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they could drag hunt and have all the fun without the kills. the very fact they will not do this but continue the myth of trail hunting tells you that its all about the kill
It totally is TJ. And why would they bother with the Terriermen if it wasn't so?
There was recent flash in the pan online outrage regarding a member of a hunt being filmed punching a horse or something. In the video you can see a quad bike with the terrier boxes on top so they're still being used.
Car driver in “country roads are just for me to use “ shocker.
No different to a flock of sheep being moved on a road.
And the fact it was hounds is irrelevant, it was other road users.
Think you need to read the OP again brads. Cattle and sheep very rarely come steaming out of bushes. They tend to amble about even when they’ve escaped. In most cases there’s an obvious couple of gates between fields and timing of movements are well known by most. What the OP describes is entirely different. A bunch of self entitled people with no regards for the safety of others.
And the fact it was hounds is irrelevant,
Did the owner have them under control, on that road?
1998 ay 23 years ago.
Tresspas the heinous crime you’re so vocal about.
Its now clear from a recent court case that thre law on controlling dogs applies to hunt hounds. Out of control on a road - illegal. Chasing a trail scent over a road - not at all likely
Several laws being broken by that hunt.
So Drac? Plenty of other violations against the morpeth hunt none of which resulted in convictions because of the friendly relationship with the police.
those you mentioned Drac may not be as bad as the likes of Buccleuch or Beaufort but they are still breaking the law repeatedly and deliberately. they are all 4 you mentioned still deliberately killing foxes
I stand by my thesis there is not a single trail hunt acting within the law.
No different to a flock of sheep being moved on a road.
And the fact it was hounds is irrelevant, it was other road users.
As described, it sounded pretty different to me. I'd not expect a whole flock of sheep to suddenly burst out of a hedge.
As described, it sounded pretty different to me. I’d not expect a whole flock of sheep to suddenly burst out of a hedge.
Unless they’re being chased by a load of dogs.
Who were in turn being chased by a leopard. Moral of the story: expect the unexpected when hooning it round the lanes.
So Drac? Plenty of other violations against the morpeth hunt none of which resulted in convictions because of the friendly relationship with the police.
Really you think the police have a friendly relationship with the hunts?
I’ve no doubt fox hunting still goes on but you can’t claim they all do it and all criminals. As mentioned you’d be in uproar of a hunt made such claims against all cyclists.
In northumberlanbd - yes. cheshire as well is bad for this.
What that information shows is the hunts are still deliberately chasing and killing foxes. all 4 that you mentioned.
The facts support my thesis that all trail hunts are acting outside the law. Thats 5 hunts claimed to be acting within the law. Every one of the five there is good evidence they are not.
If you can find me a clean trail hunt I will retract the statement. But I know you cannot because the whole purpose of trail hunting is to act as a smokescreen for killing foxes otherwise they would be drag hunting.
I’ve no doubt fox hunting still goes on but you can’t claim they all do it and all criminals.
Have you watched that zoom meeting by the hunting office or paid attention to the trial? How many hunts have rejected the hunting office and set up a new organisation which doesnt have senior officials talking about smokescreens?
As mentioned you’d be in uproar of a hunt made such claims against all cyclists.
A better comparison would be a club of "cyclists" owning derestricted e-bikes. Sure they might only ride on their own private land but a reasonable assumption would be they dont.
Presumably you put them up as a bastion of fair play as a joke?
Shamefully although they are close to me I didn't know they were quite such a bunch of bastards.
Nothing to be ashamed of. Hunts are getting pretty good at disguising their true activities, but the mask still slips regularly enough.
Lolz @drac still trying to claim they’re trying to work within the law
No surprise @brad coming on and spouting shit with regards to this issue
It’s barbaric and they’re (in the main) a horrible bunch of ‘people’. I have relatives involved in blood sports and am aware of their pathetic attempts to defend this horrible activity. Not related by blood thank goodness.
you’d be in uproar of a hunt made such claims against all cyclists.
What illegal activity are the cyclists being accused of en-masse here? The hunts' very reason to exist
(to chase foxes with dogs) was outlawed in the ban. Not aware that there is similar commonality in cycling.
And as said, their coordinating body has been exposed as promoting mass disobeyance of the law. Pretty damning.
Cheshire Forest Hunt.
