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Having just checked, 'Report' isn't working for me either. I don't have buttons, but 'Report' did work a day or two ago, so it's clearly something which has broken rather than part of the 'no buttons' bug. Though it sounds like you know why?

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And Gofar is the registered company behind Singletrack.

Ah, I didn't think that one through far enough - was going to suggest it was the certificate owner when the question first arose, but checking the certificate it's issued to singletrackworld.com - a whois search comes up with the information shown in the browser bar (presumably browsers do some sort of automatic whois search).


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 1:31 am
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I’m not being shirty, honest.  I’m more that capable of being so (and usually apologise for it afterwards), but not just now.  Irreverent and sarcastic perhaps, but that’s just me I’m afraid.  Sorry if it came across badly.

I know, it was tongue was in cheek but would like to understand why you think what I posted wasn't an advert. Is it an internal advert thing? As I intimated, I begrudgingly admire the owners if they've found a way around it.

FWIW, I think the look of the site is very tidy & modern -  the click-bait editorials make sense now 🙂 I'd really like to know what the plan is for fixing the historic threads where the OP is half a dozen posts down the thread, of which there appears to be many, because that just feels a bit wrong.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 1:41 am
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 Though it sounds like you know why?

I don't, I worded that badly.  What I meant was, I can replicate the problem.

would like to understand why you think what I posted wasn’t an advert. Is it an internal advert thing? As I intimated, I begrudgingly admire the owners if they’ve found a way around it.

STW hasn't magically circumvented ad blockers and assorted other subversions.  The sidebar carries links to STW's own content (just like pretty much every other website).

I’d really like to know what the plan is for fixing the historic threads

There's something knackered there I know.  It's on the list.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 1:48 am
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As a random example, here's what an article on the BBC's news site looks like.  Y'know, the BBC, who take pride in not using advertising.


 
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Here's the Independent,


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 2:08 am
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"Chippendales not objectified like women" 😲


 
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[b]bearnecessities[/b] wrote:

I’d really like to know what the plan is for fixing the historic threads where the OP is half a dozen posts down the thread, of which there appears to be many, because that just feels a bit wrong.

I'm sure there will be a fix for that, as it's just a problem with extracting things from the DB - though amusingly I do know how to break it https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/if-youre-not-watching-the-tennis/ 😆


 
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What am I missing, how is that broken?


 
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Here's a clue 😉

https://singletrackworld.com/members/bearnecessities/forums/

Though I'm fairly sure that's not the issue happening on other threads, it's probably related as that's a database linking "feature".


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 2:30 am
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As we're sorting stuff out, can we have it so clicking a link opens a new tab?


 
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Yeah?....and?....... I (we the P’s) don’t pay for the bbc website nor the independent so I’d expect there to be sidebars highlighting other created content, as an argumentative aside I’m also a member of two VW forums and two hydroponics forums of which I pay a minimal monthly fee (far less than a singletrack subscription) so that I view only the forum itself, not irritating sidebars with a text that stands out more than the forum itself nor floating graphics that follow you as you scroll down the page.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 2:37 am
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STW hasn’t magically circumvented ad blockers and assorted other subversions. The sidebar carries links to STW’s own content (just like pretty much every other website).

The top right box was deffo an advert; blazing saddles or something similar.

Also, aracer, piss about with your own profile!


 
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[b]bearnecessities[/b] wrote:

Also, aracer, piss about with your own profile!

Sorry 😳 - though I didn't do anything to your profile (and I've reverted the change I did make, so the above will no longer make any sense at all).


 
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As we’re sorting stuff out, can we have it so clicking a link opens a new tab?

Just shift click a link.


 
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yeah but Cougar you aren't paying for the BBC website with a mag subscription or a magic letter P that is supposed to get rid of all the adverts

maybe STW will bring a tiered subscription - you know like Platinum P and then all that stealth advert shite on the right will be gone but if you only have Gold P then tough


 
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please sort out the stupidly pale text on the main forum page and quoted text, some of us haven't got the best eyesight.


 
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How hard would it be to have a quote button next to edit/reply etc?

