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[Closed] Help to bugger up Fair Fuel UK's annual cycling hate survey.

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Done. I don't need to look at his twitter feed, I think the content is fairly predictable.


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 4:25 pm
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I did it for the shits too. It's been a while since I lived in the UK, but I'm assuming the cycling facilities haven't changed much in 15 years.


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 4:49 pm
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Done.

What a horrible survey that was!!


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 7:17 pm
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I just completed it, shared it and now the survey has been pulled!!! Or have they just changed the link...


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 8:00 pm
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Done here too. What a poor survey. Should’ve just had ‘On a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you hate god damned cyclists and those ****ing hippies and their electric vehicles?’


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 8:03 pm
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link tells me the survey's closed (and did so yesterday too) 🤷‍♂️


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 8:12 pm
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Cox tweeted this yesterday.

https://twitter.com/HowardCCox/status/1336651160321724417

Given the small percentage of pedestrians I imagine his next campaign will be removal of footpaths.


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 8:32 pm
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Given it was letting you fill it in multiple times with fake email addresses I wonder how many real people that makes. I guess many did what I tried to do and give the answers that they don't want to hear. Car driver that supports fuel duty increases, more bike lanes, keeping the BBC and getting rid of petrol and diesel cars next year.


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 9:15 pm
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I was honest, this year I have been mostly driving the car or walking so I assume I am one of the hidden cyclists.
However I did support taking fuel cars sooner, bike lanes and suggested that they should go for hydrogen as a fuel


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 9:20 pm
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That survey was proving popular on the Gravel Bikes UK page 🤣


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 9:25 pm
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Link on P1 says it's unavailable now


 
Posted : 11/12/2020 9:42 pm
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My van driving alter ego from Ipswich has offered him some advice as well. And warned him about GDPR

Hey, why did you steal my ID?

Interesting how things change on here. A couple of years ago I posted a link to one of these awful surveys and got a lukewarm response from the "cool-kids".


 
Posted : 12/12/2020 12:10 pm
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Cox and Lembit Opik are involved in a shady fuel additive business that they are pushing as a alternative to EV's

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12217754

Wait to they start using the fair fuel mailing list to push it


 
Posted : 12/12/2020 12:40 pm
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A couple of years ago I posted a link to one of these awful surveys and got a lukewarm response from the “cool-kids"

The popularity of this thread is nice to see on what is arguably still a cycling forum. Still plenty of 'making progress' threads as well though 🙁


 
Posted : 12/12/2020 2:23 pm
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Still plenty of ‘making progress’ threads as well though 🙁

What sort of person doesn't drive like a top gear presenter on a test track? If you aren't testing the limits of grip, throttle response through the range, identifying under or over steer and having the debate about 4wd v winter tyres on every trip to the shops what sort of person are you?


 
Posted : 12/12/2020 3:09 pm
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Well it was nice while it lasted.


 
Posted : 12/12/2020 3:17 pm
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The daily hate have provided their spin on this carefully conducted survey
almost as bad as the survey


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 9:39 am
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If you don't want to click through the Mail link above here it is as screen shots. They say no Tory run councils at the end like it's a bad thing 🙂


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 10:51 am
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Gah, too late, I clicked the evils. Now they have me.

Yes, the nation’s hatred of people who ride bicycles will be the thing to land a proper Nigel in power. Foreigners? Gah! Vote Conservative! Bendy bananas? Gah! Vote Conservative! Up Yours, Want Fish Wars? Vote Conservative! Moar bike lanes? Vote The Far Right Populist Fascist National Motoring Party Of Fair Fuel and Jobs For White People.

It’s like Monty Python is writing the script, as someone said? We knew ourselves much better in the 1970s and that isn’t a compliment. Satire today is as conspicuous as an old wet McDonald’s wrapper at the side of the road.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 11:54 am
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Been living in Spain for last 4 months. There's virtually no animosity between "cyclists" and "drivers". Really makes a huge difference not having a media-fed hate campaign against certain road users.

P.S., it's really hard to fathom these types of people. Spanish cities just admitted the problem, outlined the solutions and got on with it. Valencia revolutionised their cycle network and saw incredible results within the space of a few years. Barcelona is doing the same. Seville did the same several years ago.

It's like a significant minority of English are just immune to facts and want to carry on driving their cars into oblivion, enough though driving in the UK is itself a generally frustrating and miserable experience.