That'll be the same Cheshire Forest Hunt whose supporters held down one of my mates and broke his leg with a rock back in the day before hunting was banned. We sabbed them relentlessly for years. They were shit at hunting back then (largely due to our input 😀) so I hope they're more successful following trails. Is Matthew Puffer still the huntsman? He was an odd guy, didn't seem to mind us being around, and was less than complimentary about his Masters.
Shamefully although they are close to me I didn’t know they were quite such a bunch of bastards.
Ask me about them in the pub next time. I can tell you lots of stories. TBF they weren't nearly as bad as the Cheshire Hunt or the Cheshire Beagles. They were a proper bunch of unhinged psycopathic inbred c****. The Forest paled in comparison.
Who knew I could find myself agreeing with TJ! We also live rural northumberland/durham and see them knocking about. I hold them in the same regard as the "shooters" and all the whallopers who trudge across the fells beating for them. Laughable but each to their own I guess.
Also, I genuinely find it funny that if you are vocal about it being a heinous pasttime, then you are "just not country folk". All this chat about it being "history" and part of the area? Absolute drivel. Sending 6 yr olds up the smelting flues was also part of the history too.
One good thing to come from this thread though - this gem of a song.
Forgotten about that number!
Really you think the police have a friendly relationship with the hunts?
Hahahhaha! Have a go at disrupting their activities and let me know how it goes. You'll soon see how close the cops are to the hunts. I've literally seen hunts kicking the shit out of sabs and driving their landrovers at them in fields whilst the cops stood and watched. Cheshire police were famous for it.
What illegal activity are the cyclists being accused of en-masse here?
They jump red lights, they ride on footpaths and ride in pairs. All terrible crimes according to those who don’t like cyclists.
I guess they should get in favour with the police like all the hunts in Northumberland.
Drac - the difference is the truth. all trail hunts deliberately flout the law. thats a simple fact. Trail hunting is a cover for illegal fox hunting as is proven. If they want the jouilies legally they could drag hunt using anis. why don't they? Because its just a cover for killing foxes
I note also that the 4 hunts you mentioned as paragons of virtue are all proven to have been involved in illegal activity
There’s also a weird inverse snobbery about it. It’s seen as a ‘toffs’ thing so automatically bad for some reason. Kind of the same mentality that gets expensive cars intentionally keyed etc
There is snobbery for sure but not in the way you suggest. Imagine for a minute that the local flat roof pub had a thing where they all met up, swigging Stella from cans and shouting loudly, before chasing feral cats about the estate on mini motos before ****ing them up on the street and letting their staffies finish them off. Oh and the kids come along to watch.
What I've just described is less absurd than fox hunting. It's a historical aberration that only persists through the veneer of respectability it gets from the toffs and fancy jackets. And the British public's deference to the aforementioned.
Is Drac drunk?
I note also that the 4 hunts you mentioned as paragons of virtue are all proven to have been involved in illegal activity
I’ve no idea. It was 4 hunts off the top of my head. You’re blanketing all hunts and members as criminals, I mean for one hunt you had to go back 23 years. Can you not see that?
Is Drac drunk?
Not yet.
I always thought Drac was a vampire so naturally inclined for a bit of the old Claret
First they came for the Fox Murderers
Then they came for the Undead
What I can see Drac and what is well proven is that all trail hunts are a cover for criminal conspiracies. this is well proven and why they have been banned from all national trust land etc.
the only reason trail hunting exists is to provide cover for the criminal activity of killing foxs - this is the bit you seem unable to grasp. If they want to just get their jollies dressing up and charging around the countryside then they can do that as a legal and legitimate drag hunt
So yes - until you can show me a trail hunt that stays within the law I am quite happy with my thesis that all are criminal conspiracies given that 1) its the only reason for them to exist and 2) the overwhelming body of evidence
Why you refuse to accept this is beyond me.
You’re blanketing all hunts and members as criminals, I mean for one hunt you had to go back 23 years. Can you not see that?
No one is blaming all hunts.
Draghunts arent being accused of being criminals.
Trail hunts which were set up after the foxhunting ban and use "prey scent" and have senior officials recorded saying how to play the system are correctly considered a lot more dubious.
To take your rather poor cycling analogy it would be like cycling UK reps being caught talking to club representatives about how to get away with red light jumping.
the only reason trail hunting exists is to provide cover for the criminal activity of killing foxs – this is the bit you seem unable to grasp.
Yes it has been I’m well aware of that but you can not claim it’s all hunts. The NT banned them based on one hunt, they decided take a general ban, thankfully.
