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Has he got a crowdfunder we can contribute to?
Ah, you reminded me of this...
If you take away the 'content', its dreadful purely on a quality of production basis.
I mean, look at the state of this lot.
The GB News pitch meeting........ Right that's most of the team in place but I think we need a "person of colour" to meet our quota. Yes yes good point, I know why don't we have a black lady then if anyone starts throwing around accusations of racism or sexism we've got it covered. Brilliant, why don't we have two? To hell with it lets make it three then they won't have a leg to stand on.
^ To entertain your ‘quota’ claims for a moment, how do you (personally) decide whether someone attained their job by merit or by racial demographic? Or is that a false dilemma? Or in fact is even that ‘false dilemma’ a false dilemma?
(I’m needing some coffee it’s been a long an arduous morning)
It’s nonetheless an accusation that is used by various corners of the political compass. The so-called ‘soft racism’.
‘Bloody lefties are racists because they have a quota of black people employed for appearances/virtue-signalling’
‘Stupid gammons are racists because they have a quota of black people employed for appearances/virtue-signalling’
Don’t both (identical?) viewpoints work from an assumption that non-white people in the UK are really just inferior pawns in a political game being played by white people? Or is there a finer point to be made?
Always follow the money.....
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I expect their view of what antifa is and yours is somewhat different. They might associate it as a group associated with street violence and property destruction who spend a lot of time and energy looking for people they disagree with to have a fight and throw things at police officers
It's been quite a while since I went to a protest, but those guys were always just called "thugs" or "sh*t stirrers". They used to have a great time every Saturday afternoon at football matches in the early 1980s before the police started cracking down on that sort of thing and they had to find other targets that weren't their own wives, kids or dogs. They turn up to anything if there's a chance they can Do A Fight. At best, their political inclinations might be called "anarchist" although there used to be a major swathe of them that were really racist because it's easiest to identify someone you want to do a fight with if their skin is a different colour. But then when more Eastern Europeans came into the country it got confusing because those forrins looked white, so a good way of Doing A Fight now is to turn up at [b]anti[/b] racist protests, start smashing stuff up and then Do A Fight with people who try to stop you, whether that's protesters or police.
(I’m needing some coffee it’s been a long an arduous morning)
Under caffeinated or not, you make a very good point.
Always follow the money…..
Looks like it's Skymedia who've put loads of clients adverts onto GBNews. Lots of brands will be having a hurried talk with them today, and posting up apologies on social media.
If you take away the ‘content’, its dreadful purely on a quality of production basis.
The 20 minutes watched last night was dreadful.
Dan Wooton repeatedly cut off and talked over the (female) professor of virology whilst overtly agreeing with (male) Tory MP.
He asked her "is it true that you love lockdowns!?" and "isn't it true that there'll be lockdowns for the slightest thing now like seasonal flu?"
He asked the Labour MP that was on "what will your leftie mates think of you coming on here!?"
He gleefully declared "we won" about Brexit.
There was constant ad breaks (admittedly I flicked back to BBC during as breaks and came back to look at GB news so I don't know what was in the as breaks.)
Zoom interview with Rod Liddle (who was on to lambast taking the knee) began with technical issues (to much cringe for me at this point and it was past my bedtime so I switched off. God knows what he had to say about it.)
I saw Roger Daltry was due to be on.... Has he got some.... opinions!?
Daltrey is known for his pro-Brexit immigrant hating views. Perfect material for GB news
Zoom interview with Rod Liddle (who was on to lambast taking the knee) began with technical issues (to much cringe for me at this point and it was past my bedtime so I switched off. God knows what he had to say about it.)
The Rod Liddle who punched his pregnant girlfriend?
Rod Liddle is the small child who stands up in class and swears at the teacher to try and shock his classmates and show how rebellious he is. He'll basically say absolutely anything to get some press coverage
He's a complete cockwomble and therefore an absolute shoe in for GB News
https://twitter.com/Huwburt/status/1404563603445985282?s=20
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2003/jan/14/childprotection.rodliddle
[insert lazy joke about Rod Liddle complaining the article is too old]
The vibes I'm getting from this thread is that people seem a little surprised by this channel and its contributors, After all that has happened in the last five years, Why? Same thing for those on places such as the twittersphere, who are still morally outraged at how vote leave 'Won', and feel the necessity to point out the lies and failings of Johnson and his Government.
