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Are you going to come up with excuses or are you going to test it out? Just do it! Continue for 3 months then report back.
What excuse? I asked you question and you tell me put a nail in a bit of wood. 😕
Laugh you may but property developers love Feng Shui as they can sell apartments facing the Thames for much more money to believers than they can to normal punters like me and I love a view over water.
If we apply FS commonsense then they have started badly. The first encounter is negative yet that might just be a normal minor drawback or can lead to something negative in future only time will tell. The result greatly depends on the buyer i.e. property owner. If s/he can handle the negatives then his/her family will be fine otherwise plenty of headaches.binners - Member
Would they not find that a bit odd? That the bloke who swore at them suddenly turned up out of the blue to enquire about their spritual wellbeing?
Drac - Moderator
Are you going to come up with excuses or are you going to test it out? Just do it! Continue for 3 months then report back.What excuse? I asked you question and you tell me put a nail in a bit of wood.
No, no ... let's start again. Not nail in the bit of wood. Use a hammer and put a nail into the earth/ground or use a plank and hammer it into the earth/ground.
Nail to the ground or plank to the ground then leave it for 3 months. You don;t have to do it continuously everyday for 3 months ... that just my poor explanation. 😛
Generally, if you feel better and become much happy by comparison to your previous location (house in the above case) then that is good enough which means they have improved.
Maybe they just feel better 'cos they moved to a nicer house/neighbourhood. Maybe they changed job, diet, got out on their bikes more.
Yes, that is a possibility but it all depends on the timing.slowoldman - Member
Maybe they just feel better 'cos they moved to a nicer house/neighbourhood. Maybe they changed job, diet, got out on their bikes more.
It may also be something to do with magic rainbow unicorns. Never underestimate their influence on the cosmos.
Could be right. Lots of unicorns in Chorlton.
I've heard they also put in Lion deterrent into the walls. Must work as no one has been attached by a lion on the banks of the Thames.
C'mon you old boys (ya, we are not young) give it a try then see what happen.
Cost you nothing other than perhaps the outcome or result of the experiments.
What exactly is supposed to happen?
Sorry fella. There is absolutely no way on earth that my OCD will allow me to place a desk, of anything else for that matter, at anything other than an exact 90 degree angle or perpendicular to the surrounding walls.
And anything that asks me to commit such heresy is inheretently evil, and not to be trusted
If I know the exact outcome then they will be no need for experiment innit.Drac - Moderator
What exactly is supposed to happen?
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:
1. Health
2. Finance
3. Career
binners - MemberSorry fella. There is absolutely no way on earth that my OCD will allow me to place a desk, of anything else for that matter, at anything other than an exact 90 degree angle or perpendicular to the surrounding walls.
If you have a garden then try the above suggestion for the garden.
If you are in your flat/house try doing something to that part of your flat/house like decoration etc as suggested or whatever your OCD permits.
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:1. Health
2. Finance
3. Career
Good or bad? Will the opposite happen if I decided not hammer nails into the soil?
Drac - Moderator
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:
1. Health
2. Finance
3. CareerGood or bad? Will the opposite happen if I decided not hammer nails into the soil?
Nails not compulsory in case you nail straight into main power cable in that case you might be BBQ instantly.
You can simply hammer a plank of wood into that location or in that direction. Try do it at the corner of your garden where nobody goes. Or you can dig a hole and then plan something there ... or simply take a spade to turn the earth around that area. Do this several times in this year.
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.
If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
If you try the experiment there might be possibility you [u]might[/u] see "something" ...
Have just purchased one of those lucky waving chinese cat thingys,not sure if its in the correct FS position though.Does make me chuckle though,like a placky feline Hitler
Actually, those waving cats should not be put in the house. They are only for use in businesses. Bad luck to have them in the house
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.
Well I'm sold.
Have your working desk sit facing the following angle between 232.5 – 247.5 degrees
I can just imagine a work appraisal now;
"you've missed your delivery deadline and the network you designed has gone pear shaped"
"Sorry boss, not really my fault. My desk is facing 173' so the feng shui is all wrong which led to the delay and network failing"
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.
