I have this punter who would probably pass her driving test if she went for it, but in reality she cant drive worth a ****. She claims to be running out of cash and time to get her licence. Do i let her book her test? Bearing in mind that she would be a liability on the roads.
This raises a number of troubling questions. 😯
The road is full of liabilities, so why not add another!
Yes, let her book it. She pays you to teach her to pass the test, not how to drive.
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What is a "dilemna"? Is it something you're writing about for your dissertshun?
What does she look like ?
Oh. Is it [b]He[/b]?
I've been away. 🙂
Tell her she's a liability.
Serious question. Also, I have never taught anyone to simply pass a test. I could do that in 5 or 6 lessons.
I have never taught anyone to simply pass a test. I could do that in 5 or 6 lessons.
Could you really?
yes. easily. just like they used to do years ago. wouldn't be a city route though.
Sounds like a challenge.
Any driver could pass in 5 or 6 lessons? You really believe that?
wouldn't be a city route though.
So how do you get to choose the route they take on their test?
i beg to differ. 5 or 6 lessons to pass a driving test. 
You must be an awesome instructor. 🙄
most could pass in 5 or 6 lessons. by choosing your test centre wisely you get to choose the test route - Duns has two routes which are the same but opposite directions and peebles has 3 very similar routes.
You must be an awesome instructor.
He must be much more than an awesome instructor. My mum couldn't even learn to operate a car in 6 hours, never mind pass a driving test.
So that's where you get it from! 😛
most could pass in 5 or 6 lessons. by choosing your test centre wisely you get to choose the test route - Duns has two routes which are the same but opposite directions and peebles has 3 very similar routes.
So you can't teach anyone to pass in 5 or 6 lessons then. Only SOME people. And only if you get them to take their test on easier rural routes?
Are you a qualified tester? If not, you are not qualified to make that decision.
Also, I'm sure most drivers would admit, you learn to drive a car after you pass your test.
Chaps, chaps, we are not here to discuss Goan's skills as a driving instructor; but to argue the merits of putting an unsafe driver through her test.
M_F - stop being a prick.
stop being a prick.
Talking to yourself I assume as it is you coming out with the stupid claims!
Surfr - yes i am qualified to test peoples driving ability - not an examiner though.
The idea that you only learn to drive once you've passed your test is why the standards in this country are so piss poor too. Those most drivers you refer to are ****ing dangerous.
you dont start learning to drive really until after your test, not really BUT IMHO you what you learn in the lessons is basically how to pass the test, not how to drive. Hopefully though during this process your instructor helps you to begin to learn to drive and you come away safe to 'really' learn to drive. Put her forward and let the exam people decide.
LOL, then changes his post too. 🙂
M_F - what is your problem here?
M_F - what is your problem here?
Your ridiculous claim that you could teach anyone to pass a driving test in 5 or 6 lessons is my problem. It shows either painful smuggery or just a simple lack of empathy with the abilities of some (perhaps most) learner drivers.
what is your problem here?
You sound like the 'trolling thread-fighter' mate
Put her in for the test. It's for the examiners to decide if she is capable of driving. Hopefully she'll get someone who'll look at general competance as well as mechanical ability, if not it's not your responsibility.
Your first responsibility is to your customer, she's contracted you to teach her to pass her test, suggest that she needs additional training post passing the test, if she doesn't take your professional advice there's not much you can do about it.
I agree with Goan, be quite easy to pass a test in 5 or 6 lessons if all you did was practice on a route. say 1 lesson getting used to car. 2 Lessons Learning the manouvers. 2 Lessons Learnign the route you might be doing. 1 Lesson just brushing up on skills.
But you would know nothing about driving through the town, learn about roundabouts ans stuff liek that.
Goan is basically saying he believes the girl would pass her test due to her being able to do manouvers, knowing the route, but general driving she is poor.
M_F - get a grip, he merely asked a decent question and you started slating him.
I passed my test after 9 Lessons, but one lesson was driving in the dark, one was dual carrigeways (not in my test) and one was just brushing up on skills. So doesnt sound unreasonable.
M_F - why is it a ridiculous claim? You an expert in this field? Where did I say that I could teach every single person to pass their test on a city route in 5 or 6 lessons? You're making way too many assumptions there.
You tell her she's not ready to pass. Hardly complicated.
I'd hope you'd tell her she wasnt ready. And if you've had lots of lessons from her maybe give her a small discount on a couple of refreshers before her test?
