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The policeman did a difficult job, and holding him to account for that in the moment choice of phrase is harsh I feel.
I'm not saying the job is easy, and I'd say that he probably didn't want to have to arrest the Jew at the Pro-Palestinian march, but as soon as he made that assessment, he's ****ed, becasue its the wrong decision. Falter went looking for a confrontation, he doesn't care if that a punch up with the protestors, being arrested or whatever, and he got what he wanted becasue the Met cop on the spot gave him what he wanted because if you gave the Met. an opportunity to **** it up, they will.
This is worthy of further investigation...
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1782521331814146342
Whatever the truth of the matter turns out to be, how many people would be in a position to get this degree of political support and media coverage?
'Even JHJ gets it. The Cop just has to say to him “I suspect that you have inflammatory intent, if you don’t follow my instruction, I’m going to arrest you”'
And what would the policeman's grounds for believing there was inflammatory intent be?
The Cop just has to say to him “I suspect that you have inflammatory intent, if you don’t follow my instruction, I’m going to arrest you”
With hindsight, it would have been much better wording.
With hindsight being a key factor there. Easy to come up with it after the event, rather than in the middle of a difficult situation.
And what would the policeman’s grounds for believing there was inflammatory intent be?
I'd hazard a guess at the other police on the route who had previously blocked falter's "look at me" attempts to walk against the flow of the march with his hired security goons and film crew following him.
It would be so much easier if folk just watched or read what has already been posted.
because if you gave the Met. an opportunity to **** it up, they will.
But that actually isn't true. The Met police over 2000 protests every year. They take place in extremely difficult circumstances and involve thousands and thousands of people. The Met have done their absolute best (with no political support or leadership) to be fair and to facilitate the right of all sides to peaceful protest.
This whole manufacturered scandal, is about one misplaced word, by one Sgt, in the middle of a 15 min plus conversation.
Even with all that going on, the peace was maintained and despite significant attempts to start a fight, no one was hurt.
And what would the policeman’s grounds for believing there was inflammatory intent be?
Really?
Cop's on a protest march for Palestine, he sees laddo coming towards him and clocks the Kippah. He now has 3 choices. 1 Kippah man has no clue about the protest, has legitimate reasons for being there and thinks he needs/ or wants cops help, 2 Says to the cop I want to join the protest, I believe in their cause, do you think I can, what do I do? or 3. Laddo starts in on him and makes it clear that he's there for a confrontation. Actions on 1 and 2 are easy, action 3 is Don't do that mate, or I'm going to nick you. Because that's what would happen at any other protest.
I suspect cop (and has been briefed by the brass at the Met) doesn't want to be on the front cover of the Evening Standard arresting a Jew at a Pro-Palestinian march so ties himself up in knots trying not to do what turns out to be the least bad option; arrest the fella for not complying with the reasonable requests. If the cop had done that, the story would be the Met defending his legitimate actions, and Laddo having to say that he went there to FA and FO. Instead we've now got this shit show becasue the cop forgot all his training when put on the spot.
Bad Cop.
Some of the responses on this thread, made without the pressure of that situation, are very depressing though.
They depress you because you don't agree with them? As you know this thread is very closely moderated but if you feel that anything unacceptable has been posted you shouldn't resist hitting the report button.
I agree that the term 'openly jewish' was not the correct one in this situation. I don't know what Gideon Falter was wearing on that occasion, quite likely a badge saying 'Stand with Israel' which is popular with pro-Israelis and he was after all there as the chief executive of a pro Israeli counter demonstration, in which case 'openly pro Israeli' would have been a more appropriate choice.
But I do know that the term 'openly jewish' is definitely not anti-semitic (apologies if that depressed anyone) On all these demonstrations there are people who are openly Jewish and make a point of being openly Jewish.
If I can work out how to do it (the new forum editor is doing my head in) I will post a photo I took on that very demonstration of someone being 'openly Jewish'.
I think this Gideon prick is derailing this thread somewhat.
In other news:
https://youtube.com/shorts/19U7AhgT4VM?si=8isx_VxhLYPB5xGj
Is this worth defending?
Bad Cop.
I think you're being overly dramatic about it, and I'm going to say, seems quite unlike you.
