[Closed] How do i stop my Dad reading the Daily Mail?

So Daily Mail reader = cult?

two letters of the alphabet away from where I'd put them 😉

The Daily Mail is a right wing hate filled rag that would deny people the right to read whatever they want.
You need to stop him from reading it.

So reading the daily mail is in the same league as joining the EDL? Get a sense of proportion man!

Where did I say that? You could answer my actual question though.

You could try The Week - it's a great concise weekly news magazine that is derived from press around the World

would deny people the right to read whatever they want

Really? Citation?

Well they were big fans of Hitler at one point.

[i]Well they were big fans of Hitler at one point. [/i]

that was months ago.

So reading the daily mail is in the same league as joining the EDL? Get a sense of proportion man!

No - the Daily Express is the mouthpiece for the EDL.

Torminalis - Member

if one of your family members joined a cult, or a white supremacist group

So reading the daily mail is in the same league as joining the EDL?

Are the EDL a "white supremacist group"?

Where did I say that?

You suggested that those people who would not intervene in their parents Daily Mail habit should consider their standpoint on cults and white supremacist groups.

So... you were either making a generic point about the legitimacy of interventions or, as the context would indicate, that some things are pretty serious and need to be intervened in. Examples of those things, as mentioned in this thread thus far are white supremacist groups, cults and the Daily Mail. Am I confused?

As it happens, if my Mother or Brother joined a cult or the EDL I would engage my limited powers to try and persuade them it was a bad idea. If they were reading the Daily Mail I might ask them what was on the TV tonight.

Let him get on with it. My inlaws read the Express which IMO is just trolling fiction. They've learnt not to talk to me about it. Each to their own though.

Well they were big fans of Hitler at one point.

So was most of Germany, and look what happened to them...oh wait, they're the largest economy in Europe...

Just put his eyes out with a screwdriver.

Are the EDL a "white supremacist group"?

I thought so, maybe not, do I get another try? What about the KKK?

Well they were big fans of Hitler at one point.

I am sure they have changed editor since then. Seen any VW's around recently? Times change.

So... you were either making a generic point about the legitimacy of interventions

Bingo. At what point exactly does it became ok to try and influence someone you care about doing something you disagree with?

FWIW I've never told my granddad he should stop reading the DM, but I've told him that the stuff he reads in it is largely untrue, especially when it's trying to stir up hatred against vulnerable people. It's the lack of challenge to guff like that that allows pernicious myths to thrive.

venerable people

Bede is under attack?

EDIT: Ninja edit there!

Don't know what you're on about. 😀

FWIW I've never told my granddad he should stop reading the DM, but I've told him that the stuff he reads in it is largely untrue

So most of this is largely untrue?

http://www.****/home/index.html

At what point exactly does it became ok to try and influence someone you care about doing something you disagree with?

When they are harming themselves or others. But, to say that the Daily Mail is harming them is entirely based on your own political polemic and as such is not attempting to alleviate harm but to push a moral agenda of your own. Have a go, but I don't fancy your chances. Most people are smart enough to decide what they think, even if you do not afford them that credit.

But, to say that the Daily Mail is harming them is entirely based on your own political polemic and as such is not attempting to alleviate harm but to push a moral agenda of your own.

It might not be harming him but its perpetuating a nasty xenophobic discourse which stirs up hatred against certain groups.

And I would argue he used to be smart enough to decide what he thinks, but there seems to have been a remarkable correlation between decline in critical faculties and reading the DM and reciting it's articles as his own opinions.

Torminalis - Member

Are the EDL a "white supremacist group"?

I thought so, maybe not, do I get another try? What about the KKK?

What a pretentious comment to make by the OP.

The Daily Mail is good for a laugh, its easy reading, and the reader comments are funny.

Mrs FD who has 2 first class degrees, a PHD and scores way out there on MENSA tests loves it, and never picks up a copy of the Times/Guardian etc.

Leave your Dad alone and worry about your own pretentious miss gvings in life 🙂

jota180 - Member

FWIW I've never told my granddad he should stop reading the DM, but I've told him that the stuff he reads in it is largely untrue

So most of this is largely untrue?

http://www.****/home/index.html

Yes that link is vile, how dare you even post up the link to such vile information...Be gone with you righ-wing white supremicist promotionalist, how dare you...

 

FWIW I've never told my granddad he should stop reading the DM, but I've told him that the stuff he reads in it is largely untrue, especially when it's trying to stir up hatred against vulnerable people.

I read somewhere that the overwhelming desire to help people they wrongly percieve as vulnerable, usually manifests itself strongest in those with an elevated self image of superiority or alternativelty those suffering from some form of guilt complex.

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It might not be harming him but its perpetuating a nasty xenophobic discourse which stirs up hatred against certain groups.

And I would argue he used to be smart enough to decide what he thinks, but there seems to have been a remarkable correlation between decline in critical faculties an reading the DM and reciting it's articles as his own opinions.

Maybe some sort of 're-education' programme for those that have strayed off [your] message a bit?

You said it, I was simply asking, i'll stop if it it's upsetting you though.

No, not even slightly upset, I thought you knew the answer and were scoring a point so I thought I would highlight that it was not the same point I was trying to score.

