[Closed] Happy BJ Day!

My wife and I were discussing a conversation we had back in 2015 when we joked about the possibility of Trump being president and Boris PM. Doesn't seem quite as funny in reality.

I can't help but think that time-travelling Loki is involved in this somehow.

It's like waking down the street bare foot. And having some some bigoted tory chose which foot goes in the dog poop.

Buckle up ..it's going to be a hoot ..

Don't think there will be a happy ending, more like a messy finish.

A lot of times in life, things don't get better until they hit rock bottom.

At the moment, millions of people in the UK think BJ is a decent sort, they think Brexit is either going to be great, or worth a few bumps in the road (especially if they're well insulated from it all). Both sides of the argument have become so entrenched that no amount of debate will work.

Boris, is going to be a disaster, he has lurched from disaster to disaster his whole adult life, his only skill is blaming others, but once you get to the top there's no one else to blame. He's taken on a worse job than May did, he must know it's his only chance of being PM, only a perfect storm would get him the job. He's got little or no room to move and he's just stupid enough to call a GE.

The Politics of the UK has been in the shitter for more than 10 years now, the Great Recession and austerity and just as we turned a corner on that, Brexit. People are fed up, they want politics at the end of the news, not the start. They want boring, "keep the lights on, collect the bins and let us get on with out lives" policies.

Something like 60 million people in this country and it comes down to those two.

Who was it who said something along the lines of, you can have your democratic election so long as I can choose the candidates?

The trouble with politics is you should never trust anyone who wants to be a politician. But like Groucho Marx and the club membership - actually, a but too much like that!

Its not even funny anymore.

Who were those "people" I saw on telly this morning all holding pre-printed "Back Boris" placards? Who? Are they some kind of bot? Are they paid? Or, there really are people backing the f-wit..?

They are people who “believe”… what’s wrong with the rest of you… come one… “believe” in the great man and his great plan* !

[ *might not constitute a plan of any kind at all, your country may be at risk ]

It's a mad world when you are praying for a miracle that Hunt defies the odds to become PM... God help us all and give us a General Election before Oct 31st!

On the bright side, we might have the spectacle of a Tory government, and possibly the whole Tory party, brought down by Tory MPs in the final convulsion of their little European argument. But even their wailing and gnashing of teeth would be scant comfort.

A general election is no good as there isn't a credible opposition. Woe is me

I feel like I’m living in an endless episode of the thick of it, except it’s not funny any more because it’s real

A general election is no good as there isn’t a credible opposition. Woe is me

Doesn't need to be one opposition though does it, as long as the tories don't get a majority

Jo Swinson is already looking a lot better that the tory and labour leaders which may help the cause. (If only I didn't think of Joe Swanson every time her name is mentioned but that is my problem)

Just think, when we say "the racist out of touch baffoon with bad hair and questionable dress sense in charge of a country" people will ask for clarification on which one

On the bright side, we might have the spectacle of a Tory government, and possibly the whole Tory party, brought down by Tory MPs in the final convulsion of their little European argument.

Indeed.

Fancy appointing a Liar into a position of Prime Minister.

Theres plenty of people who will see to it that the collapse of this Tory regime comes to an end, a spectacle it certainly will be.

And I too believe that to come out from this pit the Tory’s have placed the UK population in, we must first succumb to the very depths of disparity before any change for the better will come.

Boris, is going to be a disaster

Na, all hail Boris, the man who will help deliver independence for Scotland!.

😊🙏🏻

A general election is no good as there isn’t a credible opposition. Woe is me

There is, they’re just wearing a yellow rosette.

The day after the brexit vote I felt properly ashamed of my country for the first time. Not just because of the obviously racist/xeniphobic overtones or the lies that half the rhetoric was based on. But because just over half the voting age public had fallen for it, lazy thinking and a lack of scrutiny from the people themselves was the root cause. But I also hoped that because that vote was won by only a relative sliver there was hope and 2016 would mark rock bottom... how wrong was I?

We find ourselves looking down a loaded double-barrelled shotgun of possiby the worst populist PM imaginable and the real possibility of a no-deal brexit. this was all brought about by a mixture of aggressive swivel-eyed rightwing press, MPs and businessmen who have played not just a tune but a symphony of bullshit with the British public's unenquiring minds as their rapt audience. All helped in no small part by a complacent and disorganised political centre/left.

This ain't even rock bottom yet, there's still a couple of acts to come I reckon.

Na, all hail Boris, the man who will help deliver independence for Scotland!.

