Paying basic lip service to regs/laws shows absolutely no regard for others.
As you work in construction, I hope you pay more than basic lip service to site regs and H&S legislation.
When it suits, no doubt, and not when it doesn't.
Wave 2 incoming. Just in time for Crimbo.
Let’s just say the medical advice and the propaganda from Boris haven’t had a lot in common. Face masks were advised against because the government had sold its stockpile so was struggling to get them. The medical advice was wear them. The real risk of catching the disease if your were less than 70 and not in care was very low.
Eh, just because the government are useless cynical shits doesn't mean we should all just ignore the actual scientific advice. I don't really understand even what your point is - 'because we were told masks weren't useful when they were, let's not wear them now to show them'?
it's not going to be a second wave, it's going to be a mega-tsunami.
I'm an academic in Australia, and 20 year old students here (and m'collegues overseas tell me, lots amd lots in the US) are getting it and ending up in hospital.
I think I'm still following the advice, but I'm no longer certain what it is.
I'm going out as little as possible. I'm wearing a mask when in shops, etc. I carry hand gel with me and use it regularly. I have as few people as possible in my house. Have I missed anything?
Work worries me a bit. I work in a community for adults with learning disabilities, and although we're careful contact is inevitable. I'm not concerned about catching anything from them, but I do worry that I might bring it in as some of them are frail.
I’m going out as little as possible. I’m wearing a mask when in shops, etc. I carry hand gel with me and use it regularly. I have as few people as possible in my house. Have I missed anything?
I wear mask whenever I shop for food and necessity. I don't go to any place that is crowded and usually stay at 2 metre apart from the next person. Also try to spend as little time as possible in the supermarket or shop. Plan what to buy get in and get out quickly.
Although we had a small gathering with 4 people we all sat outdoor at 2 metre apart.
Yes following guidance. Hard and fast at home as much as I can at work.
Yes. Not vulnerable or shielding but have no desire to see this shit-show go on any longer than necessary.
Developing an overwhelming urge to crack non-mask-wearers over the back of the head with a tin of baked beans in the supermarket though.
I dislike crowded places, never really went to pubs and working from home has been adopted by the company I work for. Therefore staying within guidelines has been really easy. However I can understand how people that like all of the above are really struggling.
Been to the pub 3 times, mask inside to get served and then drink outside. The distribution and dispersal of smoke gives you an idea of the aerosol effect. I literally haven't a clue what the latest government advice is and wouldn't be confident with it anyway but I do watch IndieSage and listen to our kids. Masks in shops and in the boozer, fun outside. The scientific evidence suggests that many back gardens seem to emit a vortex of vert verdant combustion.
Developing an overwhelming urge to crack non-mask-wearers over the back of the head with a tin of baked beans in the supermarket though.
I'm pretty sure I've not seen a single adult in a supermarket not wearing a mask since they were made compulsory.
I’m pretty sure I’ve not seen a single adult in a supermarket not wearing a mask since they were made compulsory
Come to Dunblane. A bunch of youth have decided to just go into supermarket at school lunch and whenever they feel like it without mask, and abuse any staff or public who challenged them. Entitled middle class covidiots.
I'd say about 15% of people not wearing masks in shops where I am. Though cognicent that some might have an underlyimg condition that exempts them im also cognisant that in all likelihood 99.9% of those not wearing masks should be wearing them.
Not wearing one when you should is the equivalent of using a fake disabled badge when you're parking your car in the supermarket car park, except your more likely to kill or seriously hurt someone if you're not wearing a mask than you would be parking your car.
Starting to see a slow rise.....
I'm seeing a good 10% non mask in supermarkets. I don't like wearing mine as it fogs my specs and I end up feeling a bit of anxiety. So I'm going click and collect from now.
A close mate flew to Croatia on holiday this weekend. FCO advice is essential travel only and he's accepted he needs to quarantine for 2 weeks on return. Wonder if he will. Have to say it's pissed me off and I want to call him out over it properly instead of the mild ribbing I have been. But the way of the world seems to be me, me, me so I'll just shut up and let him crack on.
But the way of the world seems to be me, me, me so I’ll just shut up and let him crack on.
Unfortunately, in the case of pandemics, it needs to be 'we, we, we'. But you are right, even this thread has its share of "I'm alright, Jack" types.
