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Ooh that's considerably cheaper than I had read previously.
Rumours abound that the Motorola Xoom price is £720 and we shouldn't expect to pay much less: the firm's VP of international marketing, Andrew Moreley, says "the Motorola Xoom is clearly a premium device with premium prices inside. This will show in the cost."
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£500 is much more like it. Brings it into the same price range as the iPad, rather than marking it as a stand-out budget option. Interesting...
chipps - I work here
I'll get an iPad when someone explains what they actually do...
Is there not an app to tell you that?
Mmm Binatone HomeSurf 7:
http://www.reghardware.com/2011/02/14/review_tablet_binatone_homesurf_7/Lovely.
Yep, along with all the other cheapo non-brands that advertise in the back of shitty magazine/newspaper supplements.
there is a similar 'cult' around android/linux.
they are tools for a job that some brands are more suited to than others. pc or android devices are useless to me as the software i use is all mac based.
So what are these options?
An array of £30 plug-in adapters?
OK my eeePC is fatter than a fondleslab, but I can do a lot more for a lot less € and plug Ixus/EOS SD straight into lappy.
Is there a Linux version of itunes yet? Or is standard drag-drop to filesystem now also included (via USB and/or bleutooth, with whatever adaptery things are needed)?
Still only seen a single iPad1 in the wild. I guess 99.9% don't leave the house?
MrSmith - Member
there is a similar 'cult' around android/linux.
Agreed, and also with certain bike brands.....
you had a banana?!?!?! OHMYGOD! gimme gimme! 😀 is an iBanana with a higher resolution touch-skin and less memory than a 10pound tesco mp3 player? 😆
Try lying on your back and holding your laptop over your head!
I don't read magazines or books like that. Plus I don't imagine a tablet would be very comfortable slouched in a sofa and trying to type on it since I'd either have to have it flat on my lap placing it at an unreadably oblique angle, or hold it up so that I only have one hand with which to type.
My iBanana has an amazing app called birowrite. You can write on it. [b][i]WITH A BIRO![/i][/b]
😉
I've got a netbook with Flash, usb etc etc and cost way less than an Ipad. In fact it does everything a tablet does and more except 1. The screen is smaller 2. Its not touch screen.
3. It's not an IPS screen.
4. It has no GPS.
5. It has no cameras.
6. It doesn't have instant access to a store of 400,000+ vetted, virus-free apps to download.
7. It doesn't turn on instantly.
8. It doesn't have gyros.
9. It doesn't have 3G.
10. It doesn't give 10 hours of video playback on a single charge.
11. You do need to fanny about with virus scanners, malware, firewall, Windows Updates etc
Okay so some of those points may not be valid depending on which exact netbook you have but the point is that the "my laptop does all that" crowd don't seem to get that the tablet market is different and offers different things (generally sacrificing ultimate flexibility in order to gain the usability and ergonomics of a more focussed device).
Note: I don't have a tablet. But my nice little netbook gathers dust at the end of the sofa while I do 99% of my surfing on my phone. I see the advantage!
11. You do need to fanny about with virus scanners, malware, firewall, Windows Updates etc
I still don't get this. Been using Windows in our house since 3.1 and never had a "proper" virus. Why are people so shit at browsing the internet? I don't even have a virus scanner on my main pc any more, all they do is slow it down.
4. It has no GPS.
Mine does
5. It has no cameras.
Again yes
6. It doesn't have instant access to a store of 400,000+ vetted, virus-free apps to download.
Boo hoo! I have MS Office, Tracklogs, Cubase, Training Peaks, Eclipse, whatever I want!
8. It doesn't have gyros.
Doesn't need em.
9. It doesn't have 3G.
Yes it does
11. You do need to fanny about with virus scanners, malware, firewall, Windows Updates etc
Done once, for free, forget.
Dammit why am I getting drawn into this?
never had a "proper" virus. Why are people so shit at browsing the internet?
Browser vulnerabilities mean you can suffer "drive-by" viruses/attacks from well-respected but compromised websites. OS vulnerabilities mean you may be actively attacked just by being connected to the Internet.
Not all viruses/spyware arrive in [i]sexyladies.exe[/i] downloaded from a dodgy website.
