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[quote=whatnobeer ]As for having a number of MP's who don't want Scotland to be in the UK, how is that any different to the UKIP MEP's?
I hope the SNP MPs will make as constructive contribution as the UKIP MEPs do.
Though whilst we're here, I'd like to note that you're the one comparing SNP with UKIP 😉
Though whilst we're here, I'd like to note that you're the one comparing SNP with UKIP
Shit the bed, I'm turning into THM 😮
[quote=tinribz ]good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM
Aaargh!
[quote=seosamh77 ]btw my prediction for the next government is Tory/LibDem/UKip.
Aaargh!
Would you like your shit sandwich in white or brown bread?
seosamh77 » btw my prediction for the next government is Tory/LibDem/UKip.
Aaargh!Would you like your shit sandwich in white or brown bread?
hahaha! 😀 Chuck the DUP in there too for a laugh! 🙁
Why does Michael Gove hate Scotland so much?
tinribz » good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM
No chance of that whatsoever. Alex Salmond has ruled it out.
tinribz - Member
Current predictions are actually Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM
Lab and SNP coalition?
Geez I did not know politicians can change their tones as they like just to get into power. In that case all politicians must be honest people. 😆
Lucky you WNB!!!!
[url= https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/02/leaders-debate/ ]YouGov Poll Results for comparison[/url]
[url= http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/polls/itv-leaders-debate-poll-for-guardian ]ICM Poll Results[/url]
Worrying how many people though Farrage won on immigration :s
Not sure we can take much away from any of these polls given how different all the results are?
[quote=seosamh77 ]Chuck the DUP in there too for a laugh!
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tinribz - MemberCurrent predictions are actually Lab Minority Gov with a good chance of Lab SNP colalition, Alex Salmond as Deputy PM
You realise Electoral Calculus has the odds of a Nat/Tory coalition as equal to Nat/Labour? Which is about as likely as a Salt/Slug coalition. (you may decide which is the salt and which is the slug)
Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective. But at least he loves us all.
teamhurtmore - Member
Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective. But at least he loves us all.
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Pick those dates, pick those dates!!!
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) says that 697,000 people were employed on zero-hours contracts for their main job between October and December 2014, based on figures from the Labour Force Survey. That represents 2.3% of the UK workforce.
Ed begins with ZHCs even though they represent <3% of employment. A leader with real perspective.
Not sure what point you are trying to make
i cannot care as I dont have one?
they are not important because they dont affect me?
Could you clarify the[s] troll/lazy jibe [/s] point you are making?
[quote=whatnobeer ]Not sure we can take much away from any of these polls given how different all the results are?
Just looking at the details of the YouGov poll in isolation gives that impression - on a basic level the rating for NS is so much lower almost across the board than for either DC or EM as to call into question one or other part of that poll (the only part she beats either on is immigration, which is massively distorted by the Farage effect). Looking at the breakdown of the ratings between supporters it gets worse with such huge polarisation on most issues as to call into question the objectivity of most of those surveyed.
It's funny watching coalition partners having a bitch. It would be fun to know how they really interact in cabinet. Uncle Vince moaning in the corner aside, I suspect rather well.
I liked Clegg's leaning.
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He's certainly leaning a bit to the left there.
NC: "and she is really more popular than me?"
NF: "yes and the world is round too, nick"
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) says that 697,000 people were employed on zero-hours
So well over half a million people then. And you think Miliband lacks "real perspective" because he is concerned about the employment status of approaching three quarters of a million workers ?
You're not a Tory voter are you THM ?
Not tied to any of them Ernie, you know that, you ask the question often enough. Much more refreshing that way.
Well you have pets insults for members of every party but the tories
I am sure its just a coincidence and an further indication of your neutrality.
Glad I watched the Darts instead.
Well you certainly come out with some classic Tory lines THM, such as the dismissive one which trivialized the zero hour issue.
There are now 100,000 [i]more[/i] zero hour contracts than there was last year. Which suggests that it is a [i]growing[/i] issue. Despite your attempts to trivializes it.
It would be scandalous if Miliband ignored it.
teamhurtmore - Member
Not tied to any of them Ernie
😆 aye? 😆
Indeed, just think of all the issues that affect the other 98% or tackling the reasons why we have ZHC? But that would take some metal dexterity and perspective. Good job neither are required to be PM!!
Tell you what, lend me one of your many poster girl pictures and I will see if it has your desired effect. I will let you know. Take you pick, I know that you have lots of them.
You somewhat perverse logic could be applied equally to NF arguments on immigration or Tory nonsense in welfare cheats. Fortunately basic perspective, allows most of them to be debunked immediately.
What on earth are you rambling on about ? 🙂
Have you been quenching your thirst ?
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This picture has caused uproar in my village after someone posted it up on a noticeboard - accusations of election crimes and everything.
Most amusing 🙂
...Alex Salmond as Deputy PM ...
