the same old names pretesting their entitlement to be old fashioned racists. Get with the 90's man

Oh I'm sorry, I never knew that they used these terms in Britain to describe shops. What terms do they use?

The same as some other Brits use as the skin colour isn't what makes you racist.

But generally, in the west - they seem less likely to as perhaps they are more sensitive to these issues.

Or maybe because it doesn't make sense to identify someone or something as part of a majority.
I'm sure if I went to Kingston and opened a fried chicken shop I would be identified by my lighter than typical skin, rather than my long as typical hair.
It's simply logical, and I'm sure wouldn't bear any malice, especially as we all know how much they love chicken!

The same as some other Brits use as the skin colour isn't what makes you racist.

Do you really want to argue this?

I mean, I can, if you really don't know where I'm going to take this to piss off as many of you as I can?

Or maybe because it doesn't make sense to identify someone or something as part of a majority.
I'm sure if I went to Kingston and opened a fried chicken shop I would be identified by my lighter than typical skin, rather than my long as typical hair.

I'm sure we'd have heard of it if they did, plenty of polish shops in these kinds of areas.

It's simply logical, and I'm sure wouldn't bear any malice, especially as we all know how much they love chicken!

...and melons and spears, eh?

This is so ****ing easy.

I know, I'll ask an actual Polish person (on the grounds that a sample size of "one" is totally representative of an entire nation). Hold the line please, caller.

Yep, my ex wife was in the room so we have a sample size of two. I can't spell Polaciem correctly which I think is the female version.

**** shop is the one for me that rings wrong. But an astute person before said that it might have more to do with my own prejudices. I [i]think[/i] that whoever owns a shop is irrelevant. But maybe I see it as a negative because growing up that would have been my only contact with people from ****stan, and I've intrinsically linked it with limited opportunities? **** knows.

I'm sure we'd have heard of it if they did, plenty of polish shops in these kinds of areas.

Polski Sklep is actually accurate though.

That's actually going the opposite way though isn't it Rich, I mean you're using their language to describe where you are going - instead of a British derived term of *cough*...."endearment"....*cough*.

Tom_W1987 - Member

This is so **** easy.

Is it? I'm not so sure.
Let's see what the oracle says...

It does sound like there's quite a demand.

The only thing I get from this is that it must be a geographical thing.

I grew up in pretty mixed area of North Manchester and
Corner Shop and Chinese were used by pretty much everyone.
**** and Chink were still used, but only as terms of abuse and not in that context.

In Tod, pretty much everyone knew the shops and the owners by name.
Pretty much the only place I heard either term was in the Duke Of York, which seemed to be the pub of choice for the meatheads.

It does sound like there's quite a demand.

Tell you what, let's set up a restaurant in Hackney called "Coon Chicken Inn" and see how people react, hey?

HEAR ME NOW!

As delicious as chicken is, there are it seems lots of alternatives which do not involve eating the flesh.

He does seem fit for a more elderly gent.

Tom_W1987 - Member

Tell you what, let's set up a restaurant in Hackney called "Coon Chicken Inn" and see how people react, hey?

Too late brother Tom, see above post for my new lifestyle choice.

Now I'm left with my main vice to conquer:

That's actually going the opposite way though isn't it Rich, I mean you're using their language to describe where you are going

My point was actually that a Polski Sklep is a shop full of polish items, not the same thing as your **** shop at all. In Poland, It'd just be a Sklep 😉 According to the ex they're often run by other eastern europeans - good business opportunity.

you're using their language to describe where you are going - instead of a British derived term of *cough*...."endearment"

Ah so it's okay if we use their language to describe the shop?

So we should call it a
P?kisat?n? Duk?na (or a ????????? ????? ) then?
And that'll make them feel less like outsiders?

But what if it turns out they speak Pashto not Punjabi? Won't my presumption be just as insulting? 😉

My American wife reacted much as I would if someone casually used the term ****. Apparently Jap has the same negative racist connotations for the Yanks.

You don't say.

I was quite surprised actually. I've only every used Jap when describing machinery from Japan, purely as an abbreviation of Japanese. Never considered it a racist term and wouldn't use it to describe someone from Japan. We don't have quite the same history with the Japanese as the Americans do though.

NSFW, fpmsl @ " You cant taste rascism

Can we take back "Porch Monkey" yet?

Are you having one of your angry days again Tom_W ?

I was quite surprised actually.

I certainly remember it being used an offensive term when I was a kid, often by ex POWs from WWII especialy.

Wow, racists can be really obtuse when they want to excuse their behaviour.

So we should call it a
P?kisat?n? Duk?na (or a ????????? ????? ) then?

Does it sell mostly ????????? stuff?

Ah so it's okay if we use their language to describe the shop?

So we should call it a
P?kisat?n? Duk?na (or a ????????? ????? ) then?
And that'll make them feel less like outsiders?

But what if it turns out they speak Pashto not Punjabi? Won't my presumption be just as insulting?

