[Closed] How exactly have humanity been fooled into thinking that?

Reducing energy consumption is the first thing to do.

How will you determine the best way to conserve energy before you know what the source is?

I agree on the FIT's, although it could have been handled better.

It just shouldn't be the first priority, although not sure it was done for the right reasons.

Will more effort be put into reduction as a result ? Will have to wait and see ?

[i] trying to hang stuff can be tricky and if you are drunk and fall into the wall 50/50 if you go through it or not[/i]

LOL @ getting pissed and then a spot of DIY. Got that particular T-shirt 😀 In my case, "putting up" shelves.

Will more effort be put into reduction as a result ? Will have to wait and see ?

Yeah, chalk walls! they are completely hollow, chalk ceilings as well, so easy to put your foot through!

kaesae - Member
How will you determine the best way to conserve energy before you know what the source is?

Not sure I know what you mean.

Require less heat to maintain house temperature - Whatever the source.
Require less electricity - Whatever the source.

Insulation ❓ how do you ensure that you do not end up with a situation where you need to operate a cooling system in the summer?

As above, without knowing what the energy source is, how do you reduce energy consumption effectively beforehand ❓

Are there any threads on this subject?

How much does say for example cold effect energy transference in electrical systems, does it effect it at all?

2016 and 2050 are key dates, aren't they?

They are, but deadlines are often missed 😕

Too much to do to reach the targets at the current rate of change in my opinion.

Insulation how do you ensure that you do not end up with a situation where you need to operate a cooling system in the summer?

So natural sources of cool air like shade?

Insulation how do you ensure that you do not end up with a situation where you need to operate a cooling system in the summer?

Mechanical ventilation helps. (kitchen and bathrooms) and will also recover useable heat when needed in winter.

But good insulation helps to keep a house cool too.

Using 12v lighting reduces heat generated.

As above, without knowing what the energy source is, how do you reduce energy consumption effectively beforehand

It will always be electricity- however it's produced ?

It will always be heat- however it's produced ?

So natural sources of cool air like shade?

Photovoltaic panels for shutters 💡

I'm sure friday nights used to be more fun than this.

Sounds good kevevs PARTY FRIDAY, I want to see if I can save some money, my flat is drafty and a nightmare to heat!

Photo synthetic panels for shutters

[url= http://www.yourhome.gov.au/technical/fs44.html ]More on shading [/url] (read north as south as it's Australian- but the sun still works in the same way).

Kaesae - Duct tape everything. it might not be pretty but you will be hermetically sealed! Then peel it off in Spring 🙂

Find the draughts, and seal them up.

Might sound simplistic, but that's the way to start, as simple as possible.

Yeah, letter box, doors, windows, I have some insulation under my flooring, green reasonably thick.

So any cheap insulation shit for sale anywhere, or do I need to start another thread? doesn't stoner have some kind of furnice?

doesn't stoner have some kind of furnice?

Insulating under floor is good. And something a lot of people don't think of.

But sealing the edges of the flooring to Walls will make a big difference (there are normally large air gaps)

You can do this from underneath with expanding foam if there is space to move around, otherwise taking off the skirting boards and doing it from above, then replacing skirting is a good option.

Not really sure where the other thread went but someone mentioned heavy curtains. If you use heavy curtain, don't close them during the day on windows that receive direct sunlight. You want the solar heat gain in the winter, but keep them closed during hours of darkness to keep the heat in.
I also mentioned on the other thread secondary glazing, which is pretty effective for not too much money.

All of these new technologies are rubbish, we need something a lot more advanced than that, burning wood 😯

What on earth are you on about now?

All of these new technologies are rubbish, we need something a lot more advanced than that, burning wood

It's simple I would like to build some form of engine that will give me free energy, or something a bit more advanced that a glorified furnice. We also need to get rid of the nuclear power stations, japan has shown us just how much of a liability they are.

By burning all the trees?

So lots of smart people on here, there is a form of magnet called neodimium, it is very powerful and has the potential to generate a good amount of energy, the question then becomes, is it possible to harness this energy?

In spite of the consume less argument for saving the planet, which I believe is the reason for this thread, you want to follow the line of producing more to satisfy the ever increasing consumption, something that you disagree with.
Your other thread equally suggests that you're only interested in saving money and not the planet, so it now becomes more difficult to help.
Have a bit of a read on [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house ]Passiv haus[/url] design to see the direction we need to be thinking.
Homemade Heath Robinson contraptions is not the solution and it's a very strange solution from an eco-warrior like yourself.