That ^^ was taken on the demonstration in question. Someone was being both openly Jewish and openly anti Hamas. No one bothered him and he was just fine
I have only just seen this article and it has a better photograph than mine
I also particularly liked this comment:
He added that “every major pro-Palestine demonstration in London has included a large Jewish bloc which has received nothing but support and warmth from their fellow demonstrations”.
“Claims that these protests are no-go zones for Jews are completely untrue,” he said.
I have to say that the Jewish Bloc on these demos is surprisingly large, and very well organised with banners etc. Although many Jews attend these demos as individuals.
On the last demo (the one related to in the Falter incident) about half way through I got chatting to a young Jewish guy and what I suspect was his very elderly grandmother (she seemed quite frail so I was impressed that she was on the demo) I commented that they were the first (openly) Jewish people that I had seen on the demo and had started to think that it might be the first pro-Palestine demo where I hadn't seen a Jewish presence. They told me that the Jewish Bloc was further ahead on the march.
jivehoneyjive
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Perhaps
‘You’re being openly inflammatory with a political agenda on behalf of an apartheid foreign state’
may have been more appropriate…
The many thousands of people carrying the flags of the PNA, wearing the colours of the PNA, and calling for statehood for Palestine have not been described as bearing a political agenda on behalf of an undemocratic foreign state, I notice.
"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to...
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations."
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
eh ? you can't accuse me of being an Israeli spy as that's being antisemitic 😕
I’m unsure what politecameraactions post is referring to or the point of it?
A very level-headed view from a member of the US establishment
KlunkFree Member
eh ? you can’t accuse me of being an Israeli spy as that’s being antisemitic 😕
Obviously if you go around accusing random Jewish people of being Israeli spies, then yes, that's buying into a common anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Baghdad_hangings
But Gideon Falters "Campaign Against Antisemitism" is a pro Israeli lobbying organisation that has received $500,000 from the Jewish National fund which is committed to recolonising Palestine, there are numerous outspoken voices in this country and in Israel regarding his charity and his weaponisation of the term antisemitism, the Times of Israel and Haaretz carried out investigations into his ties with far right settler groups, I'll hunt them out as he comes across as a particularly nasty and islamophobic person.
For the record I totally stand by my original comment...
The weaponization of the term antisemitism in defence of Israel has become farcical at this point and shows grave insensitivity to the genuine genocide carried out by an apartheid occupying force.
We'll leave the role Falter and others of the same ilk played in the intrusion of a foreign state into the democratic process of our nation for another day, as frankly, I feel the focus should be on improving the plight of the Palestinians at this stage.
An alternative viewpoint from a student at the Columbia university campus regarding the antisemitism smears cast against the protests, the involvement of the NYPD to remove the students made the 10 o’clock news on R4.
Link to Jonathan Ben-Menachem’s report on why he’s protesting
The weaponization of the term antisemitism in defence of Israel has become farcical
Only because of the horrors which have been occurring in Gaza for the last six months.
Five years ago zionists in the UK totally had the upper hand and successfully created the myth of rampant anti-semitism as they shut down all criticism of Israel and destroyed the careers of politicians who dared to support justice for Palestine.
The reason they still push the anti-semitism line, despite the growing absurdity of it all, is because they have so little else to offer. It has worked so well for them in the past that they don't really have a plan B.
so wierd seeing Rivkah Brown turn up in all this, i used to work with here 10 years ago!
There appears to have been a sea change concerning which right-wing UK newspaper is champion of bigotry, the Daily Telegraph appears to have snatched that accolade from the Daily Mail.
Since last Friday the Daily Telegraph has been relentlessly pursuing the Gideon Falter v police story and backing Suella Braverman's demands that the Met police chief be sacked.
In contrast unlike the Daily Telegraph the Daily Mail seemed to drop the story when it became clear that the 55 second clip didn't tell the whole story.
Instead the last few days the Daily Mail has been, to their credit, giving huge coverage of this appalling incident where some Muslim women returning from a pro-Palestine demo where exposed to a tirade of extremely offensive racism.
Every demo in London on the issue of fascism or war in the middle east will have seen counter demonstrators in the form of the NF, BNP, EDL or whatever trying to provoke the crowd or causing trouble, same with any pro-rightwing demos which usually attract a decent crowd of lefty socialist worker types. At every single one of these the cops stand in the middle to keep them apart and arrest anyone who refuses to do what they're told. The Gideon Falter situation was no different.
the Daily Mail has been, to their credit, giving huge coverage of this appalling incident where some Muslim women returning from a pro-Palestine demo where exposed to a tirade of extremely offensive racism.
