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So when a dog poos on the pavement outside my house do I use the air rifle on the dog or the idiot holding the lead who doesn't pick up the poo?
What happens if the cat gets hurt, then neighbour finds our you're responsible and comes round and breaks your legs?
Which is quite a bit of luck, just to be looking out when a cat decided to wander in and leave a deposit.
Our neighbours cat once wandered into the garden while I was hanging the washing out and proceeded to do its business on the lawn while my back was turned. ‘Depositing’ is not exactly an uncommon occurrence and you can see the entire garden from the kitchen so the odds aren’t that slim.
lol @ the gardeners trying to preserve their green carpets and non-native flower beds moaning about cats massacring birds
the poster(or a reply) claimed they actually were looking out the window at the time and saw the cat doing it. Which is quite a bit of luck, just to be looking out when a cat decided to wander in and leave a deposit. Personally the only shite in that description came from the poster.
tbh mate I don't think "I watched as a cat shat in my garden" is the most improbable story I've ever read online
Irresponsible animal owners really get my goat.
ohmigod what happened to your goat???!?
lol @ the gardeners trying to preserve their green carpets and non-native flower beds moaning about cats massacring birds
Don't have a lawn, we mainly have a couple of veg beds with mulch between them. We have some flowers dotted around for the bees.. Our garden is small, if there's cat poo then we will end up treading in it if we don't clean it up. It's not the end of the world, but it is a bit annoying.
I got a dog and taught her to chase the cats, bit of a nightmare when walking her on lead when she sees one though pulls like a train. Taught a good reinforced emergency stop and leave command for when off lead at the park if she sees one, thankfully it works which is good for other situations too.
The only downside is now she's super alert to any movements in the garden so will randomly bark at a bird through the glass door which can scare the crap out of you when you don't expect it
lol @ ........ moaning about cats massacring birds
You might think it is hilarious but there is nothing remotely funny about that imo.
Cats are predators which thanks to humans live in concentrations that the natural environment could never sustain.
Consequently everything possible should be done to minimise their predatory instincts. I don't think laughing is an appropriate response.
the poster(or a reply) claimed they actually were looking out the window at the time and saw the cat doing it. Which is quite a bit of luck, just to be looking out when a cat decided to wander in and leave a deposit. Personally the only shite in that description came from the poster.
tbh mate I don’t think “I watched as a cat shat in my garden” is the most improbable story I’ve ever read online
^This. I sit at my office desk with a glass door to my left which looks straight out onto our lawn/borders. I regularly look out of it to rest my eyes from the screen and must see our neighbour's cat shitting at least twice a week.
I had one shitting in my veg patch last summer. I threw down some brash (spiky sticks, basically anything I got from a general tidy up of the garden) so that it had nowhere to squat without a stick up it's arse. Was highly effective. Seems to have started to use the lawn instead which is fine till you go to get some washing in in the dark and traipse it halfway through the kitchen before you realise... So now the lawn is covered in brash too. They're habitual animals so hopefully if I break it's cycle and get it shitting in someone else's garden I can then tidy up again
So when a dog poos on the pavement outside my house do I use the air rifle on the dog or the idiot holding the lead who doesn’t pick up the poo?
IF you don't kill either cleanly you'll possibly need a proctologist to remove the weapon. Then some weeks on a ring cushion!
Which is about right for scumbag animal abusers IMO
I'm wondering what the penalty for scumbag cat owners who know thier cat will shit all over the neighborhood is.
chevychase
Full MemberSuch a daft thing to get angry over tbh. It rots away quick/gets pounded into the soil by the rain – plus, if you give a monkeys about nature you’re not mowing all your lawn anyway. Got a “wildflower meadow?” How can you even see it?!
If you give a monkies about nature, you won't be adding an extra unnatural predator because you like cute fluffy things.
Op, I had similar issues with an animal leaving presents in the gravel around my work van. Very unpleasant at 530am when stood on. I purchased some stupidly strong chillies and made a very watery chilli sauce. Spread around the area of fouling regularly, the turds, cat or otherwise stopped
the poster(or a reply) claimed they actually were looking out the window at the time and saw the cat doing it.
I've seen it happen, more than once.
Cats have a legal right to roam under the Animals Act 1971, they cannot trespass.
They are also considered to be the legal property of their owners. No other domestic animal has the legal right to roam under UK law. Which I think is well cool.
You may legally deter them from entering your property but only by using legal methods, you are not allowed to harm them, even if they are on your property.
Such a daft thing to get angry over tbh. It rots away quick/gets pounded into the soil by the rain – plus, if you give a monkeys about nature you’re not mowing all your lawn anyway.
Having stood in it today, and had to move three more from the flowerbed next to our seat, yes I'm unhappy.
I purchased some stupidly strong chillies and made a very watery chilli sauce. Spread around the area of fouling regularly, the turds, cat or otherwise stopped
That is brilliant! This won’t negatively affect hedgehogs will it?
