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It was Kissinger that said “Any people who has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.”
I think we can add another 2000 years because of this genocide.
Well there's a classic anti-semitic statement , even if Kissinger did say it, although I suspect that he might have said it in jest.
And no, Jews will not be persecuted for another 2000 years because of this genocide. Jews are not responsible for the current genocide in Gaza, zionists are. And that includes all zionists, including people like Joe Biden and the King of Saudi Arabia.
Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics
There is nothing to suppose, Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics. Anymore than Germans were psychopathic lunatics because of the holocaust.
Thanks for taking the time to explain Irish history
How is pointing that the conditions which caused the Irish famine in 1850 no longer exist today "explaining" Irish history? Where does that come from?
It is a simple observation and has nothing at all to do with explaining history.
Likewise pointing out that there is currently a famine going on in Gaza isn't explaining Palestinian history, it is an observation.
Any chance of a half-sensible discussion over what is a truly tragic and horrendous situation?
Well there’s a classic anti-Semitic statement , even if Kissinger did say it, although I suspect that he might have said it in jest.`
Ironic you should think that Earnie, because he also said that "if not for an accident of birth, I(he) would be antisemitic"
Yes I did know about the "if it wasn't for an accident of birth" comment. Kissinger was a deeply unpleasant war criminal, I don't really value his views on anything, whether they are said in jest or not.
But that "there is a reason why Jews have been hated for hundreds of years" and variations of it, is a long established anti-semitic trope which I think the Nazis also used.
https://www.instagram.com/trtworld/reel/DBTrxNRC2r_/
Joe Biden certainly used to be a much better speaker than he is today. And he understood the meaning of the word genocide much better too.
I need to apologise - I had had a few beers and my comment, borne of anger at Israel's current conduct, was poor.
What I was trying to get across was the incomparability of the 30 year 'Troubles' (3-4000 deaths in 30 years) with the current conflict (45,000 dead in a year and a full-scale military invasion of the area).
I was being a **** with how I put it, though. Apologies.
There is nothing to suppose, Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics. Anymore than Germans were psychopathic lunatics because of the holocaust.
In your haste to contradict me, you seem to have got your negatives muddled. Anyway, to be clear, I was not stating that Israelis are or are not psychopathic lunatics. I was defining the parameters of my hypothetical situation.
But the parallel with Germany is interesting. Germans now feel shame over the holocaust and are big supporters of Israel. Will Israelis feel shame over the Gaza genocide and support a Palestinian homeland?
In your haste to contradict me
Actually the reverse is true, I repeatedly re-read what you wrote and kept deciding that it wasn't worth pursuing but then I eventually decided that it probably was because the supposition was that the Israelis are "psychopathic lunatics".
Your "hypothetical situation" supposes that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics. Reality states that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics, and to suggest otherwise is not only false but also dangerous. I agree that I probably made my point badly though.
It is zionism and Israeli apartheid that should be hated and vilified, not the Israeli people. Yes they are the product of a deeply evil and racist system imo but it is the system and the culture that is at fault, they were not born psychopathic lunatics.
Israelis themselves are the product of trauma. I will post a short video by the world's most famous trauma expert, Gabor Mate, in which he explains it better than I ever could.
Gabor Mate is a holocaust survivor whose grandparents were murdered in Auschwitz and who once considered himself a zionist.
Actually the reverse is true, I repeatedly re-read what you wrote and kept deciding that it wasn’t worth pursuing but then I eventually decided that it probably was because the supposition was that the Israelis are “psychopathic lunatics”.
There was no such supposition, as anyone could see from my original post, and as clarified above.
Your “hypothetical situation” supposes that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics.
Now you seem to agree that my supposition was that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics. Must be hard to be you.
Reality states that Israelis are not psychopathic lunatics, and to suggest otherwise is not only false but also dangerous.
Some elements in a hypothetical situation will reflect reality; others will not. The purpose of my post was to consider a circumstance in which the Gaza holocaust might be considered "worth it". Or not.
Joe Biden certainly used to be a much better speaker than he is today. And he understood the meaning of the word genocide much better too.
