I apologise if I have caused offence but that was [b]not my intension[/b].
I don't believe you.
What other possible reason could there be for starting such a stupid thread 🙄
I apologise if I have caused offence but that was not my intension.
I don't believe you.What other possible reason could there be for starting such a stupid thread
Stupidity?
Lol at CM; takes hammer, hits nail firmly on the head! Sussinct, and to the point.
I don't believe you.
I believe him. It is perfectly plausible that after hearing the counterarguments, of which there were many, the OP now accepts that his original knee-jerk reaction was simply wrong.
After all he freely admits that he "didn't think before tapping the pad nor getting the full story".
If people can't accept that someone can change their mind then there isn't really that much point debating anything on a forum.
He asked for opinions, and he got them. It appears to have changed his mind. So all in all a worthwhile exercise imo.
'LIKE' ^^^ Most of us spend countless hours on STW trying to get the rest of humanity to agree with our stance. On the odd few occasions when someone goes away with a fresh perspective, we should cheer, not jeer.
Here's what I did today, apropos of nothing...
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meehaja - MemberSeems like an effective weapon against the taliban.
young girl gets shot, survives and becomes a symbol of defiance for women wanting an education. Her name and face are known around the world.
She is already one and a powerful one too so it looks like the talib pulled the wrong trigger.
option 1,
Soon, the value of education is seen, as climate change and changing markets emerge, poor, peasants are able to cope in the modern world, and rightly or wrongly jump on the capitalist big wheel.
... and the cycle continues with the strong exploiting the weak ... back to normal.
option 2,
She goes back to ****stan where the taliban blow up her school and torture her family to make a point. Malala becomes a vaugley interesting footnote in the review of the year.
Too late as the seed is sown and if they do that the quicker their demise.
P/s: oh ya ... after Malal ... the fame culture takes over the world and the leaders are elected/selected based on their celebrities status, while children as young as 13 are given the rights to vote. Euthanasia becomes compulsory for anyone reaching pension age of 50. The world population grows younger and life experience is not passed on from one generation to another but relying on mass doctrine of fame. Drama schools become the norm across the world while those that failed to graduate are force to slave for the children ambitious to become celebrities ... the world started to doom itself when one celebrity mistakenly presses the red button to lunch the super doper star wars laser weapon from outer space (was already there prior to fame world) to burn the world, thinking that it was the button to lunch live concert. When the death ray reaches the world the celebrities thought new year has come early and begin to celebrate dancing openly only to be grilled alive. Those nearly reaching retirement slaving away in demeaning choirs are safe because they are all inside the shelter working like a donkey. The celebrities perish and the world slowly recover ....
Damn ... I think I should write a script for a movie.
Actually I'd agree... the OP does deserve some credit for listening.
Changing your opinions is a sign of reasonable intelligence.
Malala deserves a lot of credit for her actions and campaigning.
Maybe I should have included this from the start, was just interested in what other STW members had to say.
Big mistake!!!!
Should have know better and will next time. 😳
I'm not convinced personally. Yes it is nice that she is been given an opportunity, but I bet there are 100 in fact 1000's of children around the world who would be just as deserving.
My cynical side says that she was a result of newspaper journalism and government PR, after all we love a feel good story.
Last year the government decided we should treat a few blown up Afghanns in our hospitals. Again very noble, but this actually prevented UK citizens getting ITU beds.
Last year the government decided we should treat a few blown up Afghanns in our hospitals. Again very noble, but this actually prevented UK citizens getting ITU beds.
That's awful. UK citizens are so much more important than blown up Afghans.
Last year the government decided we should treat a few blown up Afghanns in our hospitals. Again very noble, but this actually prevented UK citizens getting ITU beds.
Do you have a reputable source for this? By reputable, I don't mean the Sun.
Yes would agree didn't think before tapping the pad nor get the full story!
I apologise if I have caused offence but that was not my intension.
Malala deserves a lot of credit for her actions and campaigning.
Maybe I should have included this from the start, was just interested in what other STW members had to say.
Deserves a lot yet, you would begrudge her the cost of a private education at the tax payers' expense? 10 grand a year doesn't seem so much for her actions and campaigning.
