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I'd vote for JRM.

I have no idea why 🙁


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:11 pm
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Floccinihlinaucipilification! Won a bet with that one, I daresay.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:13 pm
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Theresa May as more balls than [s]he has[/s] the rest of them put together.

8)


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:15 pm
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Hmmm - Gove was education secretary and teachers hated him. This is the statement from the NUT on him from a while ago on why he's bad for children's education

1 He has a narrow view of what makes a good education – one that doesn’t include
vocational subjects.
2 He constantly runs down our education system and our children’s achievements,
despite our country doing well in international league tables – this demoralises our
teachers and our children
3 He has removed the need for schools to employ qualified teachers, and attacks our
teachers’ professionalism.
4 He has presided over the unfairness of last year’s GCSEs and refused to do anything to
help the 10,000 children given unfair grades.
5 He has done nothing to resist the trebling of tuition fees.
6 Abolition of the EMA has resulted in fewer 16-19 year olds in education. He will have
cut post-16 funding by 20% across the lifetime of this Government.
7 He has unpicked many long-standing requirements for school premises, including
dropping requirements for minimum temperatures, staffrooms, and minimum ratios
for toilets; and he’s reduced the space standards for new schools as well.
8 He has cancelled the modernisation programme for all schools and diverted the money
to supporting Free Schools, often in areas which don’t need extra school places.
9 He has cancelled the City Challenge programme which was improving results without
privatisation.
10 He wants to end the national teachers’ pay system, putting recruitment and retention
of teachers at risk and forcing head teachers and governors to focus on negotiating
pay instead of improving standards for students.
We have seen these policies before. In the 80s and 90s education was underfunded, schools
were run down, and teachers were vilified and in short supply. We have come so far since then.
It will be a tragedy if Gove is allowed to turn the clock back.
Unfortunately he is not prepared to stop there. He is deregulating education as much as he can
and he is promoting business interests. This giant experiment is putting our children’s future at
risk.

Clearly they're biased, but we really could have him as PM...


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:16 pm
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All I can say is thank F Bojo has ruled himself out.

His credibility levels are now lower than a snakes belly!

I'd like to see May get the job.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:19 pm
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Gove was education secretary and teachers hated him

Hmm, Could you point to the last education secretary that teachers liked?

(Regardless, as above, even I as one of his few defenders on here wouldn't dream of putting him as PM material)


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:20 pm
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Hmm, Could you point to the last education secretary that teachers liked?

There are degrees of disdain.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:21 pm
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Bojo exposed for what he was - a naked opportunist. Shameful

Pretty sure no one other than jambalaya thought otherwise....


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:23 pm
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Jeremy Hunt must have changed his mind then. That would have been a real clash of the titanic arseholes - him vs Gove.

It's clearly gonna be May, she played a blinder with her barely even lukewarm support for the Remain campaign.

She's apparently a very unpleasant person, so maybe not the worst choice from an opposition perspective.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:26 pm
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His credibility levels are now lower than a snakes belly!

Gove's shouldn't be any better, he campaigned on the same platform as BoJo...


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:27 pm
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She's apparently a very unpleasant person, so maybe not the worst choice from an opposition perspective.

I'm struggling to see that as a USP among the prospective candidates.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:28 pm
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Omnishambles.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:30 pm
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On the night of the referendum I had an intense (not dirty) dream about May becoming PM. Had the same dream twice since. Just sayin...


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:32 pm
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Hmm, Could you point to the last education secretary that teachers liked?

my Dad was a teacher/headmaster, he thinks/thought Clare Short was pretty good, all things considered.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:32 pm
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She's apparently a very unpleasant person, so maybe not the worst choice from an opposition perspective.

I seem to remember Thatcher wasn't the most like person in the world - didn't do her any harm though!


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:33 pm
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If only Labour could find a principled man of belief with tons of grass-roots party support to get behind and challenge the Tory party NOW …


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:34 pm
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Dom Raab is hilarious on the daily politics now

In a 'laughing at' or 'laughing with' sort of way? Missed it.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:34 pm
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When Gove gets the blame for the post A-50 depression, Johnson's sins will be forgotten and his position as someone who 'campaigned to take us out of Europe' will be presented as leadership.

This. Cameron totally screwed Johnson when he resigned - enact the full Brexit and the economy tanks. Water it down and enrage your supporters. It's abundantly clear that there was no Brexit plan because he never expected to win.

Johnson has made the only play available to him - wait it out.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:36 pm
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PM Gove would be funny, every time he tried to use an 'expert' opinion he'd get laughed out the house

Sadly in our post truth politics world maybe that doesn't matter ?


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:39 pm
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Boris has played a blinder.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:40 pm
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Ransos - very true. But once again Cameron minor gets the better of Bojo. Although neither win in the end, but at least Dave made it to #10


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:41 pm
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Boris has played a blinder.

+1


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:42 pm
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Boris has played a blinder.

He's trying to make the best out of a bad situation. He really could have done with Cameron staying in post until the next GE.

Now a lot of people will see him for what he really is.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:46 pm
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Good grief.