I have to say, Spaniards (and many other Europeans) seem to have a certain pragmatism about problems/solutions, whereas the English seem to operate on a completely on dogmatic, outdated and ideological mentality.

One can only hope all this nonsense we're living trough is the final deathspin of the 'gammon'.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 12:12 pm
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It's OK come January the Mail will be in full on French fishermen hating and will cut us a bit of slack.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 12:23 pm
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No 10’s cycling tsar

Yep. A ‘tsar’ no less 🤣

But in real world Britain, as it has been since 1930s - just forget cycle infrastructure. Not going to happen. It’s simply a political game for the Right. If you want to ride a bike safely on the road then probably best to live somewhere else other than the UK. Of course, that has just been made 1000 times more difficult to achieve and could take half a lifetime to afford. But at least you’ll be committed.

I’ll be cycling to the supermarket later, dodging traffic, getting squeezed, eyes on stalks. I most likely shan’t see another adult on bicycle en route, as has been the case all of my life in various Mid-Western Shires and counties. I wonder what all of the fuss is? The British ‘war’ on cycling as transport was ‘won’ around 1960? Even us cyclists drive cars - which is conveniently forgotten about in that ‘survey’ of ‘cyclists vs motorists’


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 12:25 pm
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I don't understand why they are frothing about driving in London. Why would anyone drive in London if they had a choice?


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 12:32 pm
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That question about road user rules was particularly idiotic. Conflating rules of the road with vehicle taxation and licencing. Still, gives him a way to suggest that 98% of cyclists agree that red lights don't apply to them or some such exaggerated nonsense.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 2:27 pm
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I didn't identify myself as a cyclist, I was quite clear that I travel primarily by jet pack and teleportation.

So despite now having stats to cover these two transport user groups he appears not to be publishing them...

Outrageous!


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 2:38 pm
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Done.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 3:23 pm
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Read the thread

https://twitter.com/adamtranter/status/1338088944920104960


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 3:49 pm
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A question - if enough of us report his false tweets and block him, will Twitter pick it up/start moving his tweets down some?


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 4:00 pm
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Shouldn't he being basted with honey or something and being readied to be roasted in time for Crimbo?

Love a nice thick slice of gammon, some pickled onion and doorstop bread for Xmas day tea.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 4:10 pm
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😂 "cycle lane madness".

What about these non-luxury car owners who don't pay vehicle tax? I got a surprise when it came to the VED for my SO's Tesla: £0 for the year.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 4:56 pm
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^ Not so thick. He trolled all cycling respondents by almost immediately using the survey results against them in that Daily Heil hit-piece.


 
Posted : 13/12/2020 5:13 pm
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Survey report trashed


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 8:39 pm
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Still frustrated my HyperCanalLoop for moving freight wasn't acknowledged in his tweets.


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 8:46 pm
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Twodogs
Survey report trashed

All those Mail readers fact checking on fullfact.org will be astounded.


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 9:22 pm
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done.


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 10:49 pm
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done wot?


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 10:51 pm
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He’s basically a lying old gammoney t**t but I really don’t know why he bothered publishing that piece since most of the readers will agree with it no matter what. I sometimes think this place can be too much of an echo chamber but the Mail and it’s like really take the biscuit.


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 11:03 pm
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All those Mail readers fact checking on fullfact.org will be astounded.

First place they go to check the latest "Princess Diana was murdered by aliens" story


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 11:15 pm
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Fairfuel is sponsored by Ultimum5

Ultimum5 has Howard Cox as a director

He is essentially sponsoring himself

Or his backers are


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 11:16 pm
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I don’t understand why they are frothing about driving in London. Why would anyone drive in London if they had a choice?

I had to a few times when I was working for BCA as a logistics driver, and I can’t say I enjoyed it over much; if I do drive to London, I use a JustPark in Hammersmith, nice and close to the station, and tube everywhere, it’s only sensible.
If I’m on my own, then I might get a coach up, it’s cheaper than the train.


 
Posted : 17/12/2020 11:29 pm
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Daily Heil hit-piece.

It does seem to be drifting back towards its default position of essentially supporting Nazis. The owners and editor must be pleased.

Apologies for Godwin.


 
Posted : 18/12/2020 11:18 am
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It does seem to be drifting back towards its default position of essentially supporting Nazis. The owners and editor must be pleased.

Apologies for Godwin.

They've always followed the trend to a certain extent, so they're just reflecting what is happening in society at large.


 
Posted : 18/12/2020 11:28 am
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