[Closed] Have we done Britain First yet?

I lasted 37 seconds [ no s****ing at the back ]

In other part of the world it is true.

I come from a region in the far east that things happen exactly as described but then the population is small over there. Happened to us within 2 generations. No war needed just a kind of domino effect change.

You are heading in that direction like it or not.

Oh ya, I don't need Mr Powell to explain as we/I experience it for real.

Over there they are just waiting for the eruption of war and bloodshed machete style to happen. I hope it's not going to happen but can never know in future.

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that's longer than i lasted junkyard 😉 😳

I'm surprised that broadcast doesn't fall foul of the Public Order Act as I felt its references to white British and how "we" will be a minority in "our own country" (obviously Britons will never be a minority in Britain) amounted to incitement to racial hatred.

So much for the political correctness the broadcast claimed of. I somehow doubt that a Muslim organization would be allowed to make such an inflammatory broadcast from their perspective.

According to Hope Not Hate, three hours ago - "Newsflash: Britain First's Paul Golding has been arrested leaving an interview with the BBC in central London."

Shame. 😀

I like "islam could be dominant religion"- yes it probably will, it's because the arse has fallen out of christianity. Take it up with the church. (it'll be weird when islam becomes the biggest religion, to watch all those people saying "Britain is a christian country" change over and declare us a muslim nation)

They seem conflicted on population- they understand that the native population is going to fall below replacement rate, and yet they're against immigration. Are they going to introduce white people breeding camps?

Also, HOMICIDE BOMBERS. I love that expression, really helps disambiguate in this world of non-homicidal bombers.

Britain First is a.....[b]street defence organisation[/b]

ernie_lynch - Member

... "we" will be a minority in "our own country" (obviously Britons will never be a minority in Britain) amounted to incitement to racial hatred.

Well, that depends on the birth rate.

Where I came from the immigrants (mostly illegal I kid you not) have around 5 to 6 children on average while the locals have maximum of 3. As time passed the locals become minority in many areas. I grew up in a small village near the sea with mixed population and religions but now it's 90% illegal immigrants with one predominant religion only after two generations.

Hatred you say? It does not matter what colour of skin you have as most people will not tolerate sudden changes or perceive changes. Some express their feeling outwardly others keeping within themselves.

It's a bit like the Borg trying to assimilate everyone innit by enforcing their rules on the masses regardless.

"[b]We Are the Borg. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile![/b]"

If you are born here you are British and are not an illegal immigrant 🙄

scotroutes - Member

If you are born here you are British and are not an illegal immigrant

I think they are referring to the religious belief of the immigrant that is gaining grounds, generations after generations in some forms or another.

The country that will massively be impacted will be the Scandinavian countries with their small population and generous welfare system. Give it another two generations they will be the minority in their own country.

On the positive notes they do get injection of new DNA in their gene pool.

The indigenous people of the British isles are made up of a combination of Celtic, Norse, Anglo-Saxon and Norman ancestry. [54][55][56][57][51][58][59] Modern studies using DNA analysis, popularized by the geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer and others, increasingly suggest that three quarters of Britons share a common ancestry with the hunter-gatherers who settled in Atlantic Europe during the Paleolithic era,[58][59][60] "after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands".[59]

British people or what he really means is racist like him. Lasted 1 min to see if there was anything factual in there. Glad to hear he has been arrested/interviewed but I reckon it's part of their plan.

"Look Look the government is trying to oppress us" He should be made to find facts to back up his claims and when he can't read a nice statement on how he got it all from the Daily Mail and it was made up.

mikewsmith - Member

"Look Look the government is trying to oppress us" He should be made to find facts to back up his claims and when he can't read a nice statement on how he got it all from the Daily Mail and it was made up.

It's no good keep dismissing them really. You are just simply sweeping the problems under the carpet. They have the genuine fear of the erosion of their way of life so can you blame them? Consider yourself lucky they are still "civilised" in other part of the world you see bloodshed even with the same skin colour but with different religions.

chewkw - Member

in other part of the world you see blood shed even with the same skin colour but with different religions.