Yes, they are total wrong un's but you will be screaming into the void when it comes to trying to convince those who lapped up this type of propaganda to come to the conclusion that they made a mistake.
It's past time to start fighting fire with fire.
and feel the necessity to point out the lies and failings of Johnson and his Government
Don't worry, people will give up with weariness eventually... apart from a few who'll be labelled crackpots or enemies of the UK. See Putin.
From Gammon Magazine.
This culture war nonsense has consequences
https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/1404737058460033024
I agree with this article completely, theres another Jo Cox coming, but the Tories will say its worth it to keep the polls high
Good news with advertisers pulling their brands...
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/15/gb-news-kopparberg-suspends-ads-with-news-channel-14773257/
Good news with advertisers pulling their brands…
Loss-leader for martyrdom/culture-war stirrage?
Doesn’t that just play straight into their ‘anti-cancel-culture’ narrative? It reads to me as a resounding triumph for the GBTV agenda/target audience?
Sky News
To be fair, Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have been at the forefront holding the oligarchs to account. Ahead of a very slim pack, admittedly.
That Guardian article is interesting - suggesting Johnson is the liberal one. So who is driving the right wing media drive?
Good news with advertisers pulling their brands…
Good news because we can just cancel and ban our way to utopia right? Preferably led by corporations?
That Guardian article is interesting – suggesting Johnson is the liberal one. So who is driving the right wing media drive?
The Democratic Senator who referred to Johnson as ‘a shapeshifting creep’ was bang on. The man doesn’t have a single principle or belief.
He’ll adopt any position from Guardianista liberal to hard right racist, and everything in between, to fit his agenda. And the only agenda is his own advancement
He didn’t believe in Brexit for a second, but he hitched himself to it as a convenient vehicle and look where it’s got him?
theres another Jo Cox coming
Should probably send anyone who watched GB News to a re-education camp right? Just in case they murder an MP?
Should probably send anyone who watched GB News to a re-education camp right? Just in case they murder an MP?
Getting a little defensive there? No one is suggesting that. But as wise Germans remember, all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing.
With the current wokey snowflake world it is a no-brainer to have something different.
I like to read the opposing views, left, right centre whatever there are out there nowadays coz they are funny. I mean why should one side has the monopoly of all the topics/news whatever?
All of them have their niche audience and someone somewhere, left, right and centre whatever, is making some good money ...
Good news with advertisers pulling their brands…
Good ... give a chance to smaller brands a platform to compete.
"Kopparberg and Nivea pull ads from GB News amid ‘boycott’ threats"
It looks like these two brands are not going to survive long if they are only reacting to the market. Probably runs out of innovative ideas so let the "market" dictates to them.
Should probably send anyone who watched GB News to a re-education camp right? Just in case they murder an MP?
Erm wtf did I say that?
What I'm saying is that deliberately stoking cture war issues is a brilliant way of triggering the Tories target demographic
But convincing people that there's a woke conspiracy to do away with your culture etc keeps people voting for you, but it also keeps you scared.
That genie is hard to stuff back in the bottle, just look at the Capitol riots
Trump was exposed for what he was, many moderate republicans turned away from him
What will it take for people to realise how divisive & damaging Johnson & this made up culture war guff is?
But convincing people that there’s a woke conspiracy to do away with your culture etc keeps people voting for you, but it also keeps you scared.
And scared people are more easily manipulated, and more likely to do crazy shit.
What I’m saying is that deliberately stoking culture war issues is a brilliant way of triggering the Tories target demographic
Some would say that the people moaning about the culture war just want to be free to knock over any statues they want and train kids into the nonsense that is Critical Race Theory/Social Justice. So in other words, don't resist?!
But convincing people that there’s a woke conspiracy to do away with your culture
Of course there is. The Activists-Academics have a mountain of research into the various 'studies' disciplines to this end. CRT is a *plan to take an axe to everything cultural (used in the broad sense) in the name of levelling extant power structure.
*It's more like a nihilism really.
Wow, this culture war guff really does have you living in fear!
Activist academics 🤣🤣🤣
I'd like to see this great plan to axe everything cultural 🙄 is there a document somewhere that lays this all out
Or did you piece it together from secret illuminati messages?