It’s such a pain in the wotsit having to copy and paste on mobile.

If they can launch a Tesla into space, surely this is doable?


 
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I like the colours and the fonts now (on iPhone) I must say, but it looked dismal on my shit work PC screen yesterday. You also can’t see the ridiculous Facebook shit unless I scroll all the way down, so that’s an improvement.

Cougar if I were Mark/the powers that be I’d want you to step away from this thread. You’re being aggressive, and flatly dismissing anything pointed out (even if people are frustrated and being a little short in their tone), yet you say you’re a disinterested party. It certainly doesn’t come across like that.


 
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Heavier font please. As a forum of 40-50 something IT managers, with associated failing eyesight issues, it’s a little hard on the eye on iPad and pc. Phone looks fine and scales nicely. Even on blackberry browser this time.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 9:37 am
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it looked dismal on my shit work PC screen yesterday

It looks bloody dismal on my decent PC screen. The [size=30]FONT IS TOO BIG[/size].

Nobody reads anything in some gothic 27pt font! Look, I'll post something long to display how stupidly unreadable it is.

(On a PC Screen)

The CPR training was a huge eye opener for me. It’s nothing like the movies, it’s physically challenging, exhausting, takes your full concentration and there’s more to it than the chest compressions and rescue breaths. The thought of having to perform CPR whilst dealing with other injuries or being out in the elements is quite terrifying and although I hope the occasion ever arises for me, I’m grateful to be more prepared for it. How quickly your body temperature drops was also a shock. We did this training in winter and were wearing more than we would have on a ride, yet a couple of minutes of inactivity left us unbearably cold. I will never be heading out for a ride without having an extra layer in my pack, and for the longer rides I will be purchasing one of the shelters we used during the course. I was interested to learn the reaction you could get from a diabetic low on blood sugar. I personally have snapped at people, got very grumpy and become stubborn during rides when I haven’t prepared properly, but I thought it was just a bad trait and not related to my insulin resistance/pre-diabetes! Knowing how to read that reaction could be the difference between helping someone and leaving them to fend for themselves, thinking they just have a bad temper


 
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Should I be seeing any formatting buttons (bold, italic, underline, strikethough, insert image, etc) for posts?? - 'cos I've not seen any since the first 'update'.
Chrome on Windows 7 Pro.


 
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What's curious about the Faecesbook crap in the sidebar is that on my home computer using Chrome I don't see it but on my work machine also using Chrome I do. Both browsers are set up identically, same add-ons and settings in those. I've also got the sync feature enabled so most things are the same anyway.

Looking at the code it appears to be a Wordpress widget so not sure why it's blocked at home.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 9:51 am
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Adblock doesn’t block things that aren’t adverts.  Funny, that.

Hey, may be [i]shirty[/i], but also wrong. Adblock has a slider bar which enables you to block most types of screen elements. I use it at home to block the shitty forum page. Shame I'm not allowed to install at work.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 9:52 am
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Likewise, I'm still not seeing any buttons for formatting replies and adding URLs, images etc. As I do this for a living I can sort them myself but not everyone can...


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 10:00 am
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To add images, just copy and paste the .url into this box and then  submit.

Et voyla, Rodders.


 
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Hey, may be <em class="bbcode-em">shirty, but also wrong. Adblock has a slider bar which enables you to block most types of screen elements.

Indeed. Sadly, in this case, you can block the facebook puffery and the poll, but if you try to block the 'watch us' it sends the video to the next available element, which happens to be the forum reply box.


 
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It looks bloody dismal on my decent PC screen. The <span class="bbcode-size">FONT IS TOO BIG</span>.

Nobody reads anything in some gothic 27pt font! Look, I’ll post something long to display how stupidly unreadable it is.

(On a PC Screen)

Mmm, yeah, still doesn't look great on a PC screen. Ironically the text in the "reply to" box (ie this as I write) is nicer than the text on the main forum.


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.

Not if you don't have editor controls 😀


 
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It's absolutely rotten o read on a PC, looks OK on a phone mind.