What, you mean like protestants and catholics?

Northwind - Member

chewkw - Member

in other part of the world you see blood shed even with the same skin colour but with different religions.

What, you mean like protestants and catholics?

No. In my region it all started with the Muslamic people supported by the govt to dominate the native predominantly Christians (North Borneo), then the local Muslamic people themselves become dominated by the incoming race of Muslamic people. Colour of their skins are roughly the same brown to dark brown.

They have the genuine fear of the erosion of their way of life so can you blame them?

mikewsmith - Member

The thing to do is to remove the fear ...

We are not doing a good job about that aren't we?

However, one thing that perhaps the law/govt/country etc can do is this.

No one should be forced to convert to another religion against their will. e.g. if you married a Muslamic/Catholic/Jewish etc person you need not convert just to marry them vice versa. Otherwise in the long run you will have conflicts inevitably. Create a new law with strong support to avoid this conversion shite and you shall see changes in the society.

Where I was we once have muslamic friends sitting in the same restaurants eating food. We eat pork they avoid eating pork and have something else but now they aren't even allowed to go in the same restaurant as us.

I'd say not forcing anyone into a religion is a start, especially young and vulnerable people (say under 18's).

mikewsmith - Member

I'd say not forcing anyone into a religion is a start, especially young and vulnerable people (say under 18's).

You may not but they will whether you are vulnerable or not. It is their rules.

Aren't we all equal? If we are equal then why does a person have to convert if the partner come from another religion? Nobody dares to question this in fear of massive uprising from a particular section of the society.

I like the way almost all of the quotes are sourced from the Daily Mail. Just goes to show what a fascist hate-rag that newspaper really is.

It's no good keep dismissing them really. You are just simply sweeping the problems under the carpet.

Unfortunately I think he may have a point here.

as I said Grum the prick should be given some airtime and the chance to prove each of his "Facts" to some experts. It's just hard to find somebody who wont patronise him. Then when his claims are baseless it should be all over but all that will then happen is a classic - you would say that, your making it all up etc.

No one should be forced to convert to another religion against their will. e.g. if you married a Muslamic/Catholic/Jewish etc person you need not convert just to marry them vice versa.

This has never been the case in the UK, certainly not since civil weddings were allowed.

And "muslamic"? Seriously?

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If you are born here you are British and are not an illegal immigrant

As far as identity goes, it's up to the individual whether they identify as British or not. Cliff Richard was born in India but I doubt he considers himself Indian. Eddie Izzard was born in Aden but I doubt he considers himself Yemeni. (TBF I haven't asked either of them). And it's not for other people to decide that they are or are not Yemeni or Indian, it's up to them.

Legally, not everyone who is born in the UK is a UK citizen.

But I doubt either of those things are distinctions that the UK Street Maintenance League (is that right?) are interested in.

That's a very disturbing video, I lasted only about 30 seconds too. Select cuttings used from a vial newspaper to try and use as facts.

Watched it all the through, best know your enemy.

As said above what is "street defence"

So many lies told so often then people start to believe them

I think it's a new kind of street dance.

Seriously though its like the daily mail audio version. Gave up after about 30secs.

And "muslamic"? Seriously?

If you google "muslamic" this is the top link:-

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Kind of says all you need to know about the debating skills (or simple ability to write a coherent sentence) of those that use the phrase 😉

I watched it all the way through "just to see". Felt dirty. Quotes that weren't from the DM were from the DT and Russia Today .. Saddened more than angry.

probably one of the best replies to the "Coming over here taking all our jobs" lot.
Australian context but still the same (warning rude words)

Britain First is a.....street defence organisation

WTF is one of them???

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They look a nice friendly bunch.

By the way, they turned up to "protect" Nigel Farrage in Edinburgh recently. They were corralled by the police into what was described by one police officer as "our wee neo-Nazi petting zoo" 😀

Not so long ago, it would have been my Irish 5xgreat-granddad getting hounded by thick, racist bastards like these.