Kaesae, as don simon has said.

You seem to have missed the point 😕

You started the thread by ranting about people consuming too much and armageddon etc (a totally ineffective way of changing things, hence my earlier comments)

Now, despite having it explained, you are talking about producing power with some sort of magic engine, to satisfy an unnecessarily need for power.

It really isn't hard to make a house energy efficient, to the point that it needs very little in the way of energy to keep it running. Its not free, but then again, neither is the research and development for magic engines.
And the magic engine won't be free either.

Let's imagine Neodymium magnets are capable of powering the world.....

Then you would mass scale mining of Iron, Boron and Neodymium.
China would become the equivalent of the current oil rich nations.

Nothing much changes, the problem stays the same (or similar) mining a finite resource to produce power, for people who use too much power.

Kaesae, back to your point about weather patterns, will it start today because I've just hung the washing out...?

don simon - Member

In spite of the consume less argument for saving the planet, which I believe is the reason for this thread, you want to follow the line of producing more to satisfy the ever increasing consumption, something that you disagree with.
Your other thread equally suggests that you're only interested in saving money and not the planet, so it now becomes more difficult to help.
Have a bit of a read on Passiv haus design to see the direction we need to be thinking.
Homemade Heath Robinson contraptions is not the solution and it's a very strange solution from an eco-warrior like yourself.

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nealglover - Member

Kaesae, as don simon has said.

You seem to have missed the point

You started the thread by ranting about people consuming too much and armageddon etc (a totally ineffective way of changing things, hence my earlier comments)

Now, despite having it explained, you are talking about producing power with some sort of magic engine, to satisfy an unnecessarily need for power.

It really isn't hard to make a house energy efficient, to the point that it needs very little in the way of energy to keep it running. Its not free, but then again, neither is the research and development for magic engines.
And the magic engine won't be free either.

Let's imagine Neodymium magnets are capable of powering the world.....

Then you would mass scale mining of Iron, Boron and Neodymium.
China would become the equivalent of the current oil rich nations.

Nothing much changes, the problem stays the same (or similar) mining a finite resource to produce power, for people who use too much power.

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So if we all insulate our houses and make then energy efficient that will be enough to rectify the current situation we find ourselves in 😯 D'oh!

I have said all along and on many threads that effective efficient manangement of resources is vital.

That doesn't mean I don't want to save money on heating my flat or that given the opertunity to work with other members of this forum I wouldn't gladly have a go at creating an engine to produce energy.

It is absurd to hear individuals claiming that technological advancement is not essential to the survival of our race!

That doesn't mean I don't want to save money on heating my flat or that given the opertunity to work with other members of this forum I wouldn't gladly have a go at creating an engine to produce energy.

It will take more than luck simone, it would take a conscious revolution 😉

I find that when I smoke crack, I'm not overly bothered about having the heating on.

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

I find that when I smoke crack, I'm not overly bothered about having the heating on.

Must be handy having a mother that deals it 😉

It will take more than luck simon[u]e[/u], it would take a conscious revolution

I thought we were actually getting somewhere, but it seems that you would rather rant.

We simply can't meet the targets in 2016 and 2050 without changing domestic energy attitudes and usage.
So why not start there ?

It will also make the output specs for your "magic engine" a lot easier to reach.

Option A - I could power my house for a month on roughly £5/£10 of diesel in a generator (depending on temp)

Option B - Before my changes it would have used that in a couple of days.

Which option would you rather design an alternative power source for ????

Let me know when you finish your magic engine.

kaesae - Member

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

I find that when I smoke crack, I'm not overly bothered about having the heating on.

[b]Must be handy having a mother that deals it [/b]

Oh dear.

rightplacerighttime - Member

The difficult truth is that OUR way of living is unsustainable - it's too resource intensive and too polluting to continue - if you are relying on having everything you have now in the future then you are deluded. If you really want to do something for yourself then you should follow the likes of Edukator and ween yourself off stuff you don't need now while you can do it painlessly instead of waiting for it to be taken away. [b]Living with less isn't about being virtuous, it's about being resilient and protecting yourself from inevitable future shock.[/b]

100% agree and couldn't have put it better myself. Complacency is quite rife due to the levels of comfort we've become accustomed to because everything we need and most of what we want is easy to obtain.

I agree, we are too focused on the smaller picture and not on the larger one, our future!

I agree, at some point in my future I will get a bigger tv - sorted