I passed in 11, not sure I could have done it any faster.
You gain confidence and awareness once you've passed and have driven a lot but you also pick up lots of bad habits, I've lost count of the TV programmes they've had qualified drivers retake their tests and failed, pretty sure I would without really being careful.
As for the OP, I'd say advise her against it but book it if she insists. Or work out another way for her to fund her lessons :p
Where did I say that I could teach every single person to pass their test on a city route in 5 or 6 lessons?
You said [i]Also, I have never taught anyone to simply pass a test. I could do that in 5 or 6 lessons.[/i]
So you can teach anyone to drive in 5 or 6 lessons. Apart from the ones you can't teach in 5 or 6 lessons? I understand now.
M_F - get a grip, he merely asked a decent question and you started slating him.
I was slating him for his attitude regarding his ability to be able to teach anyone to drive so quickly, not for the OP.
M_F - You like being pirnickety (SP?). TBH he didnt actually say everyone did he.
IMO stop being an arse and offer him a good opinion rather than arguing about how good an instructor is. He asked for advice as a. he doesnt want to put an unsafe driver on the road abd b. he doesnt want to drag it out too long as lessons are not cheap.
can well believe that you could teach some one to pass in a lot fewer lessons than it takes to learn to drive.
from my unscientific sample of a few of my mates some were only taught some of the manouvers. hoping that they'd not get asked! most of them can only just revrse bay park to one side! because your never expected to do the other in the test etc. etc.
TBH he didnt actually say everyone did he.
Well he said he could teach anyone to pass a test in 5 or 6 lessons so I think he did.
[b]I have never taught anyone to simply pass a test. I could do that in 5 or 6 lessons.[/b]
[i]most could pass in 5 or 6 lessons[/i]
Why has no one noticed that the length of lesson hasn't been given. I can understand why mastiles_fanylion is having a go at goan - this is Smee/Glupton/etc after all with another of his amzing skillz claims.
Anyway to the answer the original question if you think she is capable of passing her test then let her go for it, it's down to the examiner to determone whether she is fit to be on the road or not.
M_F - in my "Also, I have never taught anyone to simply pass a test." sentence the anyone refers to a single non-specific person. In my "I could do that in 5 or 6 lessons." sentence it refers to a single person again - nowhere does it say every single person. If I wanted to get smart I could also point out that I never specified the length of each lesson either - 5 or 6 day long lessons would get most through - 5 or 6 week long lessons with a 12 hour break per 24 hour period would get everyone through....
As an aside - how many hours of lessons did you lot have before sitting your first test? With me it was 6.
I passed in 5 hours.
[i]5 or 6 week long lessons with a 12 hour break per 24 hour period would get everyone through.[/i]
Everyone, really - you sure?
Fair enough you didn't specify every single individual, but the inference was clearly there. You can dis-claim the comment if you like. And 5 or 6 lessons could be week long I agree.
I could get someone to pass their test in one lesson then. A single year-long lesson.
Anyway, for me it was something like 24 lessons and two tests. The instructor said I was ready after 4 lessons but a dreadful winter meant I couldn't get a test date and my dad insisted on continuing to pay for lessons (then I made a silly, SILLY error on my first test).
My brother passed after two lessons. He taught himself to drive by watching my dad driving - just had a couple of lessons to be sure to know what to do on a test.
you took an inference from it that wasn't intended.
you took an inference from it that wasn't intended.
Fair enough. So you aren't able to get students to test standard in 5 or 6 lessons then?
I've just remembered this. 🙂
M_F - Most, but not all and some, but not none.
M_F - Most, but not all and some, but not none.
Glad we have got to the bottom of it finally.
😉
4 x 45 min lessons
1 test
3 minor faults
Do I win a prize?
Do I win a prize?
No, so far I think my brother does, sorry 😉
As an aside - how many hours of lessons did you lot have before sitting your first test?
4 lessons for me & then passed my test
I'd been racing cars & bikes for a while though so actually operating the thing was omitted from the lessons
Oh well, at least I can read thoroughly, can he do that?
🙂
As an aside - how many hours of lessons did you lot have before sitting your first test?Passed in 8.
Only had lessons as had no car to practice in.
However, I had been riding motorbikes for 4 years beforehand, which was brilliant help except for:
1. Road position too close to the white line.
2. trying to "lean" the car into corners
3. just relying on the wing mirrors
The examiner was impressed with the lifesavers though.