It's like that joke about "Waldheimer's disease - when you get old and forget you were a Nazi"
You're doing an injustice to psychopathic lunatics, they're certainly not all genocidal fascists. To medicalize a political act is to absolve responsibility.
What, I ask, about the Palestinians who already live in Gaza? What should happen to them? She doesn't miss a beat.
"We should kill them, every last one of them. And if the government won't do that then we should just kick them out. This is our land. And we deserve it."
This is straightforward ethnic cleansing.
If any other country was doing this British politicians would be queuing up to publicly denounce it.
The big question is this:
When is Israel going to invade Bradford because there are Muslims there?
And will the UK get really, really cross this time?
Have they been firing missiles and if so, can they spare any to chuck at Russia?
When is Israel going to invade Bradford because there are Muslims there?
I’m surprised my car hasn’t been struck as a legitimate target by the IDF as it has two cd sized stickers on the rear window that say, “stop the genocide, end apartheid, free Palestine” with the Palestinian colours.
They’re happy enough to strike everything that moves, they don’t even attempt to hide their murderous intent anymore
Due to an unfortunate accident I spent last Sunday night in the A&E department of my local hospital. I had to sit in pain on an uncomfortable seat for a torturous 4 hours before I was finally seen by an A&E doctor at 3am.
The reoccurring thought I had throughout that time was how horrific it would be if the hospital was hit by an American supplied Israeli missile and the carnage that would cause. It made me think how terrifying it must for Palestinian medical staff, and hospital patients already in great physical and emotional pain, to have this constant threat hanging over them.
I have never previously felt that I should be grateful to feel safe and secure in a hospital. It seems such a natural right. And yet Western governments sit back and do nothing whilst a Western colonist regime denies that very right to millions.
It is ironic that whether Britain should apologise for its behaviour during its colonial era is currently a topic of discussion whilst Britain is actively supporting a colonial-settler regime which is ethically cleansing indigenous people off their lands.
I guess in a hundred years time that might be discussions concerning whether an apology for that is necessary.
I’m surprised my car hasn’t been struck as a legitimate target by the IDF as it has two cd sized stickers on the rear window that say, “stop the genocide, end apartheid, free Palestine” with the Palestinian colours.
Don't worry, though.
If the IDF did target your car in the UK, I'm sure the government would send a very strongly worded letter to let them know they're jolly cross about it.
But on a less satirical note, this (from somafunk a week ago):
Netanyahu has had the U.S bent over the table for the entirety of Biden’s presidency and is currently buried up to the hilt whilst spanking the shit out of him, it’s a * joke of Biden’s so called diplomacy on Israel and its genocidal intent, it was clear within the first few weeks what Netanyahu and his goon squad were intending to do with Gaza and the West Bank, now its carried over into Lebanon, Syria, Iran.
Our useless * in government are merely patsy’s of the American administration
Cut them loose, close the door behind us and let them get on with it – the closest we’ve came to a peace agreement and two state solution was scuppered by the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin back in 1995 by a zionist extremist.
There’s no chance of a two state solution for at least a generation
Pretty much sums up my thoughts. I struggle to believe the US and UK governments are still going through the charade of faux condemnation followed by acceptance and doing bugger all with the caveat of "as long as you don't go to position n+1" which the Israelis totally ignore and restart the cycle.
We're on about n+15 of positions that were supposedly 'going too far' and, basically, no one has tried to reign Israel in in any meaningful way.
We might as well let them do what the hell they want without comment. I hope the US and UK are braced for a likely terrorist backlash at some point, though.
Plus bring cases to the International Court like South Africa are trying to do.
If the US/UK did something like that, it would definitely register. 'Our' response so far is pathetic. It is also a clear signal to the likes of Iran that, to be a real player, you need a nuke.
In any case now - Israel will only stop when they think they've killed enough Muslims. That is it.
If the US/UK did something like that, it would definitely register.
Are we still providing direct military support to defend Israel from Iran?
I think you will find that the IDF has been killing Muslims for a lot longer than the last 12 months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Palestinian_territories
And they don't need the excuse of dismantling Hamas to kill innocent Palestinians.
Shocking spike in use of unlawful lethal force by Israeli forces against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank
"With the world’s eyes fixed on Gaza, Israeli forces have over the past four months unleashed a brutal wave of violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank"
Or dismantled the terrorist machinery that led to the 7th October attack.