Has anyone tested anything, this 'improvment' strategy looks like a case of chuck stuff at the wall and see what sticks.


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.

Ok let me try that.

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Ok let me try that again.


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.

Ð


 
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😒


 
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😒

😒

😒

😒


 
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To add some balance, It looks and works well for me now.  Quotes look a bit washed out on my shitty old laptop screen but otherwise it looks and feels good.  I've been using it on an iPhone and laptop and have the edit buttons, pic/quote insert on both.

I bet Mark feels the need for a holiday after this!


 
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@jimjam - great if you wish to write in Icelandic! 🙂


 
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The Facebook thing is a lot smaller for me now on desktop and I've no objection to the poll being displayed on the forum screen.

Text still harder to read than previously though.

I'm having to use my specs where I didn't before.

And keep on keeping on Cougar, Drac and all the other mods.

Your contributions are much appreciated.


 
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I've tried to keep away from this thread for a while, until things settled down.

IMO, the mobile site looks nice, as does the page loading on my PC. I haven't been fiddling with any of the buttons too much, as they seem to be a bit quirky & give unexpected results.

My comments are to do with the font. I don't know why, but it's really hard to read - I think it's too wide. It's actually making my eyes hurt reading it and sentences are taking a lot longer to read.


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.

Ð

Hmm, let me try on Mac.

Î

Nailed it.


 
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Looking more closely at the font, it's very open with little variation in stroke width so appears lighter than it possibly really is. The lack of variation in stroke width is possibly what's making it hard to read for some people. It's also a Sans-Serif font which just compounds the problem in copy text.


 
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Yeah, the font (on a laptop) is like trying to read a SHIT GUMTREE AD FOR AN MX BIKE, ALL IN CAPS-

FIRTST TOO SEA WILL BYE

NOT 4 FAINT HARTED

WHEELYS 4 FUN

It's like being shouted at 🙁


 
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could do with a dropdown on Forums to flick between chat and bike


 
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I expect they've probably got the message by now about the font … very pretty … great for headlines etc … but not really a body font. I don't think we need pages and pages of people saying the same thing.


 
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I expect they’ve probably got the message by now about the font … very pretty … great for headlines etc … but not really a body font. I don’t think we need pages and pages of people saying the same thing.

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Sorry, but I wasn't about to read through 56 pages of posts, just to see if it had already been mentioned.

And if everyone who finds it an issue actually mentions it, then it will give some indication of whether it is a general problem, or one person being a bit grumbly. If one person complains about it and then no one else does (because they can see someone mentioned it 54 pages ago) it will probably look like it's just that one person with the issue.

Anyway - let's see if the quote worked?


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.

Ð

Hmm, let me try on Mac.

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Nailed it.

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EDIT: RUNS LIKE A DREAM NOW!


 
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As we’re sorting stuff out, can we have it so clicking a link opens a new tab?

Just shift click a link.

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That opens in a new window, it's control+click for a new tab but it would be nice if STW behaved in the same manner as every other website and forum that I use.

I normally use my laptop one handed 😉 and often forget to right click and open in a new tab which inevitably leads to me accidentally closing the tab which STW was on, and even if I remember then you still have to reload the page via the back button.

It's the most minor of complaints but it is the shittest way of doing things.


 
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Sorry, but I wasn’t about to read through 56 pages of posts, just to see if it had already been mentioned.

And if everyone who finds it an issue actually mentions it, then it will give some indication of whether it is a general problem, or one person being a bit grumbly. If one person complains about it and then no one else does (because they can see someone mentioned it 54 pages ago) it will probably look like it’s just that one person with the issue.

Anyway – let’s see if the quote worked?

Don't include the username and membership status when selecting text to quote. (Says he, hoping that this works as it did before)


 
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Text colour has been improved which makes things a lot better. I'm not a UI expert, but I guess a Serif font might also make things more readable? (personally I'm finding this fine now I think, but I have good eyesight and I'm on desktop - I suppose I should try on mobile, but I'm feeling somewhat reliant on the extras I have available on Chrome desktop!)

[i]Jamie wrote:[/i]

How hard would it be to have a quote button next to edit/reply etc?