Closely followed by a re-enactment at thm towers of the scene from Mars Attacks! when the invaders discover country music 😆
The fact that Labour's biggest union donor uses zero hours contracts and 70 of their own MPs also use them tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party. We also shouldn't forget that Labour pledged to end them in 1995 and did absolutely nothing about them for the 13 years they were in power.
UKIPs are knobs but 60% of new HIV cases/diagnosed a year arent British Nationals?
That aint going to a burden or problem is it? Political point scoring aside that is worrying.
If you run a business how many of the 7 would you want working for you?
And we want such people running or interfering in large parts of our lives? Bizarre
None.
Clegg out of the blocks attacking was funny. A desperate man knowing they could slip further so had to be rude (I felt) at points in his questions to Wallace & Cameron.
I have a sneaking sympathy for Clegg and on balance think the Coalition has not done too badly all things considered. Then he presented an almost sturgeon-esque fantasy list at the end which meant that evaporated quite quickly. Still like Akexander he may be looking for a new job soon.
The SNP use of the term "fiscal responsibility" was the comedy highlight of the night, closely followed by Milliband's look into my eyes approach. Spooky. Dave obviously told to try and stand aloof and be statesmanlike but meant he seemed uncomfortable and detached to me.
Like ZHC issue, Farrages nonsense about HIV simply requires some perspective.
NW, with a £6k cap coming how are the HW invites to US (and other) students taking shape. Looks like grade requirements for Sassenachs have been eased a couple of notches this year too.
Nothing much to say about the 'debate' other than I especially liked Nigel Farage's tribute to Chris Morris with his rant about foreign AIDS. I couldn't quite help think about what people in other countries must've thought about this motley collection of people who have somehow become our 'leaders'. And to think we laugh at the Americans.
So 60% of new diagnosis arent non British/EU?
The polls following the debates were quite interesting. Given that nationally the SNP would poll at around 4%, Nicola Sturgeon's ratings are pretty stunning. Loathe as I am to admit it the only other leader who rated higher than their election polling was Farage.
just5minutes - MemberThe fact that Labour's biggest union donor uses zero hours contracts and 70 of their own MPs also use them tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party.
Only there is no evidence that Labour's biggest union donor, Unite, uses zero hours contracts. The smear campaign by the Tory press and Tory supporters like yourself is based on one individual case which at the moment is the subject of an employment tribunal appeal.
The tribunal found that the individual who ran courses for the union was engaged on a series of short-term contracts. The tribunal did not find that he was employed on a zero hour contract, that allegation is being made by Unite's detractors.
But even if it were the case that Labour's biggest union donor was found to be at fault, it is actually possible - sometimes institutions are at fault you know, think the police, the NHS, etc, how on earth does that question "the integrity of Ed Milliband and the party" ffs?
Making the practice of enforced zero hours illegal after 12 weeks means that [u]everyone[/u], including trade unions, will fall foul of the law. It actually shows quite a lot of integrity by Ed Milliband and the party.
BTW your link merely reports that the Sun newspaper makes an "accusation" and "alleges" that 68 Labour MPs use zero hour contracts, hardly the most convincing unbiased evidence one can imagine of.
Still if it's true, the fact that a Labour government will introduce legislation to give individuals the right to a regular contract after 12 weeks of working regular hours, irrespective of the effect on MPs, should be celebrated, not condemned.
The tribunal found that the individual who ran courses for the union was engaged on a series of short-term contracts. The tribunal did not find that he was employed on a zero hour contract, that allegation is being made by Unite's detractors.
How many hours work did the 'series of contracts' (which the tribunal found made him an employee rather than self employed) guarantee him?
the fact that a Labour government will introduce legislation to give individuals the right to a regular contract after 12 weeks of working regular hours
It's not a fact if it hasn't happened and I'll believe it when I see it.
As I said, it really doesn't matter. The best that the Tory press could find was one example which is in the subject of an appeal. And was not found to be a ZHC.
But either way makes no difference. If Miliband intends to make illegal a practice which it is alleged benefits his largest trade union donor then I find impossible to understand how that questions his "integrity".
I liked the nice Welsh lady but otherwise wouldn't see any as leaders of a top ten nation.
In fact I'm still in favour of doing away with parlimentary constituencies, restructuring all councils as unitary and electing someone from each county to represent us in a European parliment.
Turn Westminster into some nice flats and build a new meeting place for the county reps near somewhere central like Doncaster or Wakefield.
So, how many hours work did the 'series of contracts' that Unite claimed did not make him an employee, guarantee him then?
I seem to recall mutuality of obligation and Carmichael v national power being the test here (?)
So 60% of new diagnosis arent non British/EU?
How many people does that equate to in real terms? Are those people paying taxes and NI?.
Only then will we know if these people are a 'burden', though I'd suspect not.
[quote=wilburt ]I liked the nice Welsh lady but otherwise wouldn't see any as leaders of [b][i]a top ten nation[/i][/b]. 🙄