Smart Phone / iPhone. Same number of syllables. How is that longer or more stupid?
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Obviously "phone" is shorter than either and less stupid...
Smart Phone / iPhone. Same number of syllables. How is that longer or more stupid?
Dunno about you but I reckon iPhone is quicker to say than smart phone, certainly quicker to type. And smart phone sounds daft to me. Obviously because I'm one of the 'sheeple'.
I find it funny that people get upset over this - do you also get angry when people use the word 'tannoy' to mean a public address system? Or if they talk about using the hoover?
Obviously "phone" is shorter than either and less stupid...
As above though, they've evolved way beyond just being a phone. In fact the phone function is probably the part of mine I use the least, so just calling it a phone isn't a good fit.
Richpenny yes - the Gingerbread put me off as I will be on a new 2yr deal I wanted the fastest current tech possible if I was going to be stuck with it for two years. I discounted the Note from my search based on this. The Note2 addresses this perfectly 😀
If I take a phone on a ride with me its the B2700. I'd never take a valuable phone.
BTW, for the record I don't slag off people who love the Iphone. Its personal preference. If someone rams a particular product (any) down someones throat then (like anyone) I'd rebel/recoil.
On a night out? I'm passed going on a mega pub crawl, Visage night club and a punch up so I don't have to worry about having the phone on me down the local Ale pub.
Funny, when I've heard BBC types mention iPhones they call them 'my iPhone other smartphones are available' in one breath. Loads more syllables!
the discussion I referred to (in the thread) was about people [i]saying[/i] the words, not writing them.Dunno about you but I reckon iPhone is quicker to say than smart phone, certainly quicker to type.
I'm not annoyed - just pointing out your error.And smart phone sounds daft to me. Obviously because I'm one of the 'sheeple'.
I find it funny that people get upset over this - do you also get angry when people use the word 'tannoy' to mean a public address system? Or if they talk about using the hoover?
But if I was to say "I took a photo with my phone", or "I emailed from my phone" or "I played some music on my phone", you'd instantly know it wasn't just a 1980's Nokia. My computer at home is still my computer, even though it plays movies and music. I don't refer to it as my "electronic media centre".>Obviously "phone" is shorter than either and less stupid...As above though, they've evolved way beyond just being a phone. In fact the phone function is probably the part of mine I use the least, so just calling it a phone isn't a good fit.
26er vs 29er
These days it's more like a 25.99er vs 26.01er 😀
If I take a phone on a ride with me its the B2700. I'd never take a valuable phone.
Take my iPhone out every time as its the only smartphone I have and it has my Endomondo and various other useful apps on it.
£25 waterproof barmounted case - sorted. (Admittedly I'm not throwing myself off anything these days, but if I did I'd probably just stick the same case in my Camelbak.
As above though, they've evolved way beyond just being a phone. In fact the phone function is probably the part of mine I use the least, so just calling it a phone isn't a good fit.
This^. One of the most ingenious marketing moves made by any tech company. Attempts had been made for years to sell PDA's to an indifferent public, only business users had taken any interest, because the various OS's were less than user friendly, and the few apps available were mostly business orientated. Even Android was a BlackBerry clone.
Then Apple introduced a PDA with a simple to use touchscreen OS that, critically, did not require a stylus. And they called it the iPhone.
I ignored the first version, 'cos there was no GPS, and I had the N95, which was raved about by the media.
It was crap, utter, utter rubbish, from battery life, to the OS, the camera, the phone, everything, and that was a 'smartphone' that cost nearly £600 SIM-free!
The 3G iPhone that replaced it was a revelation, at last a portable device that did what it was supposed to do, and do it properly.
My new iP5 is a delight to use, the camera is astonishing, the processor is so damned quick, web downloads significantly quicker than my old 4, and the phone quality is vastly improved.
And it's compact enough to fit into my pocket and be unnoticeable.
The last thing I need is a phone I have to carry in a handbag because the bloody thing's the size of my head.
This has nothing to do with being a 'sheeple', being sucked in by advertising, and everything to do with having one portable device that fulfils many functions in a compact package, and connects easily with existing machines.