Now when you put it like that it's a win win for the snake oil salesman, complete with disclaimer and no actual promise.
Drac - Moderator
So I try it something good or bad might happen, if I don't something good or bad might happen.Well I'm sold.
Well, I don't want to bias the result hence I rather give you a neutral answer now.
Once you have done that you will find plenty of evidence regarding that direction then we can all chinwag about the results. Try it.
Ya, they are cute but I am not sure of the effectiveness.sparkyrhino - Member
Have just purchased one of those lucky waving chinese cat thingys,not sure if its in the correct FS position though.Does make me chuckle though,like a placky feline Hitler
Never heard of that before but I am certain no bad luck will come to you even if it is in the house.CharlieMungus - Member
Actually, those waving cats should not be put in the house. They are only for use in businesses. Bad luck to have them in the house
Commonsense says you just made up that story for your own inept. You're fried! Not fired but fried. 😆scruff9252 - Member
"Sorry boss, not really my fault. My desk is facing 173' so the feng shui is all wrong which led to the delay and network failing"
Cats don't work but a nail in the group ground does. What if we bury the cat?
You can buy one of those cute battery powered cat for cuteness if you wish so no harm done. Just a plastic toy.Drac - Moderator
Cats don't work but a nail in the group ground does. What if we bury the cat?
Nail on the ground on the other hand is different.
Yeah it's not as cute.
C'mon you guys, give it a try! What have you got to lose? The placebo effect is well known so some of you suckers will genuinely believe things have improved and chewkw will be made up! Just imagine his deluded little face all glowing.
Don't go anal about the experimental set up yet. It's just a try to see if something happens. It will normally takes 3 months to see things happening but if there is a "9" digit in your age, you might see things happening much faster if I am right or the happening will be much obvious.
The effectiveness or not of FS aside, how can a man-made construct of something as abstract as "numbers" possibly have a bearing on something supernatural unless we got bloody lucky in choosing our number base?
No answers to my other comments, Chewkw?
The idea is to do some changes to that direction. Good or bad depends entirely on you as a person.If you don't do anything to those direction you life will go as normal ... good or bad.
If you try the experiment there might be possibility you might see "something" ...
So you're asserting that if we follow FS principles, something positive or negative may or may not happen to our health or finance or career?
Seriously?
You're either trolling or bonkers. If you genuinely believe what you're saying then you're a posterboy for why it's nonsense.
Yes, give it a try as this is the start of an experiment. No, I am not trying to make a fool out of anyone. In fact it is rather serious to see if something will happen.davosaurusrex - Member
C'mon you guys, give it a try! What have you got to lose?
Actually FS is based on ancient observation of repeated occurrences over thousands of years. i.e. a bit like scientific observation. But in those days obviously they do not have sophisticated software tools so just jot down whatever they observed then tally them up to find the correlation. Yes, their method of inquiry perhaps is not as standardised as what you have nowadays but nevertheless they did something many did not in those early days. i.e. observation.Cougar - Moderator
No answers to my other comments, Chewkw?
As for numbers they are representation of something so not just numbers as we know. For example, number "9" signify a departure from a range of numbers (1-8) so if you think about it you are much older when you are say at 59 year old then you were when you are at 50. Based on the speculation, that number (9) may also be detriment to you as you aged by nearly a decade and if you observe there are many who reach the milestone of say 49 (mid life crisis remember?), 59, 69, 79 etc ... would normally encountered something changing in life. Not all but high probability.
The 69 years of age that I am eager to see now is Hilary Clinton. She is 69 year old and recently suffered some health problems. The question is, is she now at her most vulnerable period of her life? Not careful her health might take a toll on her. That's just my own unscientific speculation so make it whatever you will but let's observe. Her opponents Trump does not flare any better but at least he is 70 year old pass the danger point. Hence, these two political figures are having a closed encountered with each other at their weak and weakest point in life.