Off topic a bit, but the £320 price tag makes the gopro camera (£300) look an absolute rip off.
5. It has no cameras.
Mine does
6. It doesn't have instant access to a store of 400,000+ vetted, virus-free apps to download.
I've never counted the number of apps on the Ubuntu/Debian/etc. repos, but it's gonna be "shed loads".
7. It doesn't turn on instantly.
Mine resumes pretty quick
8. It doesn't have gyros.
Don't need them
9. It doesn't have 3G.
My model doesn't - others do.
10. It doesn't give 10 hours of video playback on a single charge.
I've never got past half way thru a single LOTR film in one go, let alone the complete 3x 3hr boxset 😉
11. You do need to fanny about with virus scanners, malware, firewall, Windows Updates etc
Nor do I 🙂
Linux ftw.
why are you all making it so complicated?
if you want one then buy it.
can't afford it? tough shite.
got something already that you are happy with?
good now stop trying to convince those that have a desire/need for one that your choice is better, because [b]for their needs[/b] it isn't.
Dammit why am I getting drawn into this?
because people like to be reassured that they made the right decision. and to stop the niggling doubt of being misled at the back of their mind they like to verbalise their insecurities and to feel better after public affirmation from like-minded individuals.
Linux ftw.
It so isn't.
because people like to be reassured that they made the right decision. and to stop the niggling doubt of being misled at the back of their mind they like to verbalise their insecurities and to feel better after public affirmation from like-minded individuals
Maybe that's why the iPaddlers are so vocal about how wonderful they are? 🙂
@molgrips: as I said, not all points apply to all netbooks. Perhaps the most important aspect is that the "known" nature of iPhone/iPad hardware means that apps are specifically written to work on them and use all the hardware available. In this respect they are more like games consoles in that the capabilities (screen res, hardware, speed, memory) are fixed and known.
Your laptop may have GPS and cameras, but I'd wager that very few programs on it actually use them.
Maybe that's why the iPaddlers are so vocal about how wonderful they are?
if they are so good why are so many vehemently dismissive of them? 🙄
In this respect they are more like games consoles
Yes and that is a significant advantage.
Your laptop may have GPS and cameras, but I'd wager that very few programs on it actually use them
Well it's like any other Windows computer so the cameras are used by Skype, Live messenger etc. and anything that can use VFW.
The GPS works with Google Maps via Google Gears.
Waiting for a Playbook. Smaller form factor, Blackberry BES email portal, USB and SD. I liked Apple products when they were niche. Now they aren't. I have a non-upgradeable G5 iMac an original iPod photo that NEVER communicated with said iMac (but was fine with Windows) and the kids have an iPod Touch (currently confiscated 😈 ).
If they had reduced the current one to half price, I'd probably have bought one for sofa browsing...
if they are so good why are so many vehemently dismissive of them?
Of iPads? It's a reaction against the hype. I've no complains with iPads - another neat thing to use if you want it. But people ARE often trying to persuade you that you're wrong for liking normal laptops or whatever else you like.
People are just a little bit crazy here, and the only reason I can think of is the hype surrounding the big Pomme.
Well it's like any other Windows computer so the cameras are used by Skype, Live messenger etc. and anything that can use VFW.
The GPS works with Google Maps via Google Gears.
Yup. So the cameras get used by camera apps. The GPS by map apps etc.
It is rare to get PC apps that use combinations of these because only a select few laptops would be able to use them.
Whereas on an iPhone/iPad/droid-tablet apps that use multiple "peripherals" are common. e.g. something like Google Goggles will let you take a picture of a landmark then combine it with information from the GPS, compass and gyros to tell you exactly what it is.
Can you not use a mouse with an ipad?
I could see the point if I could use it say on a train in ipad mode, and then get to an office and plug it in to a keyboard and mouse.
Can you use iWorks with it?
Can you not use a mouse with an ipad?I could see the point if I could use it say on a train in ipad mode, and then get to an office and plug it in to a keyboard and mouse.
Can you use iWorks with it?
No official mouse support, although it can be done with a jailbroken one apparently.
There are verions of Pages, Numbers and Keynote for the ipad (
Ralli:
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Not brilliant but it's kind of a tablet that's a laptop and runs W7. Ok so it's not slim and light like a tablet should be, and I can't work out why you'd use it as a tablet when you can just type and use the touchpad...