Not so long ago they'd have been run out of town.

I think I can see where Britains First Defence Force are getting their inspiration

Absolutely disgusting.

The target audience is clearly poorly educated working class whites who believe the rantings of the Daily Heil. I sincerely hope that whoever it is behind the propaganda is forced somehow to confront their own prejudice and ignorance.

PJM1974 - I agree with you there. But all this racist crap has deeper roots, and it reflects on our whole political system.

If the main political parties (especially the uniquely hopeless labour party) hadn't completely abandoned the white working classes, then this kind of thing wouldn't have happened. If a large constituency of people looks at parliament and sees that they are all completely unrepresented, and that their legitimate concerns are not even being listened too, never mind addressed, then people start looking for alternatives.

When the BNP got a large chunk of the vote in certain depressed northern former mill towns, they didn't go out there saying 'lets send them all back!!!!'. They're shrewder than that. They went out there and said: 'you're white, you're working class. Nobody in Westminster, in any of the main parties, gives a solitary toss about you, or your opinions. We do though. We'll address the issues that concern you'

And thats when ordinary people start to be swayed by nasty, racist crap like this. Look at the rise of UKIP FFS!. For once I actually agree with Dave - a collection of fruitcakes and closet racists.

But this isn't a reflection on the racists. They've always been there. This is a reflection on the total lack of political representation in large swathes of the country. And that breeds resentment and anger. And unfortunately this is the end result

What a bunch of ****ing idiots.

Driving round in a camo Defender and calling themselves a street defence force like they are playing at soldiers.

By the looks of that picture half of them would drop dead if they had to actually run anywhere.

Fascists using a war against fascism as an example of why we should be fascist!

probably one of the best replies to the "Coming over here taking all our jobs" lot.
Australian context but still the same (warning rude words)

That's fudging brilliant.

Britain First are the scrotes who keep using the Lee Rigby tragedy to further their ****ed up agenda, something his family are not happy about.
Right bunch of knobbers.

Very well put binners. In their blind rush to be "inclusive" Labour in particular has excluded a good chunk of the electorate leaving the way open for people with a very sinister agenda to present themselves as the good guys. True that the Daily Hate and the Hate on Sunday don't help either.

They look a nice friendly bunch.

Interesting to see whether they have broken any laws, trying to convert people to your little gang is obviously legit, going into another religion's place of worship and doing it could possibly be perceived as incitement...no? Article mentions they specifically handed out army bibles sounds inflammatory, wonder if that was intended.

of course they wanted to be provocative
Imagine if some muslims turned up in military regalia handing out Korans at Easter....would they be chilled about it

TBH I feel sorry for folk like that who hold on to some sort of idyllic notion of Britain that never existed and sure as hell wont happen in a multicultural UK

They cannot move with the times so they have a lifetime of unhappiness ahead of them.

PJM1974 - Member
Absolutely disgusting.

The target audience is clearly poorly educated working class whites who believe the rantings of the Daily Heil. I sincerely hope that whoever it is behind the propaganda is forced somehow to confront their own prejudice and ignorance.

Don't be so hard on the Daily Heil. They speak to middle class, well educated whites too. And racists. And the haters of everything that doesn't fit with "their" idea of what "we" should be.

Britain First are the scrotes who keep using the Lee Rigby tragedy to further their ****ed up agenda, something his family are not happy about.

Bizarrely I was just wondering about that and whether the family gave their consent.

of course they wanted to be provocative

*I'm sure many Britain First members are fervently pious christian types

Wow this seems rather extreme... 'foreign scroungers' purely unbiased opinions within this video.

Britain First are the scrotes who keep using the Lee Rigby tragedy to further their ****ed up agenda, something his family are not happy about.

The BNP keep doing this as well. The lowest of the low. They mentioned him in their party political broadcast yesterday.

TBH I feel sorry for folk like that who hold on to some sort of idyllic notion of Britain that never existed and sure as hell wont happen in a multicultural UK

According to their FB page Sikhs, Hindus and those that fought alongside the allies in WW2 (such as the Poles) are fine.