Don't be fooled, the DM has always had a single narrative.
All that story does is allow them to claim they are addressing both sides. They're back to demonizing the Palestinians and Islam again.
50:1 story's are not a balanced view.
All that story does is allow them to claim they are addressing both sides.
Which is certainly more than what the Daily Telegraph is doing these days.
Things are really kicking off in the United States, it's like the late 1960s revisited. How long before the National Guard open fire on university campuses?
And so knee jerk has the anti-semitism allegation become that the Times of Israel appears to have missed the irony of using a photo of Jews wearing "not in our name" tee shirts as an example of anti-semitism.
the Times of Israel appears to have missed the irony of using a photo of Jews wearing “not in our name” tee shirts as an example of antisemitism.
I seem to remember that the claims of antisemitism that came out against the labour party, that effectively removed J.Corbyn from his position, were criticism of the Zionist movement and were attributed to Jewish members and supporters of Labour.
It was the first example I'd come across of Jewish people being accused of antisemitism. It left me rather confused on how someone Jewish could be accused of such a thing.
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the Times of Israel appears to have missed the irony of using a photo of Jews wearing “not in our name” tee shirts as an example of antisemitism.I seem to remember that the claims of antisemitism that came out against the labour party, that effectively removed J.Corbyn from his position, were criticism of the Zionist movement and were attributed to Jewish members and supporters of Labour.
I don't wish to drag the conversation back to Gideon Falter but he (and his Mossad backers) created the "Campaign Against Antisemitism" in 2014 to bring down Jeremy Corbyn/Labour Party.
I don’t wish to drag the conversation back to Gideon Falter
Yeah he's an all round scumbag. Him speaking on behalf of UK Jewry is a bit like Tommy Robinson doing the same for the English.
Gideon Falter but he (and his Mossad backers) created the “Campaign Against Antisemitism” in 2014 to bring down Jeremy Corbyn/Labour Party.
This is (openly...) an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Corbyn wasn't even elected leader of the Labour Party until September 2015.
This is (openly…) an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
What a brilliant example of how the term "anti-semitic" is now used with complete disregard whether or not it is appropriate.
Somafunk's timeline might well be incorrect but the idea that it is "anti-semitic" is absurd.
There is no "conspiracy theory", there is however the fact that the CAA was set up by a small bunch of British zionists who were concerned about the bad publicity Israel was receiving in 2014 during one of its regular turkey shoots in Gaza.
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/analysis/how-a-small-band-of-activists-took-the-lead-ct3bq3tg
Did you hit the report button if you genuinely believed that Somafunk's comment was anti-semitic, or was shouting anti-semitic just a knee jerk reaction which wasn't supposed to be taken seriously?
You do realise that these absurd allegations seriously undermine the fight against actual anti-semitism, don't you?
I have seen the slogan with "if you haven't been accused of anti-semitism you haven't spoken up enough for Palestine".
People are starting to treat the allegation as a badge of honour.
Edit: And to be fair I have a great deal of admiration for the growing number of Jews who are accused of being anti-semitic.
This is (openly…) an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Corbyn wasn’t even elected leader of the Labour Party until September 2015.
The CAA was formed in 2014 during the 2014 Israeli conflict with Gaza to counter the UK led Palestinian movement of which Jeremy Corbyn was a very vocal proponent for Palestinian rights and a target for the CAA
Do not throw around such crass comments, I am well aware of when Corbyn was elected and the CAA targeted him in 2014.
It is, literally, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory to suggest that British Jews are being backed by Mossad to engage in a conspiracy to bring down your favourite political leader.
It fits right up there with accusing Jews of being Israeli spies and claiming that Jews are acting on behalf of a foreign state. It's exactly of the type of behaviour the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance gave as common examples of anti-Semitism. See the link above.
There is no suggestion that any other demonstrators are "acting on behalf of foreign states" when they express their opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
It fits right up there with accusing Jews of being Israeli spies and claiming that Jews are acting on behalf of a foreign state. It’s exactly of the type of behaviour the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance gave as common examples of anti-Semitism. See the link above.