What do you think 'dismantling' white supremacy and systemic racism looks like? This refers to a hegemony (all that is in terms of knowledge and culture). See Gramsci and Foucault, although they have been written out of their own theories now.
OTOH you're right that there is no formal plan hence why I reached for nihilism as an appropriate description. Without a brake, the woke would lead us into a destructive cultural revolution of great intensity.
Some would say that the people moaning about the culture war just want to be free to knock over any statues they want and train kids into the nonsense that is Critical Race Theory/Social Justice. So in other words, don’t resist?!
Wow, you’ve really drunk the kool-aid then?
Do you actually know what Critical Race Theory is?
Do you actually know what Critical Race Theory is?
I'm fairly familiar with the broad movement thanks. It's the shakey epistemology of CRT that most interests me. It holds up to no scrutiny at all being anti-empirical.
Without a brake, the woke would lead us into a destructive cultural revolution of great intensity.
Do you ever step back, look at what you've typed and think 'maybe the internet isn't for me'?
Wow, this culture war guff really does have you living in fear!
Activist academics 🤣🤣🤣
Power.
Everyone loves power, regardless.
Power is an addiction.
Without power life is meaningless.
Remember the saying "life is a struggle"?
Struggle for what you say?
Well, struggle to control.
To control others, the surroundings and yourself.
To control you need power.
If you are not being controlled, then you control others and that involves power ... even a tiny insect is at your mercy. You step on the insect because you can and the insect cannot fight back.
Let go of power, you let go of yourself.
When you let go of power, you let go of yourself and the journey ends; and life is nothing but emptiness after that. Call it whatever you wish.
Try let it go and see how far you go.
Do you ever step back, look at what you’ve typed and think ‘maybe the internet isn’t for me’?
Why?
Do you ever step back, look at what you’ve typed and think ‘maybe the internet isn’t for me’?
Perhaps ask yourself what limits the 'discovery' of racism in both the symbolic realm and the minds of men when it comes to CRT? The answer is that there is no limit. It has no brake.
ooh chewkw i do love an assumption, but not as much as i love randomly linking of totally independant assumptions to form a, erm, whats it called when its not a coherent argument, oh yeah, totally random collection of words.
good use of punctuation 3/10
Good news because we can just cancel and ban our way to utopia right?
Brands can advertise wherever they want. That’s not banning. That’s not cancelling. It’s choosing where your advertising spend goes, and which channels you want to be associated with. That decision is sometimes about your customers, sometimes about the sensibilities of key people in the company. Running a mile away from GBNews is the right move for just about any brand. Who wants to be connected with this nonsense?
That's kind of a bad faith argument in my view because you're clearly partisan against GB News. Would you be 'celebrating' if corporations started to take money away from progressive causes? After all, it's their right?!
It's the implicit narrowing of the Overton window that bothers me. Time was when a real plurality of voices was considered a good thing in itself. Now one isn't 'pure' unless very strict progressive views are held. Dissent can't be tolerated.
You think there aren’t “progressive” media channels struggling for advertising? There is no narrowing of the “Overton window” in the UK. That’s just nonsense. The BBC will carry interviews with people involved with organisations to the far left and right of politics around the world. When it comes to advertising, if you let your brand be connected with those with a clear political agenda, whether that is Novaramedia, the Canary, Westmonster, GBNews… then that’s your call. If you want to avoid that, well that is also your call. There is no banning, no cancelling. Channels have no right to revenue from brands.
I’m fairly familiar with the broad movement thanks. It’s the shakey epistemology of CRT that most interests me. It holds up to no scrutiny at all being anti-empirical.
Well, you’re clearly not, then because it isn’t a ‘movement’ so much as as an intersectional academic approach to analysing the effect of race in the legal system and society.
What it is, is widely misunderstood as a result of its inappropriate citation by a number of right wing commentators in the USA (including Trump) to describe any anti racism or pro diversity approaches.
Just like use of “the left”, “woke”, “feminists” it’s become a dog whistle to the uninformed to hold up as an example of the ills of society when it’s patently nothing of the sort.
And your comment about “anti empirical” is just nonsense - there are huge numbers of valid research fields where qualitative, not quantitative data are sought, CRT being but one example.
I've just put it on.
This is appalling. Appalling.
Amateurish, shoddy, ranting