No, I don't. Nobody force anyone to believe something they don't want to. However, if someone wants to know I shall try to explain.So you're asserting that if we follow FS principles, something positive or negative may or may not happen to our health or finance or career?
In our culture some of us don't even want to believe which is fine too as nobody forces another person to believe or not not believe.
FS is our part of our culture and belief so to outsiders our thinking can be difficult to comprehend at times.You're either trolling or bonkers. If you genuinely believe what you're saying then you're a posterboy for why it's nonsense.
Right I hammered a nail in to the soil. This broke the lawnmower. Don't give up I thought and dug a hole as instructed. Needed to go to the shed in the dark, badly twisted my ankle when my foot partially penetrated the freshly dug soil. Still, I think, great health and fortune await! I therefore placed a plank of wood in the garden as suggested. This was hit by an errant firework and set on fire. Unfortunately sparks from said fire landed on the shed and fence setting both on fire. At this stage I panicked (as one would) ran outside with a bucket of water, tripped over the broken lawnmower and fell on to a smouldering plank of wood. This resulted in third degree burns and splinters.
Feng Shui can $&@% off!
funkmasterp - Member
Right I hammered a nail in to the soil. This broke the lawnmower. Don't give up I thought and dug a hole as instructed. Needed to go to the shed in the dark, badly twisted my ankle when my foot partially penetrated the freshly dug soil. Still, I think, great health and fortune await! I therefore placed a plank of wood in the garden as suggested. This was hit by an errant firework and set on fire. Unfortunately sparks from said fire landed on the shed and fence setting both on fire. At this stage I panicked (as one would) ran outside with a bucket of water, tripped over the broken lawnmower and fell on to a smouldering plank of wood. This resulted in third degree burns and splinters.Feng Shui can $&@% off!
That is a good funny make up story ... good laugh. 😆
Placing a plank is not part of instruction.
You should be implanting the plank onto the ground.
That is a good funny make up story ... good laugh.
Very Feng Shui.
FS is our part of our culture and belief so to outsiders our thinking can be difficult to comprehend at times.
So we can file it with sky fairies and dragons?
No, I don't. Nobody force anyone to believe something they don't want to. However, if someone wants to know I shall try to explain.
What seems to be getting confused is tradition and well being/improvement. If in order to make your life better you need to hammer nails into the garden, dig holes and orientate your desk then carry on. Just don't expect that people will have the same "improvement" as you as we are non believers or just looking at it rationally.
Taking some of this to it's logical conclusion for a western perspective, most peoples stairs will be the wrong way as historically they should be done so that the man of the castle can swing his sword on them. Windows should be very small as they let all the heat out and at no point should you accept toy horses.
Is that makes you happy why not?mikewsmith - Member
So we can file it with sky fairies and dragons?
I ain't saying whether it is good or bad so you cannot try that on me, I ain't giving anything away until you try it out.If in order to make your life better you need to hammer nails into the garden, dig holes and orientate your desk then carry on.
Window is not that major of a concern but your main door or main entrance is.Windows should be very small as they let all the heat out and at no point should you accept toy horses.
I ain't saying whether it is good or bad so you cannot try that on me, I ain't giving anything away until you try it out.
lets just accept that I'm not going to bother, the same as I don't do religion or horoscopes. I also won't be off to visit the haunted castle or have my fortune told.
However murder rates and mountain ranges I'm in there
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mikewsmith - Member
However murder rates and mountain ranges I'm in there
It's hard to deny the facts
Ya, a while back I tried that sort of arguments with you lot the so called positivists or scientific minded folks that keep banging on about "facts". If you present data that way then yes everything correlates but then who knows there might be some unexplained correlation.
Anyhoo, I ain't going into all this positivist discussion now so let's all just chinwag.
People really do believe some mental stuff.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go carve a demonic face into a large squash to ward off the evil spirits on All Hallow's Eve.