He asked for opinions, and he got them. It appears to have changed his mind. So all in all a worthwhile exercise imo.
Well, he's not really change his mind, all that has happened is that he has a different opinion based on more facts. We cannot see that his mindset with regard to the taxpayer funding her education has changed
What do I think? She's an inspiration who is likely to leave a lasting, positive impression on the other students she is at school with, we need more people like her and to do that we need to encourage people through alturism, support and compassion.
The ****stani government paid for her hospital treatment and as her father now has an ex-pat government position in Birmingham, I would assume the ****stani government are also paying for her education fees which would be pretty standard in that situation.
Or should we automatically assume because she is foreign and brown-skinned, it is the gullible British tax-payer picking up the tab?
Option 3. She gains her education here goes to visit ****stan and is assassinated by the nut jobs who tried it in the first place, There will be a huge outcry and mass hysteria but everything will go back to how it was! (I hope this doesn't happen by the way.)
For the record I fully believe that she should be given every opportunity in life, whether it be here or anywhere for that matter and I certainly don't mind my taxes contributing to her education but anyone who thinks that the Middle East will change are dreaming, yes this symbol of female defiance is a powerful weapon but its not nearly powerful enough.
I believe him. It is perfectly plausible that after hearing the counterarguments, of which there were many, the OP now accepts that his original knee-jerk reaction was simply wrong.After all he freely admits that he "didn't think before tapping the pad nor getting the full story".
If people can't accept that someone can change their mind then there isn't really that much point debating anything on a forum.
He asked for opinions, and he got them. It appears to have changed his mind. So all in all a worthwhile exercise imo.
Marvellous post. Makes a pleasant change to see the pitchforks crashing to the ground.
(Apart from those who don't/can't read the whole thread of course.)
I'm supposed to read the whole thread.....FFS
My 2p - irrespective of how or why the story came to light, its effect is, for the most part beneficial. Education is key to helping the impoverished improve their lot in life (one tiny example from Africa - eating the body parts of an albino will not give you strength or power and there are lots more). So, if Malal's experience can be used for the good of others then that's great and we should be enablers in making that happen.
My concern is that we, and the media, use her and her story and drive the agenda with the possible consequence of damaging a young girl's life. There are nutters in the UK who may like to see her dead as well as those in ****stan.
Re the OP - if he has had one scintilla of light shed on his ignorance of this subject that helps him to reassess his stand point then I am in full agreement with Ernie.
"That's awful. UK citizens are so much more important than blown up Afghans."
It's easy to spout this kind of nonsense isn't it , until a relative cant get the medical care that is needed because there's not enough beds in the hospitals! No human is more important than another but if you've paid national insurance all your life then you can be forgiven for expecting a decent level of care.
Final point - how many people (uk nationals) are refused treatment/medication on the grounds of it being to expensive yet we can fly Afghans/whoever half way around the world and give treatment/rehabilitation. (Not talking about the Malala case btw)
Ps I don't read the Daily Mail by the way.
[i]I'm supposed to read the whole thread.....FFS[/i]
Of course not! Attack him, go on!
Reading some of the posts on this thread I really do despair for humanity...
Thank god for that.
I'll just log onto the daily mail to pre load some outrage
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Final point - how many people (uk nationals) are refused treatment/medication on the grounds of it being to expensive yet we can fly Afghans/whoever half way around the world and give treatment/rehabilitation. (Not talking about the Malala case btw)
How much did we spend flying half way around the world to blow the shit out of their country?
An excellent propaganda exercise in the struggle against Islamic terrorism. Worth every penny.
Who is paying for the privilege?
We let inter-marriage 'cousins' come into the UK.
This girl isn't thick, she isn't crushed by her parents clearly. I think her (and her family) would be clearly a good addition to a democracy.
Its when people are brought in from a village and kept basically as domestic slaves for child production wearing a veil that disgusts me.
Yet we fight such things in Afghanistan.
I think her presence in this country is a minor victory against what goes on under our noses. See the irony?
I wonder why the two kids shot in [url=
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Who is paying for the privilege?
not the UK taxpayer, as far as I can see.
That is a really sad clip/link. However if you were flying over in their situation and the long camera's/bulk/bags appeared to be weapons what would you do? Sad really but from that commentary I couldn't call the pilot(s) gung-ho. Sorry, just a really tragic mistake.
