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@esselgruntfuttock - its probably best to include my line before too, 'Hunting of all kinds is barbaric and disgusting in my opinion.', to give relevance to the statement you quoted.
As whilst this post is about many things, a fair few people have mentioned the barbaric nature of fox hunting, which in turn is what my point was about. Animals being cruelly abused and killed.
Happy to add that i agree dogs/horses/people all piling onto a country lane with little to no warning is dangerous and reckless. i would be pretty distraught if i was the OP and was unfortunate enough to hit a dog or horse. Imagine that.... popping out to have your car written off by a horse.
Happy to add that i agree dogs/horses/people all piling onto a country lane with little to no warning is dangerous and reckless
and breaking a whole bunch of laws
Happy to add that i agree dogs/horses/people all piling onto a country lane with little to no warning is dangerous and reckless
This is the nub of it for me. I've lived in rural areas most of my life, and you expect trailers and tractors and all sorts of stuff going on, on rural back roads, and that's just par for the course. I've run, and cycled past hunts and their hangers on countless times. There's no way I'd expect a hunt to just charge across a road like the OP describes, that's just dangerous for everyone.
There’s no way I’d expect a hunt to just charge across a road like the OP describes, that’s just dangerous for everyone.
Standard operating procedure. they care not one jot for the law or for others. This is something hunts do all the time. Its not just reckless its breaking a lot of different laws
Well that went down like a lead fart, I was actually joking about the grammar to make the typo work. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed before.
Ah! Sorry it didn’t across that way. Possibly my bad
This is something hunts do all the time.
I was going to write something about my experiences of Hunts when I lived in rural South Northants, but then I realised that TJ has already decided "what all hunts do all the time" so there's probs not much point in discussing it here.
and breaking a whole bunch of laws
Just out of interest..... what laws exactly?
Standard operating procedure. they care not one jot for the law or for others. This is something hunts do all the time. Its not just reckless its breaking a lot of different laws
See the Leith hunt out a lot do you.?
If your from Scotland you’ll have been lucky to have ever seen a hunt out.
Just out of interest….. what laws exactly?
TJ’s law obv
Just out of interest….. what laws exactly?
Hunting mammals with dogs is the big one. a trail would not be led across a road so the fact they went across the road in full flight means they were chasing a fox.
then the need to control all dogs on the roadside
road traffic act 1988
A person who causes or permits a dog to be on a designated road without the dog being held on a lead is guilty of an offence.
Then the stuff about dogs out of control etc.
I was going to write something about my experiences of Hunts when I lived in rural South Northants
Go on - please name the hunt when you are at it
the only reason for a trail hunt rather than a drag hunt is to keep killing foxes. there is no other reason. the leader of the hunts said so and if hunts repudiate him why have they not left the organisation he is in charge of?
so the fact they went across the road in full flight means they were chasing a fox.
Lol
Its true Brads. A trail scent would not be laid across a road as to do so requires risk assessments etc.
so if they were not chasing a fox ( which of course they were) they would then be breaking loads of other laws around health and safety and road traffic acts
but then I realised that TJ has already decided “what all hunts do all the time”
TBF TJ's complaints about what the hunts do is pretty small fry compared to what they get up to when there are sabs around. Already this year there have been numerous reports of shocking violence perpetrated by hunts against protesters who are there to ensure they obey the law. The violence has got worse since it was banned, which is odd if they have nothing to hide. 🙄
https://twitter.com/HuntSabs/status/1472185072979779587?s=20
then the need to control all dogs on the roadside
road traffic act 1988
Section 27 : 4b, or does it not count? (exemption for dogs used in sporting purposes).
You can add mysogyny to the list as well as causing chaos on roads 😂 (not work safe BTW in case anyone's in an office)
It could be argued but recent decisions have shown that dangerous dogs act applies to hunting hounds and if its a trail scent does the "sporting" exception still apply?
If a trail scent was laid over a road it would have to be fully risk assessed and marshalled as then the health and safety at work acts would apply as its a foreseeable risk and to some of the hunt its work
would need court cases to be certain but its pretty clear that either they were chasing a fox - illegal or had not done proper risk assessments if its a trail hunt. so either way thats one law at least broken
but its pretty clear that either they were chasing a fox
Maybe in your head but there's absolutely no way that anybody can be sure of that.
sharkbait - why were they in full cry across a road then? As above to lay a trail across a road would require a lot of stuff like risk assessments, health and safety stuff.
for that reason a trail would not be laid over a road.
sharkbait
Free MemberMaybe in your head but there’s absolutely no way that anybody can be sure of that.
Either they were chasing a fox, or the trail had been set up dangerously and the hunt is run by negligent idiots.
(just to restate the obvious; if it were an innocent trail hunt, they'd avoid roads wherever possible. Road crossings should be manned for safety. And there'd be no drawback to slowing down to cross the road safely because they're not chasing something that can escape)
So yes I suppose it's possible that they weren't chasing a fox. But let's be realistic.
How do you know they didn't carry out a risk assessment?
Do foxes carry out a risk assessment before they run across the road?
sharkbait
Free MemberHow do you know they didn’t carry out a risk assessment?
Do foxes carry out a risk assessment before they run across the road?
If they did a risk assessment it was the worst ever. "Charging across a road without any sort of safety measures at all? Sounds great!"
Why mention foxes if you don't accept that they were chasing a fox?
How do you know they didn’t carry out a risk assessment?