The iP5 is a breathtaking example of modern compact electronics. How they manage to cram everything into that case is beyond me, especially an 8Mp camera, and a processor that's as fast as my G4 PowerBook, with the same amount of RAM, and almost as much storage.
Astonishing.
The last thing I need is a phone I have to carry in a handbag because the bloody thing's the size of my head.
Heh. You have a handbag 😆
I disagree with the above poster stating the original iphone was utter rubbish. For me it started the revolution of smart phones. My biggest problem with iPhones is that they have stood still and not continued to push the boundaries. When the original iphone came out i had a sony k850 and I couldn't believe what the iphone could do.
I've had every single iphone since and sold my 4s around 5 months back and used an s2 for the past few months as a stop gap between 4s and 5 and honestly, it blew me away. Far better than the iphone in every way (apart from build quality), the amoled screen, correct aspect ratio 4.3" screen which is perfect, fast, thin, light.
I ordered 2 iphone 5's direct from apple, one for me and the other half. Both are being collected tomorrow as we've both found them to be a massive let down. Mine came with a mark on the bottom edge and apart from the panoramic mode on the camera, there was very little to like. Blacks were poor on the screen, new screen size made it feel thin, long and uncomfortable to hold and my biggest gripe is that the os has hardly changed in 5 years and feels dated and basic.
I use a mac and would never consider using a windows pc but I honestly cannot see myself owning another iphone unless they revamp the OS and sort out the screen size. A shame but I'm looking forward to seeing £1058 back in my bank account.
I had an N95 when the iPhone came out. It had quite a few more features afair and it was quite a bit cheaper than an iPhone. The camera was pretty good too, and I got 2-3 days from it. Still no idea why everyone slags it off as complete rubbish. Not pretty, not slick, but it worked for me and was very powerful.
Still no idea why everyone slags it off as complete rubbish.
I had the misfortune to have to put up with one of these for a year or so of a contract I couldn't get out of. It was, without doubt, the most rubbish phone I've ever owned. Yes, it had better tech than those I'd had before, but it was the one I hated using the most.
Still no idea why everyone slags it off as complete rubbish. Not pretty, not slick, but it worked for me and was very powerful.
I think the general populous are more swayed by pretty and slick to be honest.
Plus it helped that they could work the iPhone, whereas the N95, while excellent for the time, was very much a geek device: all function and no form.
The N95 was the Linux of the phone world - loads of potential, but the software and physical form were woeful.... as was this
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"Tank, I need an exit"
Potential schmotential.
It was rubbish.
I missed the 95 but had the N70,73,75 and the E75.
They all got better as they went. The E75 was at the time everyone was parading round with iphones.
It was great - proper keyboard, gps integrated with flickr and did facebook via web well (for it's age) was really good until it left my bag half way down the glacier in Alp D'heuz one mega.
Went from there to a Desire.
well its made my work news letter...........
IPhone apps and maps
There has been a lot of criticism of the new maps app in the recent software update for iPhones and iPads. So I tested it on our Bloomsbury campus. There are some extraordinary results. The UCL Hospital has moved from the other side of Gower Street and now sits exactly on the site of my office. Its emergency ambulance entrance becomes a snack shop. The Bloomsbury Theatre moves across Gordon Street and takes up residence in the Bartlett Building, and the Grant Museum of Zoology crops up at the back of the Spearmint Rhino Gentlemen's Club in Tottenham Court Road, at almost exactly the spot where a vicious assault occurs in Ian McEwan's UCL novel, Saturday. In another somewhat surprising move, Imperial College is upgraded from South Kensington to the heart of our Economics building in Endsleigh Gardens. That is a better fate than faces King's College London and the LSE: they both disappear without trace.
Have you read Apple's "apology" letter to customers?
http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/
Basically: [i]"sorry it was rubbish, please use something else till we make it better"[/i] 😆
Gee thanks Tim.
What else is he meant to say then? Go on.....
What else is he meant to say then? Go on.....
Well, he could have said:
[i]"We'll be releasing an update shortly which allows customers to revert to Google Maps till we fix the issues"[/i]
or perhaps [i]"We've reduced all the alternative Map apps on the App Store to half price (or even free)"[/i],
or he could at least have given some good reasons [i]why[/i] it is so crap.