We let inter-marriage 'cousins' come into the UK.
You do know it's actually legal to marry your first cousin here in the UK? You did know that, didn't you? And you weren't having a pop at a foreign culture or anything, were you? No. Good. Glad we've got that one sorted out...
I think her presence in this country is a minor victory against what goes on under our noses. See the irony?
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This is a disturbing story which highlights the need for cultural change:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21799703
It's easy to spout this kind of nonsense isn't it , until a relative cant get the medical care that is needed because there's not enough beds in the hospitals! No human is more important than another but if you've paid national insurance all your life then you can be forgiven for expecting a decent level of care.Final point - how many people (uk nationals) are refused treatment/medication on the grounds of it being to expensive yet we can fly Afghans/whoever half way around the world and give treatment/rehabilitation. (Not talking about the Malala case btw)
I've been paying for my own medical care as the NHS won't. How do you think that makes me feel?
Sorry, call me cynical but this is just propaganda/PR and insulting to those that desperately need help, of whatever kind.
"Just", CG?
Final point - how many people (uk nationals) are refused treatment/medication on the grounds of it being to expensive
I expect gunshot victims would be well looked after on the NHS, no?
Sorry, call me cynical but this is just propaganda/PR and insulting to those that desperately need help, of whatever kind.
Don't be ridiculous. Treating and educating this young woman will potentially do more to bring about effective change than a whole raft of other methods (most of which seem to be failing miserably). Look at the bigger picture and don't be so selfish. Even if it is propaganda/PR, sometimes that's essential in fighting an ideological battle. Or would you rather 'taxpayers money' be spent on bombing everything into oblivion?
I've been paying for my own medical care as the NHS won't.
Is the NHS denying you essential medical treatment? Can you prove this? If so, then you may well have a case.
Wow, well I never. I never knew it was legal here however WHO would? You'd have to be abit ****ing strange- you grow up with your inlaws after all. Grim.
I still think not shooting journalists and civilians from helicopters would be better PR than treating one girl and putting her in a school thousands of miles from home.
Is the NHS denying you essential medical treatment? Can you prove this? If so, then you may well have a case.
Yes I can prove it and will be doing so. I'm looking forward to it!
I still think not shooting journalists and civilians from helicopters would be better PR than treating one girl and putting her in a school thousands of miles from home.
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I still think not shooting journalists and civilians from helicopters would be better PR than treating one girl and putting her in a school thousands of miles from home.
You know I think her case is 100% grounds for Asylum. What would you do? Patch her up and pop her in ****stan or ask if someone else to take her?
Asylum should be for genuine cases and boy shes genuine.
Wow, well I never. I never knew it was legal here however WHO would? You'd have to be abit **** strange- you grow up with your inlaws after all. Grim.
You'd also have to be a bit ignorant to not know the laws in your own country, yet seemingly criticise other cultures for something...
I still think not shooting journalists and civilians from helicopters would be better PR than treating one girl and putting her in a school thousands of miles from home.
Of course. But to be seen to be a fair, compassionate and caring society, we're doing ourselves a big favour in terms of our world standing. And let's face it; with our recent track record, we need all the positive PR we can get!
Yes I can prove it and will be doing so. I'm looking forward to it!
Then I wish you the best of luck. You'll be aware of course that the NHS will have to use public money to fight the case;' money which could be spent on treatment rather than on expensive legal services.
Something for thx1138...
Thanks. The one I've got is perfectly adequate. 🙂
Last year the government decided we should treat a few blown up Afghanns in our hospitals. Again very noble, but this actually prevented UK citizens getting ITU beds.
Did it?
There are some threads that should be locked. This is one of them.
Then I wish you the best of luck. You'll be aware of course that the NHS will have to use public money to fight the case;' money which could be spent on treatment rather than on expensive legal services.
How naive. 😐
Last year the government decided we should treat a few blown up Afghanns in our hospitals. Again very noble, but this actually prevented UK citizens getting ITU beds.
WTF? Why not practice Eugenics then? I guess you'd advocate this next to thin the 'wasters' in the UK population?
Little hitlers are everywhere.