As it happens, you were spot on, after a little googling, it appears that the EDL are an Anti-Islamic group rather than White Supremacists. I am sure they would all have a lot to talk about the annual bigotted wan*er conference though 😉

double post

Why not accept ... that his point of view is as valid as yours

😆

That mentality will never work on STW ...

As it happens, you were spot on, after a little googling, it appears that the EDL are an Anti-Islamic group rather than White Supremacists. I am sure they would all have a lot to talk about the annual bigotted wan*er conference though

And do you think that if you polled which newspapers were most read by attendees at that conference, would you find more Daily Mail/Express readers, or Guardian readers? 😉

I am not sure that many of the attendees would get much beyond their own specialist, single syllable literature.

There is a lot of guff about limp wristed, hand wringing lefties in the world but I am inclined to believe that their own sense of moral outrage and their willingness to exert authority over others is as scary as anything that the Daily Mail can rustle up and anything but limp wristed.

be thankful it's not the express.

there's nothing worse than listening to the worldview of someone once they've been reading that for a while.

they don't even seem to realise that there's anything wrong with it.

whats needed here is a little self congratulatory pat on the back, after all, even though your dad is a [s]facsist[/s] daily mail reader, you've managed to turn out to be a nice liberal, who wouldn't dream of reading that crap, and won't let anyone else either. pensioners? stop their benefits's! (sarcasm content)

^^ sorry, couldn't help it.

Nicely done, OP!

My grandparents read the Mail and although I would never dream of telling them what they believe is wrong or ill-judged it does upset me to see them become so unhappy when they read the mail. Most of their angst is based on Mail headlines (immigration, benefits etc) and they feel so utterly disenfranchised by society as a result of, almost exclusively, the Daily Mail.

They are both in their late 80's and it's hard to try and make them understand the full agenda of the Mail and how utterly spurious their stories are so I've now just resorted to telling them not to waste their time with the paper because the stuff they report is of no consequence to them. Pointless trying to argue the truth of the stories. Horrible misery inducing paper for those who don't know any better.

Politics and poorly-disguised racism aside, it's really the "science" and "health" stories that get me. The amount of utter nonsense this newspaper publishes with regards to what will or will not give you cancer and so on is ludicrous.

My mother-in-law laps them all up and is forever cutting this or that out of her diet/life because she read about it in the Mail. And in her umpteen years of doing what the Mail said, she has had (and so far survived) three different cancers. Look where that got her then. 👿

(fwiw the first two cancers were totally unrelated, third possibly related to second. If you believe what you read in the mail that is.)

Torminalis - Member

You said it, I was simply asking, i'll stop if it it's upsetting you though.

As it happens, you were spot on, after a little googling, it appears that the EDL are an Anti-Islamic group rather than White Supremacists.

No I didn't say that either. You are the most prolific mis-quoter known to STW. And for that I claim my fiver (whatever that means).

Keep going though.

You are the most prolific mis-quoter known to STW

It is a hotly contested title.

(and as it happens, you were absolutely right to pull whether the EDL are a White Supremacist group, was what I meant.)

Torminalis - Member

You are the most prolific mis-quoter known to STW

It is a hotly contested title.

And a real accolade. You're on-course for other titles aswell, keep it up.

it does upset me to see them become so unhappy when they read the mail

Thats what makes people happy though - people have an insatiable appetite for the notion that things are getting worse. It what they want to read.

The thing to keep in mind with the Mail and the right wing media generally - is that many of their readers are left of centre voters. Half of the Mail's readership vote labour / liberal. Of the 10 major papers 7 have rightwing editorials, but we're a socialist country, even when we have minority rightwing government.

You're on-course for other titles aswell, keep it up.

Well, that's not very nice is it.

Thats what makes people happy though - people have an insatiable appetite for the notion that things are getting worse. It what they want to read.

It's not what makes my grandparents happy though, which was my point.

Torminalis - Member

You're on-course for other titles aswell, keep it up.

Well, that's not very nice is it.

I said I'd stop it if I was upsetting you...

titusrider - Member

I had a sixth form Economics teacher who read the daily mail, He advocated that reading a paper you dissagreed with was the best for developing your mental faculties and making you think.

Exactly.

I read either the Indy (which does what it says on the tin, but is very, very boring indeed), or the Telegraph, which gives me a very good idea of how the enemy thinks and behaves.
Good sports coverage too.
Their spoof reporter Bryony Gordon is hilarious - bit obvious though, as if anyone would give a job to such a vaccuous, airheaded non-entity in real life.

As for the Mail - it panders to and reinforces the opinions of those sad, nasty, small minded, interfering, paranoid, hate filled Little Englanders who are bloody proud that they exemplify the worst traits of humanity. 🙂
And for all those on this thread who read, enjoy and believe what it prints, that's you, btw. 😀

I said I'd stop it if I was upsetting you...

No no, knock yourself out. Get it all out...

Having not visited the forum or posted for a while I'm pleased to see the leftwing bigotry, and yes you can be bigoted its not an exclusively rightwing position, is going strong. Do you not think that assuming you have the right to tell anyone what they can/cannot, should/shouldn't read is just a little bit oppressive? Some might even say fascist....... I'm sure the Nazis burned books and banned newspapers

The DM is available everyday in my house, its crap but then so are most of the tabloids including the mirror, but its worth buying to listen to the stream of outrage from my 17 year old daughter when she reads it 😀

As for the OP FunkyDunc hit the nail on the head