Ahh **** it, let's just carry on like normal and hope something turns up, eh?
Went to a petrols station yesterday. Filled up, immediately cleaned hands with sanitiser, then donned mask to go inside and pay. No one else did, all were standing in a queue maskless with the cashier have a mask worn below his chin.
No one else did, all were standing in a queue maskless with the cashier have a mask worn below his chin.
And when they catch it and are mildly ill it will be all they talk about for the next six months...
"Oooooh it were terrible, I tell you".
Developing an overwhelming urge to crack non-mask-wearers over the back of the head with a tin of baked beans in the supermarket though.
Seriously?
Developing an overwhelming urge to crack non-mask-wearers over the back of the head with a tin of baked beans in the supermarket though.
Seriously?
Probably not. I imagine it was comic overstatement.
A cucumber, maybe.
I’m pretty sure I’ve not seen a single adult in a supermarket not wearing a mask since they were made compulsory.
I recently had the pleasure of seeing a man coughing and sneezing his way around the local supermarket. He was wearing a mask, but didn't seem to understand its purpose as he pulled it down every time he sneezed. Worst thing was he kept following me around the bloody shop. I'll admit I've been quite a bit less vigilant recently with the reduction in cases but now feels like the right time to get ahead of the game again. With kids back at school soon though I'm not convinced anything I do will make much difference.
With kids back at school soon though I’m not convinced anything I do will make much difference.
Beware, I got jumped on for saying that.
What I should have said was:
"With kids back at school soon though I’m not convinced anything I do will make much difference. But I will continue to try to do my bit because it is at least something".
kelvin
What propaganda? From who? Saying what? You’ll need to explain that.
Pretty much anything from the government.
Masks, no masks - ring of steel/send covid patients to care homes... dead or not.. how they count (or don't).
Most of all it's government by social media ....deliberate "leaks"... see what people want and do sentiment analysis over actually saving lives. It's all narrative and no science.
We’ve had the hard chat with grandparents… no Christmas together and see you next summer… late seventies. It’s fingers crossed and try to stay polite and kind towards those that think their actions this winter have no effect on transmission. I agree with you completely on the way the return to school buildings is being handled… but I’ll leave that to the other threads.
I see the "return to school" as just another social media narrative.
Lies and lies through deceit, misdirection and double speak. Underlying the entire fiasco from start to today has been a set of steps that can't be undone. (From the spanish football supporters to PPE ... it's a case of "done it now and most of you approved or mat least didn't disapprove and it's your fault"
Yes it's true the chance of a specific child dying is very very low but they completely ignore the chance of a relative dying from a direct transmission or the wider transmission of someone else's grandparents dying.
Quite honestly I want to do the right thing by everyone (or as many as possible) but it seems VERY pointless and sort of like just enabling me to take some moral highground.
It would be pointless, if it was just you, but millions of people and their organisations are acting to stop the spread. The schools thing does throw all that up in the air to a large degree… but let’s leave that to the other threads.
It would be pointless, if it was just you, but millions of people and their organisations are acting to stop the spread.
This is the thing to focus on. The schools thing does increase risks for other vulnerable family members, but the rules still say you should be 2 metres apart from people not in your household/bubble anyway, or 1 metre plus masks.
It's the continuation of all the different layers of protective actions the government should be pointing out to people, not constantly jumping and distracting.
Just back from two weeks around Kintyre and Cowal - everywhere people were doing thir best to follow regs and I saw no one blatantly ignoring them. Different Hotels had different interpretations including one that was rather lax but apart from that one hotel everything was fine
My wife and I continue to follow the rules, we live fairly rurally so it's always fairly isolated, to begin with.
I've noticed (and felt it a bit myself) that slowly it's getting harder to not get frustrated with what we can and can't do. I've only seen my parents twice since the lockdown started and the last time, a few days ago, it was clear both them are beginning to deviate from the guidelines due to boredom and frustration.
It's uncomfortable to see the whole conspiracy/paranoid angle taking hold as well fuelled again in part by yet more underlying boredom. I see the thread mentions common sense and I agree that many have become increasingly casual. The problem has always been that the danger isn't necessarily to yourself but for others which is maybe too complex a message for some to understand.
Genuinely hope our autumn is kind so we have a fighting chance of avoiding a substantial second wave. I won't be in a pub, go out for dinner, or head to the swimming pool this year.