I think Boris might be a step too far even for the staunchest Rangers fan, This might only strengthen the SNP's position in Scotland.

You underestimate the ignorance of the uberunionist dp, Hitler wouldn't be too much for some of them.

From Boris we expect nothing but chaos, so we'll probably all be surprised and deliriously happy if he gives us moments of non-chaos. 🙂

I like the "Boris is Poundland Trump" jibe. It is an apt description. He is very much a British Trump, playing from the same Bannon-approved populist right-wing demagogue playbook.

Insult a minority then play the "sorry you are insulted but I am a straight talker" card.
Tell bare-faced lies and then double-down and call the press liars when they question them.
Promise impossible things then blame others when they can't be delivered.
Talk a lot about pride, patriotism, optimism etc

All creepily familiar.

It is confirmed, PM BoJo.

and so it begins..........

Won by a landslide

JH actually looks happy and relieved - I don't think he really wanted to be the next neck on the chopping block.

92k people chose him to be PM. I utterly despair.

If only we all felt as relieved by the result as Jeremy Hunt looked...

Democracy at its finest..a relatively tiny group of rich xxxxs electing another rich xxxx to run our country..

All very depressing..

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So when does the civil war start?

Good speech

Democracy at its finest..a relatively tiny group of rich xxxxs electing another rich xxxx to run our country..

It's an I'm alright jack party for an I'm alright jack country they seem well suited.

Remember that sh#t sandwich on May's desk - she got close to taking a bite. Now it's a pizza with all the fecal toppings. Hope Boris is hungry.

Oh well, at least we knew it was coming. Thankfully that sinking feeling I got when I heard the Trump result is absent. Just a feeling of WTF.

Just think, when we say “the racist out of touch baffoon with bad hair and questionable dress sense in charge of a country” people will ask for clarification on which one

2 thirds of that could apply to Diane Abbott 🙂

relatively tiny group of rich xxxxs

I was surprised by how un-rich most of the party membership is. 60% of them have an income of less than £30k - so whilst that's not pointing to 'poor' - its also not pointing to them being a bunch of bankers\business leaders who are going to get fat contracts off the new leader..

The <30k lot must be the happily pensioned members who have already paid off their mortgages and have a pile of cash sat under the mattress?

30k would go quite a long way without any debt...

I was surprised by how un-rich most of the party membership is. 60% of them have an income of less than £30k – so whilst that’s not pointing to ‘poor’ – its also not pointing to them being a bunch of bankers\business leaders who are going to get fat contracts off the new leader..

Fair enough..they may not all be rich. But they are members of the Tory party, so I guarantee I am half right in my assessment of them.

92k people chose him to be PM. I utterly despair

0.14% of the population

But yeah, it's the EU that's undemocratic

Hung by his own petard?

I was surprised by how un-rich most of the party membership is. 60% of them have an income of less than £30k – so whilst that’s not pointing to ‘poor’ – its also not pointing to them being a bunch of bankers\business leaders who are going to get fat contracts off the new leader..

I wouldn't read much into that- presumably theres a big overlap there with the 4 out of 10 over the age of 65- the pensioners.

Anyone remember how many people voted for Gordon Brown to be PM?

Well FWIW he's already less popular than Cameron, who was elected leader with a greater share of the membership's vote.

it's going to get worse: snap GE before Corbyn's binned.

Anyone remember how many people voted for Gordon Brown to be PM?

Well this guy has some strong views at the time

“They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.”

“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”

I wonder who could have said that?

Anyone hoping for a snap GE should think again.
With a constituency majority of 5,034 at the last election and facing a very concerted effort to unseat him there is no way he would risk it.
Self preservation is one of his few strengths

With a constituency majority of 5,034 at the last election and facing a very concerted effort to unseat him there is no way he would risk it.

bloody hell - you're right

I think the actual term is "declared income". But there's more to torys than just having money. we'd maybe not even be in this mess today had Nigel Farage's face fitted, unfortunately despite embracing the Thatcherite loadsamoney dream and most of the same views he didn't have the right school tie and so ended up contributing to brexit via UKIP.

92k (of a 160k membership) is not a "landslide" in my book and suggests a good chunk of the part ain't so enamoured with young Boris, still its not like torys ever turn on their leaders is it now...

There's always been a lot of working class conservatives, they like the simple messages Boris hurls out. People who work but still under estimate how dependant on the state they are. They think they're insulated but they will be hit really hard by a no deal Brexit.

Fair enough..they may not all be rich. But they are members of the Tory party, so I guarantee I am half right in my assessment of them.