I bought one and now rarely turn on the laptop. I use my main PC for the heavy lifting jobs and the iPad for browsing, checking mail, watching a film and the odd game. My laptop used to do that but isn't as nice to use. Also I do agree with the flash decision - my laptop would start kicking off all the fans when flash was on a page (including STW).
Horses for courses, innit?
I also find it useful in a very sad way of making the shopping list; I can carry it around the kitchen to see if we really do need to buy more vim/pasta/tinned tomatoes etc.
What's an IPAD?
I'll get an iPad when someone explains what they actually do...
Mine was great at protecting my testicles post vasectomy when walking with the kids. It's good to surf the web while eating breakfast....other than that, it's pretty pointless.
you forgot to add 'for me'
I've only seen a couple of iPads in the wild too. Where I have seen them used (to good effect) are by non-computery types who have it in the living room as a sort of portable Google. Used as a 'ooh, I'll just look that up' instant-on machine it seems fine. I've yet to find another use for one.
chipps: I hear they are quite good for browsing digital editions of magazines on. You should maybe look into that 😉
Can't they read PDF? 😉
this is mainly what i'll be using mine for as an ultra-portable extra screen when shooting on location but with the new case as as stand.
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Quick Q for ipad users
Can you use iphone apps you paid for on the ipad, or will you need to buy them again?
I guess it depends on the developer?
or with capture pilot for phase one software.
Surprised the screen can stand up to that kind of crap, tbh. Uggs?
I have to say that does look like a handy setup, MrSmith 🙂 Do you know if it can be used as an external monitor for video work as well, say with a 7D?
Browser vulnerabilities mean you can suffer "drive-by" viruses/attacks from well-respected but compromised websites. OS vulnerabilities mean you may be actively attacked just by being connected to the Internet.Not all viruses/spyware arrive in sexyladies.exe downloaded from a dodgy website.
Well if I do get these viruses, none of them have noticeably affected the way my computer runs so they may as well not exist to me. Ignorance is bliss 😛
I'll get an iPad when someone explains what they actually do...I've had Apple computers for 18 years and suddenly, in the last couple of years I'm not impressed with much that Apple has done.
I'm the same. Fell in love with Macs at college, learned Photoshop on them, bought my first iMac 10 years ago, which I've still got and still works fine, albeit a little slower than current stuff. Bought a Mac Pro 4 years ago; was £800 cheaper spec for spec than the closest PC. And had OSX on it.
But Apple is now a trendy brand, not simply a company making decent computers. Their prices have risen disproportionately, and I no longer think Apple gives very good value for money; there's always a non-Apple product which does more for less. I don't mind a small premium, but now stuff can be up to twice as much or even more, for similarly specced PC stuff. Apple gear is very good quality, but the brand desirability has pushed things beyond a reasonable level.
iPads do seem significantly cheaper than I remember though. Are they?
ski - Member
Quick Q for ipad usersCan you use iphone apps you paid for on the ipad?
As long as you sync it to the same itunes, yes.
iPads do seem significantly cheaper than I remember though. Are they?
They've dropped the price of the 1st Gen iPads to make way for new stock.
You can buy a 1st Gen 16GB new from Apple for £329 and probably cheaper elsewhere.
I think the iPad 2 start from £420ish.
Thanks CaptJon.
Well if I do get these viruses, none of them have noticeably affected the way my computer runs so they may as well not exist to me. Ignorance is bliss
Yeah they won't. Most modern viruses are subtler and more sophisticated than than that. Rather than causing carnage they do things like installing a keyboard logger, add you to a bot net, turn you into a proxy, that kind of thing.
Browser vulnerabilities mean you can suffer "drive-by" viruses/attacks from well-respected but compromised websites. OS vulnerabilities mean you may be actively attacked just by being connected to the Internet.
Not all viruses/spyware arrive in sexyladies.exe downloaded from a dodgy website.
Nothing particularly Windows specific about any of those, either - and most of the security risk these days seems to come from Adobe and Java, not the underlying OS. Perhaps removing both from a computer isn't that bad an idea, after all.