I guess they bypass the fact there was an Indian SS regiment (seriously - Google it) and that modern-day Islamic nations ****stan and Bangladesh were part of the Indian army.

Pimpmaster Jazz, that sort of logic is not welcome in the extreme end of politics. Th whole idea of branding a group of people by a notional label like religion or country is a mad one.

I assume they also like a good curry and pizza on their crusade.

What are they going to do come the [s]revolution[/s] referendum if Scoltand goes indie!
It's fairly easy to see through their arguments is it not?

As an aside my mother will tell stories of similar horsehit being talked about Catholics and how they were seen as a big threat about 50-60 years ago and look what happend there. One of them can even be PM now - if they can be arsed.

surroundedbyhills - Member

One of them can even be PM now

To be fair, that didn't go very well, maybe they had a point.

"going into another religion's place of worship and doing it could possibly be perceived as incitement"

Incitement to what?

Incitement to what?

Incitement to what?

Its clearly legal and clearly done to be provocative. I bet they were filming hoping someone kicked off
I suspect they would be unimpressed if some beardy gents turned up to one of their events and handed out leaflets about the infidel...if only I could grow a beard.

It is one of those everyone has the right to act like a dick but it rarely helps

I assume they also like a good curry and pizza on their crusade.

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A few of the 'street protection squad' in the vid look like they might be partial...

I think the answer is to unite the Christians, Muslims, far right, lefties, gays, the disabled and Lancastrians against our one true common enemy, the ones that everyone hates.

Gypsies.

squirrelking - Member
And "muslamic"? Seriously?

convert - Member
If you google "muslamic" this is the top link:-
EDL Vid
Kind of says all you need to know about the debating skills (or simple ability to write a coherent sentence) of those that use the phrase

Muslim + Islam = Muslamic. They should have trade marked it ...

Who could have invented that? You (all) certainly did not but someone else has. I don't think the term was invented by the bloke in the EDL vid but rather some American girls to be honest. I remember hearing both saying the term on tv which was very funny to be frank. So I use the term as if my hero Peter Griffin would.

Most of you who criticise others for having a "lower" intellectual capacity by comparison to your own are a bit like the character of Brian Griffin. Yes, watch Family Guy as it is very funny.

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Not sure whether their FB page is laughable or terrifying. Probably both.

My favourite bit so far is this image that surely sums up for all of us what it means to be British whiel demonstrating their great grasp of history.

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Wait, Eddie is in Britain First? That's a bit of a change of direction after treading on Thatcher's corpse.

UVF connection?

Oh ya the "Ray Gun" thing, well it's his way of expressing the process of being brainwashed I guess. i.e. EDL vid.

That Eddie thing is just ****ing weird, not to mention an interesting use of the word 'crusader'.

I wonder if Iron Maiden's lawyers have seen it...

That Eddie thing is just stoopid as I doubt Iron Maiden would like to be associated with some tools.

public disorder? religious/racial hatred?

Of course they were being provocative arseholes. that's not a reason to go around locking people up. Getting wound up by arseholes without having them thrown in jail is part of the price of living in a tolerant society.

Wonder if STW towers know that one of the guys from Kirkby Lonsdale brewery (who make the Singletrack ale) is posting stuff from Britain First on Facebook. I know one of the others has previously voted BNP too.

It's a free country of course, but given STW's stance on the Daily Mail...

[i]incite verb (incited, inciting) (especially incite someone to something) to stir up or provoke to action, etc. incitement or incitation noun. inciter noun. incitingly adverb.[/i]
Chambers definition, so "incite" and "provoke" are in the same general area, what the [i]legal[/i] difference is between the two I have no idea, which is why I have liberally used "may" and "possibly" and other wishy washy words in my posts leaving me lots of wiggle room 🙂

I'm cool with having a tolerant society and while "you do not have the right to not be offended" I'm sure many would agree there are certain things you can say in certain situations which are so inflammatory as to be out of order. Someone may try defending inciting religious/racial hatred using the freedom of speech/tolerant society or [i]sticks and stones[/i] arguments, but it is still illegal.
Bit of a grey area?