The link you quoted says:
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Does that mean it is (claimed to be) antisemitic to say that a specific individual is more loyal to Israel than the UK, or does it mean that it is antisemitic to say that British Jews in general are more loyal to Israel? Because the former is clearly ludicrous, since an individual may well be more loyal to Israel (under different circumstances it might apply to me, since I hold no great "loyalty" to the place where I happened to be born). And the latter is irrelevant to the current debate, since nobody (that I have seen) is claiming that British Jews in general are more loyal to Israel.
There is no suggestion that any other demonstrators are “acting on behalf of foreign states” when they express their opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Maybe they would be if Palestine was recognised as an "state", however false accusations that demonstrators supporting Palestine are terrorist sympathisers, are violent and ant-semantic are frequently voiced by the media, politicians and pro-Israeli supporters with barely any push back.
The support for Palestine are held to much higher moral standards, and frankly IMO one of the reasons that the Israeli propaganda machine is failing is because they have upheld higher moral standards and many people can see the those dual standards in practise.
It is, literally, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory to suggest that British Jews are being backed by Mossad to engage in a conspiracy to bring down your favourite political leader.
How anti-semitic is that?!?! After accusing others of being anti-semitic you lump all British Jews together!
No one on here is criticising "British Jews", many of whom are committed anti-Zionists. And it is frankly pretty racist to lump all Jews together
There is no suggestion that any other demonstrators are “acting on behalf of foreign states” when they express their opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Not only have those who show their support for Palestine been accused of acting on behalf of Hamas, the governing authority in Gaza, but Israel has gone as far as accusing the International Court of Justice of being "the legal arm of Hamas".
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-accuses-south-africa-of-being-the-legal-arm-of-hamas/
It is, literally, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory to suggest that British Jews are being backed by Mossad to engage in a conspiracy to bring down your favourite political leader.
Which is probably why no one is stating that. The statement being made is about an individual and even there it doesnt meet the anti-Semitic definition since that states it is about prioritising Israel over their own which again no one is claiming.
I think its rather hard to try and argue the CAA isnt a pro-Israeli organisation and one which did target Corbyn and co. Which, to be fair, if I was a pro-Israeli activist I would have been weighing up the pros and cons of doing so.
May did have to kick out an Israeli diplomat for being stupid enough to be caught talking about trying to "take down" unfriendly mps. Whether they were someone competent who dropped their guard or just a walty mitt character is still unclear.
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Never understood the Labour and Corbyn antisemite stuff…
Really? It was absolutely imperative for zionists that the Labour Party should not win a general election with Corbyn as their leader, and Labour got pretty close to it in 2017. Can you imagine how much it would have set back the Zionist cause if the UK, supposedly the United States closest ally, become pro-Palestinian? And on top of that a permanent member of the UN Security Council, NATO, and G7.
Obviously it was always going to be a struggle to cast as racist a man who for years had been ridiculed by the right-wing press for his political correctness/opposition to racism, and to simultaneously claim that the Labour Party was rife with anti-semitism, despite the fact that the previous party leader had been a Jew and faced no problem whatsoever for being Jewish, but with help from Labour right-wingers and, ironically, the right-wing press, they did a pretty good job.
All UK governments for the foreseeable future will do whatever they can to support Zionism, even if public pressure and international law forces them to reluctantly take limited measures against the Israeli government.
Standing up for Palestinians isn’t antisemitic
Of course it isn't. That was never the issue.
Can we get back to the current hell of what is happening in Gaza, rather than all this nonsense about organisations being set up by Mossad specifically to be ready in case Corbyn ever became leader? It's all nonsense. Irrelevant self indulgent self congratulatory backwards looking after the fact nonsense, in a time of real crisis for the people of Palestine.
Standing up for Palestinians isn’t antisemitic
Of course it isn’t. That was never the issue.
It goes to the very heart of the issue and being in denial isn't helpful. Speaking up in support of the Palestinian people will very likely result in accusations of anti-semitism.