 
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my Dad was a teacher/headmaster, he thinks/thought Clare Short was pretty good, all things considered.

Clare Short never held the post.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:47 pm
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Boris has played a blinder.

I'm not so sure: this will be seen as an act of cowardice and will be hung round his neck should he run in the future.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:47 pm
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Interesting comment on the [url= https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/77808764 ]Guardian[/url].

Gove's leadership challenge and Boris's step down is proof that the game spelled out in [url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/26/an-astute-online-comment-has-many-wondering-whether-brexit-may-ever-happen/ ]Teebs' comment[/url] is going ahead.

Gove will take the fall when Brexit has its full winter backlash... he doesn't care about his popularity with the public, and Johnson is being spared by the Conservative Party strategists for future (a year or three in the future) deployment.

Gove has nothing to lose, and every opportunity to make the volatility that the Conservatives want in the world....


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:48 pm
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A blinder?

He screwed us and then he screwed himself. What is the word for the latter.....?


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:49 pm
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Maybe some dirt on Boris is about to be released, I am sure he has all sorts of skeletons in various closets.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:50 pm
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It's all in the plan. Most of the conservatives wanted out....They can see the way the EU wants to go down the super state road.

Boris' job was to get them out. Done!

Cameron never really put that much effort in convincing us in was best. He's happy with the result.

Close ties with Europe yes...being controlled by them, no.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:51 pm
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So what are the odds on May, Eagle, Sturgeon and Merkel sorting out the whole sorry mess?


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:52 pm
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Doesn't look like Gove has stabbed him, more like he is going to take the fall giving Boris a chance to stand again.

In both camps it seems people have realized that this is a poison chalice. You take power now and there is little if anything you can do to stop a bad run and you'll be out straight away.

Labour could have easily put someone forward to replace Corbyn but they messed around waiting for him to resign - they knew they wanted rid but didn't want to risk being his replacement.

Lib dems have been incredibly quiet. There is chaos in parliament and having not taken the opportunity to stand up and show some leadership and direction I think they have missed the boat.

I wonder if the SNP will move south of the border. Pretty sure in the NE and NW they could threaten some seats. I think my Labour MP is safe but I'm only 45 miles away from Scotland and it is quicker for me to get to Edinburgh than London...


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:54 pm
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being controlled by them

Do explain how they were controlling us?


 
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Now a lot of people will see him for what he really is.

this will be seen as an act of cowardice and will be hung round his neck should he run in the future.

By the time whoever takes over, and it really has to be someone that supported the Leave campaign sets about sorting out the fudge deal on the EU they will be so unpopular with both the leave and remain sides of the conservative party that this little side step will be long forgotten.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:56 pm
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Lib dems have been incredibly quiet. There is chaos in parliament and having not taken the opportunity to stand up and show some leadership and direction I think they have missed the boat.

This spectacle has plenty of legs left in it, no point or need to get involved especially as you don't quite know who you are fighting.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:56 pm
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Do explain how they were controlling us?

Mind control drugs in the water...


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:57 pm
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Tom Fallon is just biding his time....like Arya Stark.

Fun fact, Gove is a massive GoT fan.


 
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Mind control drugs in the water...

that and-or contrails.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:57 pm
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Lib dems have been incredibly quiet.

well there are only a handful of them left!


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 12:58 pm
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By the time whoever takes over, and it really has to be someone that supported the Leave campaign sets about sorting out the fudge deal on the EU they will be so unpopular with both the leave and remain sides of the conservative party that this little side step will be long forgotten.

By some, sure, but it's not going to help him.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 1:02 pm
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Does anyone actually want to try and negotiate Brexit?

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Posted : 30/06/2016 1:04 pm
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Boris has played a blinder.

I doubt that when the true disaster that he created, then walked away, unfolds, there are going to be many people who regard him as a future PM.

They're more likely to regard him as fair game for a lynching!

He's finished. Dave's last act. He must be laughing his tits off!


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 1:06 pm
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I think it's plausible that there is a plot between Gove, his wife and Boris. They know someone needs to take the hit so engineering that an awkward email is 'leaked' (how exactly? Sent to a random member of the public who forwards it to Murdoch's Sky news...) that puts a stick in BoJo's spokes. Gove declares candidacy, takes the hit, BoJo returns to the fray untainted, Gove gets peerage down the road.


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 1:07 pm
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Crabb is an utter moron.. he believes homosexuals can be cured

Not quite true, he was associated with a charity called Christian Action Research and Education, as he's said he's a Christian, that's not too surprising, but the charity placed twenty interns with several MP's, five of whom, including Labour's David Lammy and Liz Kendall have cut their ties with the charity when they found out about this attempt to 're-educate' homosexuals. Crabb has since said "Yes, I'm a Christian, but believing in gay cure therapies is not what I believe and has never been what I believe."
And it was obvious what would happen when Gove said he was behind Johnson, where better if you're planning on knifing him in the back! 😀


 
Posted : 30/06/2016 1:09 pm
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Is Boris Johnson the third Targaryen?

He's got the hair for it.


 
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