I'm sure many would agree there are certain things you can say in certain situations which are so inflammatory as to be out of order.

Should the criminal law be used against arseholes because they are "out of order"?

Depends, really - if you walk into a mosque and start insulting the prophet, knowing it's likely to lead to a fight... Shouldn't the police stop you?

They could suggest an alternative approach. Perhaps explain it to them more light-heartedly through a series of cartoons?

if you walk into a mosque and start insulting the prophet, knowing it's likely to lead to a fight... Shouldn't the police stop you?

Why?

Because you're only doing it to be deliberately provocative / offensive...

Should the criminal law be used against arseholes because they are "out of order"?

Why?

Because provoking people with the intention of starting a fight is something I generally feel ought to be stopped, if only due to the cost to the NHS?

It's a fine line, though - where does causing offense stop and incitement start?

You're suggesting that these Britain First people should be prosecuted because their actions are (while otherwise legal) so provocative that it's an incitement to people to assault them? Who are you protecting in that situation?

If you're stupid enough to punch people who are goading you into punching them, then you get the punishment that's coming. And if you're stupid enough to go around goading people into punching you, then you get punched. It sounds like a self-solving problem.

You're suggesting that these Britain First people should be prosecuted because their actions are (while otherwise legal) so provocative that it's an incitement to people to assault them?

Pretty much, yes. Or are you suggesting they really walked into a mosque, full of Christian love, with the intention of peacefully converting the worshippers to their faith? If they were Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons I'd believe it, and support their right to stand at the door trying - but that isn't the case here.

Who are you protecting in that situation?

Surely the way to avoid violence in that situation is to not punch people who are trying to wind you up by saying things that you disagree with, not to go around arresting people who say things you disagree with?

I'm not sure I agree with your characterisation of the Muslims in that scenario as intemperate knuckleheads who will immediately respond with violence to people who talk rubbish to them.

are you suggesting they really walked into a mosque, full of Christian love, with the intention of peacefully converting the worshippers to their faith?

Of course they were being provocative arseholes. that's not a reason to go around locking people up. Getting wound up by arseholes without having them thrown in jail is part of the price of living in a tolerant society.

I'm not sure I agree with your characterisation of the Muslims in that scenario as intemperate knuckleheads who will immediately respond with violence to people who talk rubbish to them.

I'm not quite sure where you got that idea from, I certainly haven't characterised anyone as an "intemperate knucklehead". Most people, though, will have limits - and that goes for Muslims, Christians, Atheists, whatever. And goading someone over that limit to start a fight is not something I can agree with.

Surely the way to avoid violence in that situation is to not punch people who are trying to wind you up by saying things that you disagree with, not to go around arresting people who say things you disagree with?

I'm not talking about peaceful debate here, I'm talking about some idiot getting in your face and insulting you, and stopping you from doing your peaceful, lawful activity. No, fighting is not the right response - but are you really suggesting the police shouldn't move that idiot on?

Public Order Act 1986

[i](1)A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—

(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.[/i]

It is recognised in law that everyone has the right to live free from harassment and distress. And quite right too.

Although, ernie, isnt there a move to bring that act back a bit because the bit about "insulting words" strays too much into censorship/curtailment of freedom of speech. Many comedians for example campaign for that bit to be taken out.

Interesting to see whether they have broken any laws, trying to convert people to your little gang is obviously legit, going into another religion's place of worship and doing it could [b]possibly be perceived[/b] as incitement...no?

Surely the way to avoid violence in that situation is to not punch people who are trying to wind you up by saying things that you disagree with

*quite possibly some sort of low level aggro that they can use for their own political ends rather than an actual punch up

Is not liking a religion the same as racism now? I'm an atheist and the rise of Islam worries me massively as would the rise of any religion, just so happens Islam is the only one that seems to be growing.

If I say this out loud I seem to be perceived as racist but Islam isn't a race and I'm not racist I just want to live in a very secular country.