A classic example is the International Court of Justice expressing concern for the Palestinian people in Gaza, the Israeli governments response is absolutely typical - it accuses the ICJ of anti-semitism:
The Israeli government and its supporters misuse the term to deflect criticism of the way they treat Palestinians:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2023/apr/24/un-ihra-antisemitism-definition-israel-criticism
That's not about Labour's problems. And they weren't about "standing up for Palestinians". That absolutely can be done without defending or turning a blind eye to antisemitism.
eally? It was absolutely imperative for zionists that the Labour Party should not win a general election with Corbyn as their leader, and Labour got pretty close to it in 2017
I get all that, but for me Corbyn was never an antisemite..... Media bollocks blew it up to be an issue.
However, I agree with @kelvin
This topic as been derailed.
The issue here should be what Isreal is doing in Gaza, not what happened years ago in British politics..
FWIW, I would vote for an anti-zionist government (but I can't vote).
And for some balance here's a bit of Isreali propaganda
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZQys2Y3baMo?si=J9x9LhkhHspT1W7b
That’s not about Labour’s problems. And they weren’t about “standing up for Palestinians”.
No it's about the problem which zionists have with any criticism of Israel, whether it is within the Labour Party or within the International Court of Justice.
They use the term anti-semitism as a blanket response to any criticism wherever it might come from - South Africa, the Labour Party, the ICJ, American university campuses, etc.
And yes it is about standing up for Palestinians - all the allegations of anti-semitism stem from precisely that.
This topic as been derailed.
Not at all. The Israeli government and its supporters have made anti-semitism a central issue to the discussion concerning what is currently happening in Gaza. Obviously I wish they hadn't but there's no point denying that they have.
The Israeli government and its supporters have made anti-semitism a central issue to the discussion concerning what is currently happening in Gaza.
Agree, but going over it ad infinitum and arguing the toss about every point is distracting.
Distracting from what - your videos of children crying? Or whatever they are, I don't fancy clicking.
It's all about anti-semitism, according to the Israeli Prime Minister today. Anti-semitic mobs have apparently taken over leading American universities and he claims that they want to "kill Jews wherever they are", although he omits to mention the vital role that Jews are playing in these university campus demonstrations.
According to Netanyahu "when you listen to them they not only say death to Israel, death to the Jews". And yet when I listened to what the American students were chanting yesterday it was "let Gaza live". It particularly struck me as it was a chant which I had never heard before - one of the common chants in the London demos is "Gaza Gaza don't you cry, we will never let you die".
One of the most amusing videos I've seen of the US demos is the woman at Yale with "Jew" written on her T-shirt wandering around apparently in the hope that she will be abused so that her husband can film her being punched. Maybe that's how they get their kicks - each to their own - but unfortunately for them nobody takes the remotest bit of notice of them.
Mass graves in Gaza show victims’ hands were tied, says UN rights office
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876
The photograph of what remains of the Al-Shifa Hospital is truly horrific. Surely the IDF unit responsible for that must be reasonably easy to identify and at some point in the future you would expect individuals responsible to be put on trial for war crimes?
Especially as global hostility towards Israeli actions appears to be growing with every day - and not least in the United States.
I found this particularly sobering :
“Every 10 minutes a child is killed or wounded. They are protected under the laws of war, and yet they are ones who are disproportionately paying the ultimate price in this war,” said the High Commissioner.
It’s all about anti-semitism, according to the Israeli Prime Minister today.
Bernie disagrees.
your videos of children crying? Or whatever they are, I don’t fancy clicking.
Honestly, mate... I don't ****ing blame you for not wanting to watch it. It's sickening, yet it's happening.
Never understood the Labour and Corbyn antisemite stuff…
If you want to discuss it, start a new thread. Corbyn's stupid blindness to anti-Semitism, and the mad anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about how a British Jew was backed by Mossad to foment against him a decade ago, and the propensity for lefties to repackage and reproduce tired anti-Jewish memes in modern times despite claiming not to be bigoted, have little or nothing to do with Gaza.
Blimey, calm down, why not tell us about your bikes?
… how a British Jew was backed by Mossad to foment against him a decade ago….
Because supporters of the Israeli state would never seek to interfere in another countries elections and undermine candidates whose opinions about Isreal they disagreed with.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections
Same thing, different scale
Corbyn’s stupid blindness to anti-Semitism
There was no more anti-semitism in the Labour Party under Corbyn than at any other time, it was made up nonsense to attack his support for Palestine.