I've found the Apple Maps fine, the turn by turn nav is much better than google - I ran it in parallel with my Garmin last weekend and to be honest my traditional SatNav is now redundant for the UKI'll use the phone and only use the SatNav abroad (to save data roaming charges).
In terms of phone vs smart phone vs iPhone .. we have hoover, biro etc - many brand names are used instead of the generic term. The fact the word iPhone is being used IMO reflects it's dominance.
@winrya - I'm amazed you'd buy two phones, perhaps they make sense instead of getting them with a contract. I haven't paid for a phone in years
Yes, he could. But he didn't. Lets move on shall we?
or he could at least have given some good reasons why it is so crap.
It's not.
As I said on another thread, I used the new Apple maps to guide me round all week last week (About 700 miles) after my satnav went on the blink.
And, shock horror, it worked perfectly. In fact, if a hard reset hadn't started my Garmin back up like it did, I would have just carried on using it. It's at least as good as the Garmin, maps wise, and calculates routes and re-routes far faster.
But hey-ho. It's always the negative comments that people latch on to.
Have you used it?
In terms of phone vs smart phone vs iPhone .. we have hoover, biro etc - many brand names are used instead of the generic term.
I've never heard the term 'iPhone' used to describe a non-iPhone phone, ever. I don't think that's (yet) quite the same thing. I wonder idly if that's just a matter of time though; 'iPod' is starting to mean 'generic mp3 player'.
I wonder if it's actually a fragmentation thing. People will routinely refer to their iPhones and Blackberries by name, but the broad selection of brands and models means that Android / WinMo devices don't have the same zeitgeist penetration individually. There isn't a collective noun other than "Android Phone" which isn't particularly snappy. Which might be a bit of a marketing misstep by Google, thinking about it. "Droid"?
Yes, he could. But he didn't. Lets move on shall we?
or he could at least have given some good reasons why it is so crap.
It's not.
So, write to him and let him know he's wrong, in fact it's great.
As I said on another thread, I used the new Apple maps to guide me round all week last week (About 700 miles) after my satnav went on the blink.And, shock horror, it worked perfectly. In fact, if a hard reset hadn't started my Garmin back up like it did, I would have just carried on using it. It's at least as good as the Garmin, maps wise, and calculates routes and re-routes far faster.
While it may function perfectly adequately as a postcode sat nav, most people are dismayed by it's other failings. POI, building locations and the visualisation of roads.
I'm sure it'll come together though, Google maps wasn't built in a day.
Have you used it?
Yes I have. On iPhone and iPad, though sadly not for turn-by-turn because for some reason best known to Apple they don't offer that on the iPhone 4 😐
It is [i]okayish[/i] round here. Usable, but not great.
Certainly doesn't have the detail of Google Maps, the local search is a bit rubbish, the aerial views are very mixed (some a cloudy blurry mess, others quite good). Directions seem okay provided you can find where you want it to go. I'm quite impressed with the 3D flyover thing, very nice when it works. This is me looking down the Tyne Valley to the sea from somewhere above my house:
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But the 3D model does seem to go a bit mental when it reaches bridges or other "suspended" objects of which we have a few in Newcastle, presumably because of the way it tries to automatically work out the 3Dness from multiple photos.
But hey-ho. It's always the negative comments that people latch on to.
I agree and it is probably a good measure of how often Apple get it right that when they get it wrong everyone jumps on them for it because their expectations are so high.
BUT.. the Map simply isn't good enough. I look forward to it improving.
Meantime I'll carry on using third party satnav like Waze, NavFree and BikeHub - all of which can manage turn-by-turn directions on the iPhone 4.
Have you used it?
I have yes, and it was fine mostly...but it was mrs deadly holding it and giving me the instructions. One thing though, do the turn by turn instructions come up automatically, or do you have to manually scroll them across?
EDIT: forget that question, I have a 4 too and just saw Gee2DaEss's post. 🙁
EDIT Squared:
because their expectations are so high.
Because they can't resist a bit of schadenfreude more like it.
Because they can't resist a bit of schadenfreude more like it.
Yeah him too.
anyone else seen this..?
