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It pains me to see him digest the drivel it prints over his breakfast, or have to listen to the latest drivel they have printed that then gets thrust upon me over a phone call.
Its got to the point where he thinks im being funny as i tell him i have no interest in anything he says when it starts "I read......." knowing that it will be from that rag not worthy of wiping your arse on.
One thought i had was to get a paper delivered for a few months to his house that isnt the mail. But then what?
The red tops are not worth reading, the express is basically the mail, the Guardian and Times are too involved and he wont have time to read it.
So maybe the i? Its a kind of mix or news and largely useless articles that are readable when you have a job?
Any other suggestions other than Private Eye?
Any other suggestions other than Private Eye?
You could just leave him to do what he wants rather than what you want him to do?
My boss once asked me to pick up a copy of the mail for him I declined jazz mags maybe but seen with the mail....
Just mock up the front cover
Illegal immigrants kill pedophiles and watch his brain explode
Why not accept he's entitled to read what he wants and that his point of view is as valid as yours?
You can maybe make sure you're informed on the issues of the day so you can argue with him on facts but opinions aren't just formed by what he's read.
Maybe you coudl start every riposte with 'As a company director, dad, I think I have a better understanding of this issue than you....' 😉
Reading it is one thing, taking it seriously is another. By switching off you shrug and let it get worse. Don't try and change him, do engage in discussion and introduce a bit of counter argument and logic.
It's not hard to pick flaws in the story, maybe show him the contrast of the same article reported in different styles?
The DM provides an easy way for yer man on the street to quickly update themselves and feel a sense of definitive opinion on the matter with the accompaniment of a strong sense of moral distinction. Unfortunately it's very clever in how this is done. We are frighteningly easy to manipulate!
As much as I love to criticise the DM, I do like their website for a bit of easy reading.
Just avoid anything on the right hand side, as has already been mentioned on this site before ...
You probably can't stop your Dad - just don't forget and fall into reading it yourself in 30 years time!
My parents read it as they like the telly pages (nice large print for the BBC4).
They do agree with me though that by buying the Mail the perpetuate the myth that it's actualy worth reading.
The 'i' is pretty decent, it's essentially a cut down version of the Independent. It's like the Metro but with proper news and articles.
Doh! Sign him up to Singletrack of course.
Why not accept he's entitled to read what he wants and that his point of view is as valid as yours?
Because the Daily Mail is filled with vile, hate-filled and deliberately misleading rubbish? I wouldn't like to see anyone I cared about taken in by such stuff.
tell him reading it gives you eye cancer.
[i]Because the Daily Mail is filled with vile, hate-filled and deliberately misleading rubbish?[/i]
if someone choses to accept what they print unquestioningly then there's not much to be done is there? They have a choice and they've exercised it shoving a guardian under their nose is not going to change their attitudes or opinions.
My Gran was one of the smartest, liberal, well read people I knew and she read the Daily Mail every day. She said she liked the stories! I know various other people who read the Mail who weren't in the slightest bit bigoted, racist, homo- or xenophobic. I know...who'd have thunk it, eh?
I like the daily mail. it's entertainment.
My Grandpa was one of the smartest, liberal, well read people I know - his wife died and he got a new partner who is your classic Daily Mail reader, he now brings up stories about how the immigrants all get given massive cars and flats etc, and how they are 'flooding' the country etc.
Pretty clear link between his mental faculties declining and believing all that crap. Sad.
Get him to switch to the Observer on Sundays so he can read Julie Burchill's latest bigoted rant against transexuals. There'll probably be some borderline antisemitism too.
Sad.
Is he sad or are you sad? His life, not yours innit.
Try the 'i'.
I'm sorry, but you know what needs to be done.
Kill him and bury him under the patio.
Get him to switch to the Observer on Sundays so he can read Julie Burchill's latest bigoted rant against transexuals. There'll probably be some borderline antisemitism too.
Admittedly the Guardian/Observer gets more and more like a DM for lefties but I still don't think they are in the same league TBH.
Is he sad or are you sad? His life, not yours innit.
I'd be willing to bet believing all that shite hasn't made him happier.
My parents are DM readers to, they just know by now I'm not interested in hearing about the latest sensationalist made up stats targeted at a minority.
It pains me to see him digest the drivel it prints over his breakfast,
Move out? 😆
I'm surprised nobody's linked to [url= http://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/ ]this site[/url], or one of the similar ones yet.