The Labour Party leader literally before Corbyn was a Jew, not once during the entire time that Ed Miliband was leader do I recall anyone, or any right-wing newspaper, claim that Labour has a problem with anti-semitism. And yet it suddenly became a problem as soon as Corbyn became leader.
Claims of anti-semitism is used as an excuse to condemn anyone who criticises the Israeli apartheid state. Two days ago the Israeli prime minister used that precise tactic when he publicly claimed that American university students protesting against the slaughter and starvation of Palestinians were anti-semitic and comparable to the Nazis in Germany.
"It’s absurd to say that they are gonna bring in the National Guard and the NYPD to protect Jews when it’s actually Jews who are being arrested,” he added.
https://twitter.com/fizapirani/status/1783538443231879355
This is the sort of person which the Israeli prime minister a couple of days ago accused this week of anti-semitism and compared with the Nazis.
the mad anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about how a British Jew was backed by Mossad to foment against him a decade ago
The Israeli policy of Hasbara is not a conspiracy "theory", it is a documented fact. The Israeli state spends £millions trying to influence foreign governments and overseas public opinions.
If you genuinely don't know about Hasbara I suggest that you read this article. Unless you believe that mainstream Israeli newspapers are spreading "mad anti-Semitic conspiracy theories"?
Which acts of racism do you think are being erased?
Can you erase apartheid racism? Genuine question.
Its worth noting even Margaret Hodges has accused the CAA of using antisemitism as a weapon.
“I’m fed up of CAA using antisemitism as a front to attack Labour. Time to call them out for what and who they really are,”
The argument here seems to be that you can erase acts of actual racism if you can point to a sufficient number of false accusations of racism.
See my comment at the top of this page:
"You do realise that these absurd allegations seriously undermine the fight against actual anti-semitism, don’t you?"
How do you think that wild allegations of anti-semitism helps the fight against genuine anti-semitism?
Fair point but the racist ideology that dehumanizes Palestinians to 'human animals' facilitates the genocide that is taking place.
See my comment at the top of this page:
“You do realise that these absurd allegations seriously undermine the fight against actual anti-semitism, don’t you?”
Shady plots to topple or control foreign leaders is top of the list when it comes to antisemitism. It’s Protocols of the Elders of Zion material - the anti-Jew racist trope top trump. PCA’s point was valid.
The response has been to disparage accusations of antisemitism in general by finding media examples to ridicule. Or, to a lesser extent, by trying to justify the original conspiracy claim.
I agree with Alpin above, in a sense. It's possible to discuss Israel/Gaza without this.
I started the tangent with thoughts on the Gideon Falter video and subsequent longer versions - I inwardly debated a new thread vs this one and decided to add to this so Mark has only one to watch over. IDK if that was right, there's been a lot of column inches spent on it and then by extension the whole anti-semitism argument, which may or may not have derailed the Gaza thread.
But to me that and the situation in Gaza are parts of the same thing. If the topic of anti-semitism wasn't there then I feel there would be a far stronger condemnation and even action by now against the IDF's actions. So the debate has to be had alongside what is still happening every day in Gaza itself, one exacerbates the other and v/v.
PCA’s point was valid.
In your opinion. However that you handwave the counterpoints away with "media examples to ridicule" and "justify" doesnt really work well.
Do you feel Hodge was wrong and if so why?
Do you feel May was incorrect to expel the Israeli diplomat for trying to remove unfriendly mps? If so why?
Note that when clear antisemitic tropes are deployed against Soros there is absolute silence from the pro-Israeli and sometimes even defence of the attackers. Guess why.
I think all this talk about whether antisemitism existed/exists and whether Isreal do or don’t **** about with the narrative in other countries, both politically and culturally is distracting from what Isreal is doing in Gaza.
Not at all. Joe Biden, which Israel is totally dependent on, is facing enormous and constantly growing opposition to his policy of providing weapons to Netanyahu and his far-right government so that they can kill Palestinians.
This is being replicated throughout the world. Israel is for very obvious reasons losing global public opinion so it has resorted to what it always resorts to, accusing those who criticise it of being anti-semitic.
There isn't a huge amount that those across the world who are opposed to the apartheid state can do beyond pushing back against the lie and putting pressure on governments.
Watching videos has very limited usefulness - I don't need to see a video of a child reduced to skin and bones to be convinced that withholding food from innocent civilians is unacceptable.