I've been lucky enough to have biked and walked rurally and in almost complete isolation thorough this and its been a massive help mentally and physically.
Pretty much, bringing a wee bottle of hand sanitizer and a couple of masks with me is now is as normal as picking up phone wallet and keys. Been to a few restaurants, and hotels (all have been pretty good with screens, masks, distancing and so on) and went to the cinema on Saturday (we moved when some-one sat in the chairs directly behind us) but cinema had maybe just 10 people in it in total anyway. If I meet up with friends we try to maintain separation, no hugs and so on, meet outside
Seen my children once on a trip up to Newcastle, and I will admit we hugged, but honestly, if I get COVID through that, then it was still totally worth it.
A one way system around the local pub
I have to say; some one way systems are just herding folk together, I did actually point this out to a guy at a service station, but it wasn't his fault, poor lad, he was just doing what his boss told him.
It would be pointless, if it was just you, but millions of people and their organisations are acting to stop the spread.
This is the thing to focus on. The schools thing does increase risks for other vulnerable family members, but the rules still say you should be 2 metres apart from people not in your household/bubble anyway, or 1 metre plus masks.
Or unless you are/eating drinking... which gets back to what's the point with people sharing drinks etc.
It’s the continuation of all the different layers of protective actions the government should be pointing out to people, not constantly jumping and distracting.
Except they not only haven't but have made every attempt to confuse and distract.
It matters little what most of the organisations do whilst schools are chosen as the vector for transmission. Simple, off the cuff... say I hire a bike.... at most a few people touched it and it can be disinfected or not the risk isn't much different for one person.
1000+ kids in a school prevented from wearing masks in class whilst packed in like sardines... who then socialise in their "bubble" who go to a different school or are in a different year only has one outcome.
It really doesn't matter what else I do the chance of the kid picking it up at school and being asymptomatic is off the scale high... meanwhile my chance of not getting the virus off him is next to inevitable and my chance of then spreading it to someone else is then very high.
Multiply that hundreds of thousands of times ... the rest of the stuff is like arguing over a seatbelt when the car is driven off a 300' cliff.
but let’s leave that to the other threads
The details ... one thing. My point really is the narrative.
It's one set of narratives that just happen to agree on one thing for completely different reasons.
Non of Boris's kids are likely to be lacking (assuming he knows who they are)... and frankly we know how important his unborn child was to him ... (assuming it's his) .... and lets not forget Cummings who's idea of protecting his kids is to bundle them into a car and drive to "test his eyesight".
Round here it's been varied. I went to the pub last night and it was actually one of the better-managed places I've been to. Full-height perspex screens at the bar, separated-out tables and table service.
Elsewhere, not so much. We went to Ozzy Mills yesterday and a lot of people appear to think that primary route of infection is via the chin. Very few staff wearing masks also. But they've put up a rope between the entrance and the exit so that should keep everyone safe.
When the rules/advice are blatantly stupid, or arbitrary, why would you not break them?
A lot of places seem to be trying but without much clue or direction (as per the previous paragraph). Tesco has a big barrier running the length of the store to the entrance because clearly it's safer to be forced into close proximity with morons for ten minutes than me getting in and out as fast as possible. I went a couple of weeks back, there was no-one outside aside from two bored-looking security guards in high-viz so I squeezed through a gap in the barrier rather than walking the length of the store twice to go around. This elicited a holler from one of the neon-nazis, "oi mate," (spoiler, I'm not your mate, I'm a paying customer and the phrase you're looking for is "excuse me, sir"), "you're supposed to walk round!" I replied "why?" and got stroppily told "that's how queues work." Funny, I thought a prerequisite for a working queue was more than one person.
Something to do with the concentration of aerosols.
Damn you, autocorrect?
Those in shock from reading my comments may wish to consider a sit down with a cup of tea.
Some of us are not following the ‘rules’ because
... because you're a pair of selfish aerosols?
This is basically the anti-vax argument. Even if you, personally, are at low risk (or believe you are), the whole point of taking precautions is to protect those who are not. In isolation I'd probably think "I'd rather just catch it and get it over with, hopefully it won't be too bad and hopefully it'll leave me with an immunity" but my girlfriend's daughter has severe chronic asthma and covid19 stands a very real chance of finishing her off. Which might put a bit of a dampener on the relationship.