Well I have a quote button, so it's clearly not all that hard to add the required elements (though is the bolded user name irritating as I think I've seen suggested - I'll drop that if so?). No sidebar here and fullish width text too. None of these things are terribly difficult to do, and nor would it take a huge amount of time to test them in the multiple test environments...

edit: actually I reckon the bolding is irritating myself with the current forum look - removed and I'll drop it


 
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If you’re on a desktop, there’s a keyboard shortcut for it: Shift-Alt-D.
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Hmm, let me try on Mac.
Î
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Nailed it.
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̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉̉
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EDIT: RUNS LIKE A DREAM NOW!

Wow, that's truly impressive - how on earth do you do that?

😆 at how italics make it even better!


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 12:10 pm
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Would be good if they could just pick a text size and go with it. Have to zoom in to reply then zoom out again.

Related image


 
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I hope I'm not going crazy here but back in the wild old days of the internet, before every thread was about Trump and Brexit, I seem to remember forum software was a thing. I'm not making that up am I? People used to buy forum software? IIRC there was even some free forum software out there in the ether that you could just "download" into your "computer" and bam = forum, as opposed to growing some misshapen and malformed forum larvae and constantly feeding it in the hope that it'll eventually evolve into something with a quote button.

I'm not any expert of internets and perhaps I'm just showing my naïveté. Perhaps these off the shelf solutions don't support the right type of animated pop up gif?


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 12:25 pm
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Perhaps these off the shelf solutions don’t support the right type of animated pop up gif?

I called that weeks ago.

It was interesting to see problems occurring live as things such as inserting adverts into people's posts caused various unforeseen issues.


 
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I called that weeks ago.

It was interesting to see problems occurring live as things such as inserting adverts into people’s posts caused various unforeseen issues.

But were they adverts for advertising products or were they adverts advertising posts on Facebook advertising the fact that sexy and exciting threads you're contributing to on STW are being used as adverts to lure non STW folk to join STW and hopefully sign up to pay for the privilege of contributing to the adverts which lured them here in the first place?


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 12:38 pm
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I don’t think we need pages and pages of people saying the same thing.

Well, it don't look like they've got the bleedin message yet, does it?!  >:(


 
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Ah, good. I wondered where the gif thread had gone


 
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There are a lot of teething problems, but I do think things are slowly getting better (having initially been made a lot worse).

One thing that does get my goat, however, is the assertion that "This can only mean something good is coming" when the site is taken down. I know this is just a holding pattern, but it is corporate-speak BS - something that I am not alone in getting wound up by.

On the other hand, "This can only mean that a change is on the way and this change will initially be total rubbish, but after enough people have complained it will get better in increments" is a bit wordy.

I'm sure some of STW finest could make it more concise and punchy........


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 1:41 pm
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Pushing the envelope there Danny.

Af those who think they’re hilarious to clutter the thread with cheap shots and silly gifs please stop. All your doing is burying any genuine posts or bug reports. Cheers.


 
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On the other hand, “This can only mean that a change is on the way and this change will initially be total rubbish, but after enough people have complained it will get better in increments” is a bit wordy. I’m sure some of STW finest could make it more concise and punchy……..

Suck it up, snowflakes?


 
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On my iPad/iphone in portrait view, then all i see is the posts, which is great.

When I tap on a menu/page/number/topic title, then there is no screen acknowledgement of my 'click' ( i.e. a box/colour change as per pother fora)  so i can't tell if its been picked up until the page loads


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 1:54 pm
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At those who think they’re hilarious to clutter the thread with cheap shots and silly gifs please stop.

My ironyometer just spaffed itself all over the carpet, and would have covered my shoe but fortunately it is on the other foot. 😀

Had an interesting one a minute ago where page 57 link was taking you to the reply box, but that was probably just due to posts being deleted.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 2:00 pm
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Had an interesting one a minute ago where page 57 link was taking you to the reply box, but that was probably just due to posts being deleted.

Cheers I’ll add that to the list


 
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Ok I'm back. Still frustrating as I used to love browsing on here at lunch.

