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Equal pay and access to jobs, equal access to education, equal access to housing, equal chances of survival in the hands of the police, equal treatment by the police and authorities in general, equal treatment wherever and whatever they’re doing.
Misrepresenting the demands of black people is racist.
Are you talking equity or formal equality? We already have the latter.
@Edukator That's what I thought the BLM movement wanted to achieve. I also thought it was pretty obvious to all, that's why I'm not sure i_scoff_cake could have been referring to BLM activists too. Which makes the sweeping statement very odd.
@jambo Oooooooo, I like that. I can't understand why anybody would fear or resent equality with another, it doesn't mean they have to lose something. Unless they enjoy hating other people, they would probably need to lose that somewhere along the way.
Which for me begs the question, why hate anything? Such a waste of time and energy.
fund other social organisations to use that money to treat drug addict as a social ill instead. What is your interpretation of it?
That's just equivocation. The background to the Theory is that the police are racist by design and cannot be fixed or reformed. Then when pressed, they, as you do, claim they really only mean to fund more community projects. As for a laundry list of funding this or that 'grassroots' organisation to reduce crime, what evidence is this based on? How's it going?
I like that. I can’t understand why anybody would fear or resent equality with another, it doesn’t mean they have to lose something. Unless they enjoy hating other people, they would probably need to lose that somewhere along the way.
Which for me begs the question, why hate anything? Such a waste of time and energy.
The demand now is equity. This means forcing equal outcomes per racial group.
Do you believe that we should all be nice to everybody we see or meet, in person or on the net, regardless of what they look and/or sound like?
Why are you arguing over semantics with regard to racism? Racism is just bad. I don't really care about equity or formal equality when it comes to racism. It shouldn't be a conversation, racism simply should not exist.
And why aren't you answering lots of other queries directed towards you?
Are you talking equity or formal equality? We already have the latter.
Clue, I'm not talking about stocks or bonds. We most definitely don't have equality in any of the areas I cited, mainly because loads of people are racist and in positions of power where they can discriminate, and do so.
Edukator ftw
I don't know what i_scoff_cake is talking about. I did ask you to think of me as a child.
Are we all nice and calm now...?
Well, this went from being about a shonky news channel to something else totally different pretty quickly. I cam here expecting to see something about the Mike Hunt gag.
Equity vs formal equality is a very important distinction.
Group justice vs individual justice.
Equity means that the state deals with you, the individual, as simply a component of an indivisible identity group. The state will then hand out, or not hand out, resources, or seize resources from you, etc., based upon your race in order to ensure racial equity.
In the guise of class justice these ideas were complete failures in the 2oth century, so why should they do anything now except again make people poorer and give vast power to the state?
The demand now is equity. This means forcing equal outcomes per racial group.
Do you have a problem with that? I don't apart from the fact you've added the word "force" which isn't normally there and is your personal agenda and attempt at devaluing the idea. creating an environment in which equal outcomes are possible is the objective.
That's been your strategy thoughout this thread, a failed atempt at discrediting and devaluing messages you don't like.
You don't like equality or equity so try to make equity look bad and falsly claim we already have equality.
And you dress it up in pseudo intellectual language you don't understand well enough hide what you are doing from anyone who does.
racism simply should not exist.
What crime or prejudice should exist?
Don't worry, Mr I P Freely will be calling them soon.
Suggest a separate thread for BLM?
I get this nagging feeling that BLM is going to be an ongoing topic for "discussion" on GBeebies.
What crime or prejudice should exist?
Finding thinly veiled racist posting on Internet forums irritating.
If you want equity own it. You can't half have it or achieve it by taking knees. It requires the muscle of the state.
What's with the capitalisation of nouns? Should STW re-register as singletrackwelt.de?
Does nobody have a job anymore or are they using all their holiday time to shout at people in the street?
That's this forum in a nutshell, going by the amount of time some people seem to spend on here. Night and day! Lordy.
What’s with the capitalisation of nouns? Should STW re-register as <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">singletrackwelt.de</span>?
It's either an attempt to obfuscate meaning through faux academic prose (or as most people seem to be finding it, a complete torrent of crap), or he's A. A. Milne and the next thing he'll be discussing is how we're all Bears of Very Little Brain.
If you want equity own it. You can’t half have it or achieve it by taking knees. It requires the muscle of the state.
It requires racists to stop being racist. And that is down to education and awareness. I thank the England team for raising awareness.
time to shout at people in the street?
That’s this forum in a nutshell,
Isn't it just a product of the culture war GB news/Johnson is so desperate to perpetuate
If you keep enough people angry about the threat to their statues they'll go full i_scoff_cake and immerse themselves in conspiracies about BLM destroying society
And crucially keep them voting Tory/trump/brexit , because only they stand up for you in this (totally not made up) war and you won't bother to scrutinise whether they are actually any good at governing
Apropos of nothing, here is a nice picture of an aquatic mammal
Interesting interpretation of equity there. The actual definition of equity vs equality can be summarised as equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. It's very easy to say that we have equality when you can point to a black lawyer whilst ignoring the comparative difficulty they had in gaining such a position in the first place. Equity simply seeks to remove that difficulty by levelling the playing field and need not be (in fact isn't) restricted to just race.
I cam here expecting to see something about the Mike Hunt gag.
Tell me more....
Has someone trolled them on a phone-in?
Maybe apt for some to read and have a good look at themselves
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Maybe apt for some to read and have a good look at themselves
Firstly, it would help if she told us exactly what treatment she was talking about.
Meanwhile, on GBeebies, presenters are busy telling us like it is.
And on the telling us like it is news page, story #2 is "England football team are 'waging culture war on fans' by taking the knee"