Meanwhile, her sister went to that moron convention in London at the weekend. It's going to be fun explaining to her why because of her actions she won't now be invited to my partner's upcoming birthday dinner.
Also talking to the lead consultant in intensive care gave me a far better insight to the reality than the propaganda.
And this is the Millennium Bug argument. "It was all a big fuss about nothing, nothing went wrong" whilst neatly ignoring the fact that a lot of clever people worked very hard for months and months to ensure that nothing happened.
Dunning-Kruger aside, it should come as no surprise to anyone who stops and thinks about it for five seconds that when you take steps to mitigate a problem, the problem lessens.
I'm not following it, the risk is so low no so I'm not ruining my life any longer for it.
I’m not following it, the risk is so low no so I’m not ruining my life any longer for it.
Risk to whom? Oh yes - ME ME ME ME!!
Me me me, yes. I suppose you're going to stop driving a car because of the air pollution it contributes to, which causes 4.2 million excess deaths per year according to the WHO?
Me me me, yes. I suppose you’re going to stop driving a car because of the air pollution it contributes to, which causes 4.2 million excess deaths per year according to the WHO?
Oh good, whataboutery.
I very rarely drive these days, a good side effect of actually following the guidelines. Lots of people on here commute by bike. So, shit argument, sorry.
Well a depressing 20 mins in Asda this afternoon, still probably 80% mask compliance but those not wearing them seemed to more noticeable, almost exclusively 20 to 40 age group women. Social distancing was non existent, the arrows and one way systems have gone. Staff were as bad, one older staff member with a very ample chest had 2mtrs apart printed on her uniform with a big horizontal arrow practically pushed me out the way, the irony meter was off the charts due lack of obeying tge message on her work wear and where it was written.
Me me me, yes. I suppose you’re going to stop driving a car because of the air pollution it contributes to, which causes 4.2 million excess deaths per year according to the WHO?
Well I haven’t had a car for over 10 years so yes, I’m calling you out for being selfish.
My next door but 3 neighbours have currently got a garden full and are getting louder and louder so can only imagine that they are getting on it....so things will slip as they do when one is under the influence!
Went to the supermarket on Friday and it was 50/50 wearing masks. I dont know why people cant just tow the line and do what is asked?
Here here for another deletin of a Facebook account! It caused me a lot if unnecessary stress and i didnt realise it! Not been on for months andi feel great!! 🙂
I’m not following it, the risk is so low no so I’m not ruining my life any longer for it.
Looks like someone squealed about my previous reply to this.....vanished into thin air it did.
Whilst I disagree wholeheartedly with the post I have quoted, I totally respect an individual's right to hold such an opinion during a global pandemic where everyone is dependent on everyone else doing the right thing. I also totally respect their right to put other people at risk because they are special.
Better?
I dont know why people cant just tow the line and do what is asked?
Because they are special and everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault.
So, shit argument, sorry.
It's not though is it, everyones actions, pandemic or not have an impact on someone elses health in some way.
Apparently my reply was too banterous for some to handle so got deleted. Anyway all I'm saying is there is two sides to every opinion and some of you would be shocked how many people are only following the rules because it's easier than questioning them... sets a pretty dangerous precedent.
Just because you see 80 percent of people following the rules doesnt mean they all agree with them.
Social distancing was non existent
Were people following the same individuals around the supermarket within 2 meters the whole time?
Just because you see 80 percent of people following the rules doesnt mean they all agree with them.
I don't care what they think. Just that they are doing the right thing.
some of you would be shocked how many people are only following the rules because it’s easier than questioning them… sets a pretty dangerous precedent.
It is all about context. Again, this is the anti-vax argument dressed in slightly different clothes.
Tell you what. If you feel so special and feel the need to let everyone know your opinions and the sacrifice that you personally are making, then get a t-shirt printed up saying:
"I am only wearing this mask because I have to. Please thank me".
80% mask compliance but those not wearing them seemed to more noticeable, almost exclusively 20 to 40 age group women.
That's what humans do ... they do what others in a group the identify with do. Substitute women from 20-40 with any other group...
I’m not following it, the risk is so low no so I’m not ruining my life any longer for it.
its the risk of you spreading it to vulnerable people you selfish arse. How many folk being killed by your actions is acceptable?
How hard is it to wear a mask?
Seriously, some people are quite incredible in their level of selfishness.