When i buy a paper it tends to be the Mail.
Dont quite know why people think readers are 'taken in' by the political leaning?....if a reader doesnt like what is being said then they can switch to another paper, its not some magical hypnotic publication that draws people in against their will....there are many daily papers all with their own political leanings, people tend to read whatever sits comfortably with their own views.
I have no problem admitting my xenophobic and racist tendencies.
Dont quite know why people think readers are 'taken in' by the political leaning?
When DM readers start offering up badly-remembered versions of nasty sensationalist DM articles as their own opinions?
When DM readers start offering up badly-remembered versions of nasty sensationalist DM articles as their own opinions?
Outside the very insular world of the typical Singletrackminded lefty you would see that the DM is in fact very popular, whilst the Guardian is such a bastion of unbiased ( 🙄 ), quality reporting that it can only survive by selling half it's stock to the bbc. hehehe
The mail and guardian opinion cancel each other out.
However the mail seems to be taking on the metro for lack of actual news content. I can't remember buying a news paper recently mostly pick them up at airports etc but mostly full of opinion rather than news.
I had a sixth form Economics teacher who read the daily mail, He advocated that reading a paper you dissagreed with was the best for developing your mental faculties and making you think.
Reading something that you are nodding along with every line of isnt really going to challenge you.
I dont read any papers but i do agree with him
"i do agree with him"
you should find someone you disagree with to improve yourself 😉
You could just leave him to do what he wants rather than what you want him to do?
This. Not much more to add.
Outside the very insular world of the typical Singletrackminded lefty you would see that the DM is in fact very popular, whilst the Guardian is such a bastion of unbiased ( ), quality reporting that it can only survive by selling half it's stock to the bbc. hehehe
Right, so because its popular it must be good. 😕
Or perhaps its so popular because so many people hold the same views?
....i know this is a difficult concept for most on STW to accept but not everybody has a left leaning, socialist approach to their politics.
To state otherwise on here means to get shouted down as simply wrong....there seems to be genuine confusion that lots of people willingly hold right wing views, there seems to be a belief that it must be down to an evil publication poisoning people's minds.
No, some people just hold different opinions to the typical Guardian reader thankfully.
Right, so because its popular it must be good.
Like dropper posts and flats ❓
mikewsmith - Member
The mail seems to be taking on the metro for lack of actual news content.
Same publishing group.
I am also slightly irritated by people quoting (correctly or otherwise) obviously biased/mostly-untrue news stories without stopping to actually think about it first.
I can't remember buying a news paper recently mostly pick them up at airports etc but mostly full of opinion rather than news.
"news" is readily available elsewhere/everywhere, opinion pieces/journalists are more specific to a particular newspaper.
As almost any news item involving a subject about which I have some knowledge is full of errors, I take all news sources with a good helping of this:
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ps. The Express is probably worse than the nasty Daily Mail, in a sort of pre-school level, reactionary bigotry kind of way.
I reckon you need to cut off his hands and gouge out his eyes. That'll learn him.
Or you could just embrace the spirit of democracy and let him do what he wants.
....i know this is a difficult concept for most on STW to accept but not everybody has a left leaning, socialist approach to their politics.
yes, but those people are just wrong and must have their opinions changed!
johndoh - MemberYou could just leave him to do what he wants rather than what you want him to do?
This. Not much more to add.
+1
I don't read the DM but I am intrigued as to why it attracts such fervantly hateful responses from some of the stw masseev?
No, some people just hold different opinions to the typical Guardian reader thankfully.
Thank god, those immigrants won't hate themselves.
All these people saying 'leave him to it' - if one of your family members joined a cult, or a white supremacist group, presumably you'd just let them get on with it eh? 😉
Right, so because its popular it must be good.
Lets just say that everyone believes, no matter how few actually share their viewpoint, that theres is in fact the correct one.. It's unfortunate but true.. Singtrackminded leftys on here being prime example of that.
If the majority have a viewpoint that differs with yours.. could it just be, however hard to imagine, that yours is the odd one?
If the majority have a viewpoint that differs with yours.. could it just be, however hard to imagine, that yours is the odd one?
What a strange concept.....
Hmm, I'll leave you to work out the potential issues with that argument, based on historical examples. This might help:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html
if one of your family members joined a cult, or a white supremacist group
So reading the daily mail is in the same league as joining the EDL? Get a sense of proportion man!