Do foxes carry out a risk assessment before they run across the road?
THE most stupid thing I've read in an internet argument for a while. 😀
Maybe in your head but there’s absolutely no way that anybody can be sure of that.
Oh FFS just give up the pretence. Anyone with half a brain knows that hunts hunt foxes rather than following trails. You think they give a shit about risk assessments or the law? They're nothing short of entitled pricks who think they're above the law and anyone who stands in the way of their grubby indefensible hobby.
I hate to break this to you but Foxes don’t have to carry out risk assessments
Happy to add that i agree dogs/horses/people all piling onto a country lane with little to no warning is dangerous and reckless. i would be pretty distraught if i was the OP and was unfortunate enough to hit a dog or horse. Imagine that…. popping out to have your car written off by a horse.
Ahh, how disappointing. For a moment there I assumed you'd be distraught for the horse. But no, damage to your precious car.
Horse is part of a criminal conspiracy so **** that guy
But no, damage to your precious car.
In complete juxtaposition with the hunter who bursts onto a road with no care for damage to their mount.
😉
Only a couple of years ago OH had almost the same experience as the OP except she had to brake hard/stop for the fox. Soon followed by the hounds amd horses. One of the riders even stopped to thank her for letting them cross. She was so shocked and speechless that she couldn't say that she hated the whole thing as much as I do. I believe she did report it but I don't know what happened. That would be Bedale/west of Yore hunt TJ.
Horses involved in criminal conspiracy. Foxes failing to complete risk assessments.
These animals are taking the bloody piss!
Nothing but, well, animals!
🙂
Hate speech? The head of the local country estate when I was younger had a dog called ****....
Speaking from some degree of experience, not all people into country sports are toffs. But most are border-line inbred. The rest are wealthy 'city' types who like to do sadistic shit that happens to be accepted due to tradition.
****….
Strange name for a dog.
^ yes. It's a little hard to roll off the tongue. Maybe it's easier for dogs to pronounce?
(The 'N' word'. I censored it myself but not enough apparently, as I got a friendly message from 'upstairs' ha ha).
I know two people who currently have dogs with that name.
And also a talented doggy actor.
Edit: Not an doggy actor at all. Well, the one in the photo is. But he was real dog apparently. Mascot of an aircraft squadron.
Popping up regularly on STW now.
I can't see what the big deal is about having to kill a fox (from the hunt's perspective)? Drag hunting can retain the tradition and satisfies animal welfare concerns. This did seem to happen for a while after the ban but appears we've now gone backwards.
Having said that, some people were prosecuted locally to me (Wales) for illegal hunting recently - but that may have been only 'cos it was reported.
I suppose it is seen as a birthright, like going to illegal raves if you live in the city..?!
Hello,
Never posted before, not brave enough!! But feel compelled to following a difficult weekend.
I own a small parcel of land in a village that has a strong hunting tradition. We have had issues in the past with the hunt chasing foxes across our land trashing our fields, fences and disturbing our horses.
Last weekend I’d had enough and complained to the hunt master and two other riders. I also phoned the police as they were chasing a fox across an open fields.
After reporting the incident to the police I received three further calls from the police advising me that I need to be extremely careful when approaching the hunt as they have a record of retaliation when confronted. We have been advised to put up cctv at home additional cctv at our yard and my wife wear a body cam whilst out riding.
The police are interviewing us both tomorrow to report our incident, the police are coming in an unmarked car and plain clothes so as not to arouse suspicion.
This is the reality of the hunt.
The people at the top don’t get their hands dirty,it’s the terrier men and followers we have to look out for..
The hunt has a very sinister side that most people never see.
We just want to live peacefully in our village with our animals we work so hard to keep.
Yep weird nasty people. Was stopped on. A disused railway line by two quads with followers. Blocked our way with rifles out and across laps.
We just want to live peacefully in our village with our animals we work so hard to keep.
<sarcasm>You just don't understand their ways, it's your fault</sarcasm>
Yep weird nasty people. Was stopped on. A disused railway line by two quads with followers. Blocked our way with rifles out and across laps.
That needs more detail. I would regularly bump into farmer or stalker at Ardeonaig or the loch shore, on occasion with a rifle across lap or fromt of quad. They were out shooting foxes, deer and on occasion corvids. And they would ask people to wait on occasion, even ask us to take a different route (particularly during stalking season). IMO, perfectly normal behaviour and no concern over a rifle being visible.
@jambourgie - so out of my entire post, slamming the abuse of animals, be it via hunting or by people eating millions of them on a daily basis, you manage to extract that i/someone would be more worried about their car rather than the animal. I thought it would be clearly obvious that the injury/death to the animal would be tragic and i didnt need to spell it out.
My point was that it would be rather inconvenient to the OP if he was sensibly going about his business only for his day to be ruined by his car being damaged/written off buy a heard of dogs or horses exploding onto a country lane.
But let me add to that for you.... plus the mental trauma of injuring or killing any of the already mentioned dogs or horses.
jeeeeeeeeeez.
That needs more detail.
FWIW I've encountered both. But I've only encountered those using intimidation to block access in lowland settings. And only after the Fox Hunting ban.
Part of it is a response to Sabs (everyone was basically already keyed up for a fight), part of it is wanting to keep the activities beyond hidden because they're not legal. And that was certainly the case where I lived in England going by what I was told by people directly involved.
There was an unmistakable difference in the manner of the encounters.