UI "sans serif must be easier to read" comment... . That's exactly the opposite of the truth. Serif majoritively is easier to read.

Elena for example is a good modern choice for text heavy applications:
https://typekit.com/fonts/elena

Smashing Magazine use this well on their blog articles.

Also the same person that choose the typeface probably also had some strong incorrect opinions on line-height which is why some are complaining on being dizzy!

GTMetrix simple scan shows the worst loading site I've seen this side of 2006.
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/singletrackworld.com/jh8o5N7i

13.3 seconds
8.8mb
615 requests! (WHAT)?
This page has 102 external Javascript scripts.
This page has 24 external stylesheets.

Page speed score 27% (quite generous considering).

There is no way this can sit on top of anything "good to come".

Gutted.


 
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Elena for example is a good modern choice for text heavy applications:
https://typekit.com/fonts/elena
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Is there a standard font which is similar to that I could try? I'm not a web/UI designer (though I'm trying to acquire a bit of knowledge about that for professional reasons) but I can hack webpages in my spare time and currently viewing the STW forum in Helvetica (clearly that's also Sans, but it seems preferable to Montserrat). I tried Elena and thought it looked a bit rubbish until I realised it's just defaulting back to Times New Roman (or something like that) as clearly it's not finding the font and it needs adding in (I could add a font, but not paying for the privilege!)

Oh and in case anybody else is interested and has alternative ways of injecting code into webpages:

[code]
body {
font-family: Helvetica !important;
}
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Drac

Af those who think they’re hilarious to clutter the thread with cheap shots and silly gifs please stop. All your doing is burying any genuine posts or bug reports. Cheers.

Not so long ago you were arguing the exact opposite thing against me. I  suggested thread rules in an original post and a forum culture of staying on topic. Your reply was

[b]Jimjam that sounds a terrible idea. A forum is a conversation so it can and should be allowed to drift away. It’s not a official meeting where we need a chair to step in if someone moves away from the subject.[/b]

I've just checked and there's no mention of staying on topic or "rules" that need adhered to. It's safe to assume that the thread is descending into banter because it's one of the few threads that's getting any turnover and the thread about thread turnover was closed. Ironing.


 
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Depends on the system you are on aracer - but any typeface installed on your local machine is accessible for you to see in your browser. You only really want to use a web friendly font though (not all are).

If you're on OSx try "Palatino" don't forget a healthy line height 1.8 at 16px font size should do.
You'll also find adding to their margins on their topic and reply p's helpful. Go margin: 30px 0;


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:14 pm
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I think Cougar and Drac have got a bit muddled up, and they are both playing bad cop.


 
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If you are on Chrome you can open the developer tools, then click on the "Elements" tab which will show you the page markup in a hierarchical format. On the right of that is the styles box. One of the first elements listed is "html, body". You can change the font here by clicking on the font name and putting in another valid font name. Obviously you need to know what fonts are called*. The changes are live and the page updates immediately so you can see what several fonts look like very quickly.

*"Times New Roman", "Arial", "Helvetica", "Garamond" might be a good set to try.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:19 pm
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In case you font whingers haven't seen the "Ooh looks pretty" thread, you may be interested to know the official line on this new thread:

<Mark
... we are aware of fonts.</span></div>

This one is the one we have chosen. We like it.

and

the font size is right at 16pt text. Any less and Google penalises a site’s SEO rankings

Nice. Well, my sub is up in March, we'll see if that's renewed.

And quoting is still ****ed.


 
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[i]alexxx wrote:[/i]

Depends on the system you are on aracer – but any typeface installed on your local machine is accessible for you to see in your browser. You only really want to use a web friendly font though (not all are).

I'm on Windows - would like to try a Webfont as that's what the STW standard Montserrat is (Lora looks OK as my first thought), but that's not simple enough to do as a side job so will have a try this evening when I'm not supposed to be doing paid work.


 
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the font size is right at 16pt text. Any less and Google penalises a site’s SEO rankings

Hmmmmm.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:32 pm
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Not so long ago you were arguing the exact opposite thing against me. I suggested thread rules in an original post and a forum culture of staying on topic. Your reply was

I was?