You'd be surprised by how few bankers truly like the Tories at the moment, my missus works for a proper establishment, overflowing with old money, company - the majority of them cannot bring themselves to vote Tory, thought the austerity cuts went way too far but at the same time can't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn. They are people who would vote for New Labour or the Lib Dems if given the chance.

A lot of the black and white thinkers on here will consider those people scum though and Tories in all but name.

Ah well, we know what we have to look forward to

EDIT well you lot do, I'm off

Anyone hoping for a snap GE should think again.
With a constituency majority of 5,034 at the last election and facing a very concerted effort to unseat him there is no way he would risk it.
Self preservation is one of his few strengths

I don't think that follows. At the moment he's hamstrung. He might think his best bet is a snap election while he's in his honeymoon period is his best bet at getting this situation to some kind of conclusion.

If he loses his seat so what? It's not like he can do anything as things are, he might think he has little choice.

As it happens I don't think he will go for a snap election but there a case that says he might.

Ah well, we know what we have to look forward to

Yes,I feel like I'm stuck on a surreal bus journey.The bus has been driven by idiots but I don't have a licence so I can't drive it, I'm in their hands & I can't get off.
**** knows where the journey ends...

Sorry gents could you just remind why I know, deep in my bones, that BJ is a self serving toe rag.

I remember that he jump into the Brexit camp, despite being pro euro previously, and then backed down from the PM race because he realised he'd have to do the dirt work.... Guess that's actually two things he got right ... but that's the thing aye!? .... He got those things right for himself. Not for the good of the country.

Then there was a husting, the other, week where the lady "interviewer/chairperson" actually asked him, and I paraphrase ... "when have you ever put the country before yourself?" and his bumbling response was contemptible.... if you are on the fence about BJ, go looks this interview/question up... it's damning

So what other of his self serving "crimes?" have I missed?

I remember that he jump into the Brexit camp, despite being pro euro previously,

I get the impression that's an urban myth.

Boris is actually one of the earliest architects of the Brexit movement.

One of his first jobs in the late 80's was as the Brussels reporter for the Telegraph. He wrote in a style to appeal to "Middle Class, Middle Aged Middle England" and completely fabricated stories about the EU about banning Prawn Cocktail Crisps or daft things like that, he almost single handedly invented 'Euro Myths' designed to discredit the EU, or grossly and intentionally misreading directives, so Eu standards on Bananas not have "abnormal curvature" was misrepresented as "EU BANS BENT BANANAS".

His columns in the Torygraph set the foundation of a lot Euroskeptism amongst Tory Voters and members, after-all, whilst Thatcher liked to shout a lot of hot air about the EU, it was the Tory's that took the UK into the EU and the Socialist Labour Party who wanted not to join, or leave once we were in.

It is confirmed, PM BoJo.

Well, not just yet.

Hardly the most diverse lot - shows how imbalanced all parties are.

Around a quarter of them are, or were, self-employed and nearly half of them work, or used to, in the private sector.

Nearly four out of 10 put their annual income at over £30,000, and one in 20 put it at over £100,000. As such, Tory members are considerably better-off than most voters and, indeed, the members of other parties.

On the other hand, the fact that 97% of Conservative Party members are white doesn't do much to distinguish them from their counterparts in other parties.

It does inevitably mean, however, that ethnic minorities, who make up well over 10% of British people, are heavily under-represented in the Tory rank and file.

So, too, are women. Other parties - notably Labour and the Greens, but also the SNP - now come close to gender balance, but seven out of 10 Conservative members are male.

I get the impression that’s an urban myth.

There are various quotes from him pro EU.
His anti EU articles whilst prolific dont necessarily say much about his beliefs. I suspect it was more laziness and the need for attention that drove them. A serious reporter would have got far less headlines and attention paid.

I get the impression that’s an urban myth.

It's not. The mark of just how conflicted he is over Europe was the two articles he wrote for the Telegraph as he decided whether to back Leave or Remain in 2016. The Leave one was published, the Remain one remained unpublished.

In fact, it's not so much that he is conflicted, as apathetic, and only interested in the strategy that most benefits Boris Johnson. An opportunist, a fraud, a charlatan and a bully. **** him.

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I was surprised by how un-rich most of the party membership is. 60% of them have an income of less than £30k

A third of the members are over retirement age, so this shouldn't surprise you.

Sorry guys, but I don't think we need Yet Another Politics thread. There's already a 16-page (and counting) thread discussing our glorious leader.

https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/boris-johnson-2/