As the poster above you pointed out, how many of your "**** shops" actually sell only ****stani produce?

None of them, or very few. So your argument generally falls down, you're having to weave too many excuses to defend the point that it is not racist shorthand.

Occams razor...it's racist. Simples.

Wow, racists can be really obtuse when they want to excuse their behaviour.

Like Ebike haterz?

perchypanther - Member
..... does anyone know a really offensive term that could be applied to Hungarians.

Calling them Budapests just wasn't cutting the mustard.

The Poorly Hung?

My apologies, I've not waded through 8 pages so it might have been done, but I thought this kind of relevant:

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/man-threatens-legal-action-over-racist-sign-at-suffolk-hospital/

When I got into inspection work my manager initially showed me three components and asked me which ones were bad.

First one was spot on in every way to the drawing. Not bad.

Second one had a bore too deep, breaking into a cross hole. Bad.

Third one had a c'bore that was off centre to the bore, not too much but out of tolerance.

"Is that one bad sbob?"

"I'm not sure. It loo..."
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"If that component is critical, there is no third option. It is bad"

Wise words that served me well.

Being racist is VERY bad.
If there is a doubt (and the very presence of the OP suggest there is)
then don't risk it.

Nothing else needs to be said, yet a forum populated by people that think they are more intelligent than most have spread it over eight pages.

This thread is like the intellectual butter in a British Rail sandwich.

Now leave it.
There is nothing more to add.
Otherwise I shall continue to spam the thread with the wisdom of Macka B (provided Tom is still here to help, sorry mate).

Wow, racists can be really obtuse when they want to excuse their behaviour.

This.

Just so easy to find different words, and to reframe the way we think about people. It's not about neurotic lefty posturing, it's about being polite and getting on with people.

you're having to weave too many excuses to defend the point that it is not racist shorthand.

Nah I'm just trying to challenge your illiberal prejudice a little bit.

Occams razor...it's racist. Simples.

Hanlon's Razor: it isn't. Simples.

Incidentally, any issue with "Oriental"?
Apparently it is so offensive that the [s]Yanks[/s] Americans [url= http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-tsuchiyama-oriental-insult-20160601-snap-story.html ]made it illegal to use in official documents[/url].

Someone should probably tell the Oriental population round here because it is pretty common to see it used in restaurant names.

aracer - Member

My apologies, I've not waded through 8 pages so it might have been done, but I thought this kind of relevant:

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/man-threatens-legal-action-over-racist-sign-at-suffolk-hospital/

That's not relevant it's ****ing retarded.

let's set up a restaurant in Hackney called "Coon Chicken Inn" and see how people react

Random aside, in field archery a night-time shoot is (or at least, was in the 80s when I last shot) known as a "coon shoot." This generated an amount of outrage in some quarters but the source of the term is raccoon hunting. (The racial usage of 'coon' comes from something to with racial slums in Spain or some such, I forget exactly, but it's nothing to do with raccoons or darkness.)

That's not relevant it's **** retarded.

Offensive to the mentally disabled.

All we need to remember is that we all share one common love,

accept that and we can all get along.

Otherwise I shall continue to spam the thread with the wisdom of Macka B

As far as I could gather (and I fully admit I'm not good at Patois, if indeed that's what it was) the main thrust of Mr B's lyrical treatise there was that words are all about context and interpretation. Anything can be made to sound rude, even when you're just singing about the client produce handling preferences of the girl running the vegetable stall at the street market.

One of my clients at the moment is a distraught Mexican domestic cleaner who works for a London company that has just changed its name to ‘Spick and Span Cleaning’

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Incidentally, any issue with "Oriental"?
Apparently it is so offensive that the Yanks Americans made it illegal to use in official documents.

Someone should probably tell the Oriental population round here because it is pretty common to see it used in restaurant names.

Well, it's a very generic term, only meaning From the East. And it's used here to mean much the same as Asian in.the US. It's a compromise term.whichbi don't particularly like, same as Asian, which doesnt really say what it means. Asian is only.applied to a subset of Asians and Oriental to subset of people from the east
A way of covering up.the fact.that you don't know where people are from but look a bit like these other people who are from out that way. The fact that 'orientals' round your way use it reflects perhaps that some people have given up.trying to educate the local population about the differences and instead just accepted the terminology of the locals

It appears that STW [i]is[/i] loving the Macka B after all!

Now this is one of my favourite Macka B tracks. Not only because it was my first introduction to his wisdom and music, but in lieu of his later lifestyle choices it is not only a song about the importance of a good diet, but is also a shining example to us all that we [i]can[/i] change.

Macka B sure has come a long way since eating saltfish, selling hooky wris****ches and swimming around in oceans of baked beans.

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Enough now. I'm sure people can Google for more if they want.
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Cougar, would you have a go at justifying the 'obvious' choices of banned words as above?

Ok, as long as we can accept that continuing to post in this thread is a damning embarrassment to the forum.