I'm pretty sure Gaza is dismantled now. Southern Lebanon to follow.
What constitutes 'terrorist machinery' now in any case? A school that has pupils who might go on to be terrorists? A hospital that houses people who might be angered enough by life-changing injuries to pick up a suicide vest?
And what about the hundreds of thousands of new recruits that Israeli actions have created? Kill them all?
Kill them all?
Err yes, haven't you been paying attention?
Meanwhile that useless heap of dung David Lammy has been avoiding anything that looks like action, while agreeing that calling a genocide a "genocide' undermines the special place that the Holocaust must have in all our thoughts.
I hope at least this brings an end to the claims that genocide is just the policy of some right wing extremists and not representative of Israeli politics in the round
I honestly don't know what Israel has to do to get expelled from the United Nations. It carry out missile strikes against UN schools, it uses tanks to attack UN peacekeepers, and it expels the UN from territories that it illegally occupies.
And yet it remains a full member of the United Nations. Whilst Palestine is still denied full membership.
So UNRA is banned from Gaza? With winter near, disease, famine and fighting still ongoing. Utterly incredible.
'The international order is breaking down in Gaza’: UN experts mark one year of genocidal attacks on Palestinians
This is why Israel hates the UN :
"One year later, the promise by Israeli leaders to destroy Gaza has been fulfilled. The Strip is now a wasteland of rubble and human remains, where survivors – men and women, children and the elderly – struggle to hold on to life amid deprivation and disease. Israeli bombs have spared no one – not journalists, students, scholars, doctors, nurses, babies, pregnant women, persons with disabilities, civil servants, people seeking food and safety or humanitarian workers, including UN staff. Entire families have been exterminated and generations erased, with millions of lives torn apart."
They tell the truth.
Following the passing of the first law, Boaz Bismuth, a member of Likud, the architect of the bill, said: “Anyone that behaves like a terrorist has no rights in Israel…. UNRWA equals Hamas, period.”
Taken from CNN reporting here , they’re not even attempting to hide it anymore, they’ve been let off the leash by the U.S. for the past year and are now a rogue state with no accountability to anyone
I just read this, posted by a friend:
May God have mercy on the handsome and polite young martyr Ibrahim, the son of my best friend Dr. Husam Abu Safia, who was murdered by the Israeli army yesterday, breaking his Dad’s heart for the rest of his life. What was the crime committed by Dr. Hussam or his son to having to go through this unprecedented level of brutality?
Dr. Husam is the Director of Kamal Edwan Children’s Hospital in North Gaza that serves over half a million Palestinians, which I personally helped renovate its ER last year, right before the start of the war.
His crime was standing his ground trying to protect the the injured children in the ICU and the premature babies in incubators. Sadly, Dr. Husam could neither save his son Ibrahim nor the premature babies in the incubators. The Israeli army killed his son and destroyed the oxygen tanks of the hospital killing all the babies in their incubators as well as those in the ICU.
I suddenly feel very privileged that I'm on here posting bollocks about the budget as if it's in any way important.
'Waiting to die’: Layla Moran raises plight of NHS surgeon who fears for parents in Gaza
Mohammad also had a message for the government: “I’ve given 20 years of my life to the NHS saving the British public’s lives, which I’m grateful for. Don’t use my tax money to support, in any shape or form, a genocidal government that is killing my own people.”
I just read this, posted by a friend:
Hind Hassan posted about that on Twitter a few days ago, Dr Hassam previously attempted to speak from the the hospital gates to the IDF laying seige but was driven back inside under gunfire, the murder of his 8yr old son by the IDF was to show Dr Hassam that his family are considered a legitimate target - he buried his son in the hospital courtyard
The IDF deserve what's coming to them in The Hague
I have just read about the Palestinian medic who was sent to pick up the body of someone who had been killed in an Israeli airstrike, it wasn't until he got back to the hospital and pulled the sheet back that he discovered it was his own mother.
Gaza really is Hell on Earth.
As someone said on the “woke freezer” thread
There must surely, surely come a point where you think to yourself, “what the actual **** am I doing?”