[url= http://www.dailytech.com/Foxconn+Installs+AntiSuicide+Nets+at+Its+Facilities/article18877.htm ]what do we make of it...?[/url]
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What do you make of it?
I reckon the nets are to stop folk chucking out bags of parts/finished units, to accomplices below, to sell on any number of cheap Chinese tech ebay pages
They're on the dorm rooms, not the factory.
iOS10 Glitch
Yep.
It's very sad yunki, but it's hardly a iPhone or Apple issue.
Foxconn make a LOT of electronic devices for a LOT of manufacturers. Good to think about these things, but sitting at a PC and complaining about iPhones being made by Foxconn is missing the bigger picture.
but sitting at a PC and complaining about iPhones being made by Foxconn is missing the bigger picture.
is it Grahame..? Is that what it is..? Missing the bigger picture..?
or is it just not really giving a shit, just like everyone else.. 😀
Or perhaps we should burn all of our home technologies and simply sit at home shouting at our hands..?
Personally, and not for the first time, I'm staging a dirty protest in my own front room.. that'll teach 'em
Missing the bigger picture, and the Graham's point. Foxconn are massive, they make chips for just about everyone. It's not solely an Apple issue.
If you don't give a shit, why post it in the first place? Odd.
is it Grahame..? Is that what it is..?
Well you could call it "incredibly hypocritical" if you prefer. 😆
Point is, unless you happen to have manufactured your PC and all it's components yourself, using minerals that you have mined from your own land, then you have to face the fact that its construction involved shafting lots of people who are much poorer than you.
And that goes for pretty much everything in our cushy Western lives (TV, car, phone, PC, furniture, clothes, food).
Pointing at one particular thing and going [i]"Oh isn't it awful"[/i] is just a little bit silly.
It's not that I don't give a shit, it's just that I can't really do very much about it.
yada yada yada.. condescending nonsense.. bit silly
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how not to open the box with your new iPhone 5 in it;
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The foxconn suicide stuff is a good example of stats gone wrong.
There have indeed been a number of workers there kill them selves. Each individually very sad.
But foxconn employ 100s of 1000s of people.
So at a population level their suicide rate is lower than average. A foxconn worker is less likely to kill themselves than an average chineese person.
So it's just a good headline to bash Apple but not actually a real issue.
So with that nonscense banished we can go back to complaining about the new iPhone itself!
It's not that I don't give a shit, it's just that I can't really do very much about it.
And there I was thinking you were a consumer...
I really can't be bothered, I've rephrased this several times. Basically, I think your apathetic display on a public forum is as shameful as it is contagious. I find it arrogant that you feel that your actions are safeguarded because you know the bigger picture. I feel dismayed that you feel you are not to blame, and I am disappointed that you see the Suicide Net picture as, yes 'saddening', but otherwise purely in terms of whether or not it is Apple's fault.
To stop it, [i]Stop buying crap you don't need.[/i]
yada yada yada.. condescending nonsense.. bit silly
🙄 okay what do you suggest yunki?
Would the lives of those Foxconn workers be enhanced if we all stopped buying gadgets and put them all out of a job?
To stop it, Stop buying crap you don't need.
Same point to you then scuzz. How will reducing demand and putting them out of work improve their lives?
how not to open the box with your new iPhone 5 in it;
Whoaa, is that real? 🙁
...well hellloooo doggy-heaven
interesting camera glitch yesterday...
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I don't know the socioeconomic situation in China well enough to comment with any authority, but my argument is based around 'stop giving China money and their government will stop stealing the workers' farmland, their worker's sons won't move to the cities looking for work, their worker's sons won't see a job at Foxconn as the best alternative in a bad situation'.
Who knows what the Chinese know? I sure don't. I just know that the systematic exploitation of cheap labour is wrong, and I don't want to say anything today that may perpetuate it.
okay what do you suggest yunki?Would the lives of those Foxconn workers be enhanced if we all stopped buying gadgets and put them all out of a job?
I only asked what folk thought about the article ya daft wee hiccup.. 🙄
you and scuzz are the only fellas suggesting a boycott..
If pushed for a solution, I would suggest that folk get in a mood about it if it suits them, and see where it takes them..