If you present data that way then yes everything correlates but then who knows there might be some unexplained correlation.
and we finally get back to Causation vs Correlation
Yes, what's with this Halloween thingy? Can't be arsed to Google so chinwag you go. 😛GrahamS - Member
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go carve a demonic face into a large squash to ward off the evil spirits on All Hallow's Eve.
I think even in modern sciences (generally speaking not related to FS) the attempt to establish causation is very limited in many fields especially at the early stage of investigation. I mean how many factors do you need to rule before you can provide definite answer to the causation. Even the factors themselves are topics for chinwagging and by the time you reach some sort of understanding many years have passed.mikewsmith - Member
and we finally get back to Causation vs Correlation
Therefore, the need to find genuine causation might be "blue sky thinking whatever that means or fairies" at times, while correlation might at least give you some hope so long as you apply common sense.
Sounds very interesting
Will give it a go
After i'm done waiting for the effect of my powdered rhino horn to kick in...
Apparently the followings will happen, speculatively, in no particular order:
1. Health
2. Finance
3. Career
Admittedly this is pretty distasteful but....
I imagine at least some of the approx. 45 million people killed in the great leap forward were FS practitioners - if this is the case it doesn't appear to impact positively on the above selfish desires.
I think even in modern sciences (generally speaking not related to FS) the attempt to establish causation is very limited in many fields especially at the early stage of investigation. I mean how many factors do you need to rule before you can provide definite answer to the causation.
2 parts.
First is proving that there is no link between your claim and the effect.
Then proving what the cause actually was, I'll let you waste years proving FS causes things to happen. It would be easy to prove it didn't. By simply surveying the loves of people who a) do what you suggest, b) do the exact opposite (angles, holes etc) and c) some random people you should get a good idea.
You also need to ask the questions in a fair way - did something happen is not one of them. There are some nutjob anti windfarm/phone mast people around who very cleverly use suggestion to implant symptoms, if I asked you if you had any problems since it was turned on you could list some random stuff, if I carefully ask you if you have trouble sleeping, get headaches etc. I can "Show" that there is a link (with bad science)
It works for the Chinese(honed over thousands of years).
Much like powdered rhino horn then? Rhinos are being butchered for their horn, which supposedly has magical health benefits, the reality being the animals are being exterminated for powdered keratin, which is what fingernails are made from, thus instead of exterminating a magnificent animal because of some society-wide delusion, you could just collect the nail clippings of millions of people, grind them up and label the stuff as magic rhino horn and make a financial killing.
Much like FS.
I lost a job I'd been doing for over eleven years back in July, then after a couple of weeks I got another job, which I'm much, much happier doing, after the stress which was damaging my health.
And you know what? I didn't change around one item of furniture, dig one hole, bury one piece of wood, or bang any nails into anything.
Yeah, FS [i]really[/i] worked for me! 🙄
I ain't giving anything away until you try it out.
So... we tell you what happened, and then you go "yeah, see! I knew that would happen."
Right.
let's all just chinwag.
Aw, you've leaned a new word.
Just give a try then we can chinwag about whether it is or it is not.mikewsmith - Member
2 parts.
That's medical this is FS. You might try to establish association that such thinkings are alike but they are not.CountZero - Member
Much like FS.
What you have just described about your new job etc is really a stab in the dark innit.
Now go try out my experiments rather than trying to provide excuses.
Nope. Coz the "results" have already been written so impossible for me to change them. The only thing is to see if those results are consistent with those written.Cougar - Moderator
So... we tell you what happened, and then you go "yeah, see! I knew that would happen."Right.
Yes, Chinwag. Very funny way of describing having conversation. I keep imagining my chin wagging if you must know ...Aw, you've leaned a new word.
How on earth do you speculatively attribute such atrocity to FS practitioners? 😆 If FS can do that then I would be very happy as they can help reduce human population.Rob Hilton - Member
Admittedly this is pretty distasteful but....
I imagine at least some of the approx. 45 million people killed in the great leap forward were FS practitioners
Oh ya ... Chairman Mao, a non-believer of anything religion etc, killed nearly double that and he considered himself a man of science. 😮