And quoting is still ****.

Don’t copy in the username just the text.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:34 pm
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Found this:

If you ever wondered if Google looks down upon websites that use questionable font choices, such as if a website decides to use Comic Sans, the question came up in the latest Google Webmaster Office Hours. More specifically, whether Google takes font choices into account when judging quality, such as whether hand written dont type would lead Google to treat the content as not as serious as similar pieces of content in other font types.
“No, as far as I know, we don’t do that at all. So if we can crawl the page and see the content,    then that works perfectly fine for us.
The only situation where I could think of this being a bit tricky is if you are using images instead of text on a page, then obviously us doing OCR over the images is hard on its own, and as far as I know we don’t do that at the moment. On the other hand, if we have to do OCR over handwritten images, then that essentially makes it impossible for us to find out anything.
So if you are using normal text and are just swapping out a fancy font because that is kind of your corporate style, or you just feel like using a fun handwritten style font, then that’s totally up to you. That’s not something that we would demote a website for or assume it’s to be taken less seriously.
So feel free to use Comic Sans if you want, feel free to use kind of a more corporate type font if you prefer, that’s totally up to you.”
That said, [size=25]font choice can certainly impact user experience[/size]


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:37 pm
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You don't like our font.

Noted.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:41 pm
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Oh and in case anybody else is interested and has alternative ways of injecting code into webpages:

<code class="bbcode-code">
body {
font-family: Helvetica !important;
}

Ooo, that is interesting. Had used that to hack about with webpage content for funsies, but never actually edited the page elements.

Still 9 seconds for the page to load from clicking - I genuinely don't want to keep labouring the point, but the suggestion was there was a temporary slow down due to poorly gerbils or something, but it's been about a couple of weeks now. Is this just how it is?


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:47 pm
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Still 9 seconds for the page to load from clicking – I genuinely don’t want to keep labouring the point, but the suggestion was there was a temporary slow down due to poorly gerbils or something, but it’s been about a couple of weeks now. Is this just how it is?

Well, only 1 second more than the global average isn't that bad* 😉

*Washington post is 22 seconds

No, it's not how it is. But migrating servers takes some time.


 
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"jimjam

Not so long ago you were arguing the exact opposite thing against me. I suggested thread rules in an original post and a forum culture of staying on topic. Your reply was <snip>"

This isn't a discussion thread or conversation, it's being used to improve and fix the forum and user experience, it's obviously not the same. By all means go and derail the EU thread though but this one has a job to do.


 
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As pointed out, if on Chrome then you can just Ctrl-Shift-I and change the font in the Styles on the right (though if you're on Chrome you can run my extension - font selection will [b]definitely[/b] be in the next release! I'm currently running Georgia here, I think that's my favourite so far - does anybody know what the font was before?)

Speed seems fine for me now - that's an issue where they've given reasonable explanations of the reasons for the problems (I'm hoping Mark is noting that I'm not inherently negative about everything - some things are an inevitable part of migrations and to be expected as temporary problems).


 
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[i]Northwind wrote:[/i]

By all means go and derail the EU thread though but this one has a job to do.

Sorry, I'm just doing exactly what you told us not to do, but I'm curious exactly how you would tell when the EU thread had been derailed? 😆


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 3:58 pm
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Not sure where your stats are from Mark but you'd wish you were as fast as the Washington Post today... a breezy 5 seconds!

https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.washingtonpost.com/zeuy1KXj
55 JS files and 4 style files and a 1/3 less requests... and thats being kind as their home page is busy.

Typeface for SEO is a nuts argument.
Any site being over 2 seconds load time blows any sensible SEO argument on elements out of the water.

Google want usability to be key. Time to browse is a monumental marker of a sites ability to provide use to its user base.


 
Posted : 20/02/2018 4:04 pm
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Any site being over 2 seconds load time blows any sensible SEO argument on elements out of the water.

They’re moving servers so there will be issues, hopefully when done the new server will help eliminate these issues and it’ll be less than 2 seconds.


 
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