It’s literally that TJ a thesis. You’ve found evidence of trespassing for Tynedale and some hoe come to the conclusion that’s evidence for illegal hunting. I genuinely wish they’d ban it outright, as I’ve already stated. But simply can’t say all hunts and members break the law on hunting foxes.
But simply can’t say all hunts and members break the law on hunting foxes.
Can we say maybe 95% then, for arguments sake?
The NT banned them based on one hunt, they decided take a general ban, thankfully.
Incorrect. A major part of why the NT banned them was due to the representatives of the hunting committee being caught advising on how to muddy the waters when continuing to fox hunt.
Or as one of them put it.
“It’s a lot easier to create a smokescreen if you’ve got more than one trail layer operating and that is what it’s all about, trying to portray to the people watching that you’re going about legitimate business.”
Now if the individual hunts didnt agree with that I would be expecting them to be kicking up a fuss and most likely quit the organisation.
They didnt.
National Resources Wales put it well
“The outcome of the court case against a senior leader of the MFHA has resulted in a loss of confidence in the organisation’s ability to ensure its activities are carried out within the law and terms of its agreement.”
Can we say maybe 95% then, for arguments sake?
94.99% that’s my final offer.
Incorrect. A major part of why the NT banned them was due to the representatives of the hunting committee being caught advising on how to muddy the waters when continuing to fox hunt.
Sorry, I understand it was my mistake.
But simply can’t say all hunts and members break the law on hunting foxes.
You can when its the only purpose for them existing otherwise they would be drag hunts not trail hunts. There is no other purpose for this fiction of a legal trail hunt but to provide plausible deniability they are still fox hunting
When the boss off the umbrella organisation makes this clear then yes its safe to say that its all so called Trail hunts
94.99% that’s my final offer.
So that’s just a massive majority then?
That’ll do me, it’s a deal.
I’m with TJ on the whole subject anyway.
“The outcome of the court case against a senior leader of the MFHA has resulted in a loss of confidence in the organisation’s ability to ensure its activities are carried out within the law and terms of its agreement.”
I imagine this is going to be a big blow for the hunting lot. I mean, everyone always assumed they'd just carried on regardless but now it's been proved, it kinds of sets a precedent. any future infractions should result in quite the kicking. Assuming their mate's not on the bench of course...
You’ve found evidence of trespassing for Tynedale and some hoe come to the conclusion that’s evidence for illegal hunting.
Now now, as a mod you should be setting an example and getting your point across without resorting to name calling. Also, your grammar is pish. Not sure which is worse tbh.
My grammar is piss for the reason as my spelling, I’m dyslexic.
Well that went down like a lead fart, I was actually joking about the grammar to make the typo work. Can't say I've ever noticed before.
Apologies.
Quite the interesting read.
Hunting of all kinds is barbaric and disgusting in my opinion.
I do wonder tho, how many are sharing similar thoughts, whilst tucking into their factory farmed meat dinners. A life of misery, brutality, poor living conditions, then to be killed without mercy.... and im not talking about the foxes.
But then i suspect that's a different conversation (maybe one about double standards)
I do wonder tho, how many are sharing similar thoughts, whilst tucking into their factory farmed meat dinners. A life of misery, brutality, poor living conditions, then to be killed without mercy…. and im not talking about the foxes.
But then i suspect that’s a different conversation (maybe one about double standards)
Yes, it’s a different thread about vegantaryism. This is about the illegality of fox hunting.
No
This is a thread about driving too fast on country roads and not expecting other people to be using said roads.
Brads - actually its about a pack of hounds appearing suddenly on the road in breach of a bunch of laws
This is a thread about driving too fast on country roads and not expecting other people to be using said roads.
No, that’s what you’ve implied. But, seeing as you don’t know the exact speed the OP was doing, then you can’t say he was going too fast. How fast is ‘too fast’ on country roads?
I’m still with TJ on this & lived in the countryside long enough to know what hunting’s really about.
This is a thread about driving too fast on country roads and not expecting other people to be using said roads.
A good driver is alert and ready to respond to the unexpected. The OP appears to have ticked that box.
That does not give everyone else justification to do what they want, when they want with impunity. Being responsible for a pack of hounds and allowing them to crash onto a live lane through a fence is irresponsible and you know it. And like any other act where a person with responsibility can take steps to avoid the situation occurring, if they don't the culpability lies with them. If those steps means 'hunts' (term used laughably) are no longer viable, then they are no longer viable.