That is brilliant! This won’t negatively affect hedgehogs will it?
Maybe. I only used it on, what had become the local cat toilet.
I'd imagine the hedgehogs would stay away too.
hat is brilliant! This won’t negatively affect hedgehogs will it?
I gather from this you dont care where the hedgehog poo's ?
Hiya,
In the distant past and in another house we lived in our neighbours cat did this. I ahem mixed chilli oil and put it along the top of the fence. Owner wasn't impressed 😉 never saw the cat again. Well we did get a dog anyway and she's rather good at chasing cats.
JeZ
My neighbour put carpet grippers on the fence - not a good idea as he could be sued if someone hurt themselves (people had been known to jump his fence as a short cut). Anyway, he soon gave up when he saw the cats still on the fence, paws each side of the carpet grippers as it shimmied along.
As a cat owner, we had a Tom that kept coming and leaving scent everywhere, and terrorising our cats. A couple of blasts from a super soaker, and it never returned.
Which is about right for scumbag animal abusers IMO
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I’m wondering what the penalty for scumbag cat owners who know thier cat will shit all over the neighborhood is.
I honestly don't know. By quoting me are you suggesting they deserve the same penalty? The two things somehow equate? One justifies the other?
I have no issue with people taking practical steps to deter cats from their gardens. I also accept owners have some responsibility. I draw the line when people* <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">suggest killing and maiming domestic pets.</span>
*no<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">t the OP who has clarified he only jokes about about animal abuse rather than doing it.</span>
Identify as a cat and relieve yourself in the owner's garden
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">I just wanted to say that I too have seen a cat have a shit live, both whist looking out of a window and whilst outside in the garden!</span>
You'd think people would get sick of arguing with the same people all the time though....i'm waiting for someone claims that it's either brexshit on the lawn or it was put there by russians/chinese/Iranians/Sir Keir Starmar or King Charles....
RSPCA ...
Cats are protected by law and are free to roam meaning they might go into other people's gardens or
allotments. It is understood that some may wish to deter other people's cats from those areas.
In attempting to prevent cats from entering a garden or an allotment it is important to make sure
that any deterrent methods used are nonharmful and don't cause pain, suffering, injury or distress.
Causing unnecessary suffering to a cat is an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 (AWA). It
may also be an offence to put down snares, poison or an unlicensed deterrent. The AWA also prohibits
poisoning protected animals. The maximum penalty for anyone found guilty of an offence under the AWA
is up to 6 months imprisonment and/or a £20,000 fine.
Some suggestions which could help you are:
I honestly don’t know. By quoting me are you suggesting they deserve the same penalty? The two things somehow equate? One justifies the other?
I have no issue with people taking practical steps to deter cats from their gardens. I also accept owners have some responsibility.
It was meant as a snippy reply, sorry it probably isn't the best reply I could have made. But I am fed up of cat poop in my garden and the fact that I have to cover every square cm of soil with twigs due to the multiple cats in the neighbourhood.
But it does lead me to ask - why if cat owners know there is an issue they do not have an indoor litter tray permanently? It seems 'normal' that the vast majority of cat owners assume that their cat peeing and pooing all around the neighbourhood is fine - and I don't think it is. Same with a dog owner.
I also am of the opinion that most cats are a huge impact on the biodiversity we see in our gardens - rodents, birds, frogs, insects etc.
https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pan3.10073
I'm of the opinion if you can go out and physically maim an animal especially a domestic animal you could probably do the same to any human that annoys you. Birds shit on my car that I just fed the day before, fat pigeons and seagulls I'm not wanting to be their friend but don't wish any harm on them and wasps give them a donor cake to eat and they will stay away from you
the cats which decimate the bird population every spring
Except they don't. see the RSPB who state:
Despite the large numbers of birds killed by cats in gardens, there is no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.
Removal of habitat is the biggy... and that's on all of us, not just the cat owners out there. Still... stick a bell on your moggy if you know it's fond of chasing birds.
the poster(or a reply) claimed they actually were looking out the window at the time and saw the cat doing it
Seen it on a regular basis... low windows. Doesn't hugely bother me... BUT... I don't have small kids... it can be a real nuisance (you could argue a real danger) for young families.
The old "Cat's don't shit on your grass" or "You'll never see a cat shitting" is clearly utter bobbins and I presume uttered by cat owners who are in either complete denial about how their cherished cat could possibly be a nuisance to your neighbourhood or do know, but don't give a ****.
The local cats seem to be claiming our garden as their patch since our dog died in December. Shit on a wee wind collected pile of leaves just behind the car boot on the drive way. Shit on the grass in the back garden, shit in the flower beds. Shit ****ing everywhere. I've trailed it into the house multiple times now of the last couple of months.
It really grinds my gears as a recently ex dog owner - I always, without fail picked up dog dirt as I had respect for my neighbours and the community where I live. cat owners on the other hand - clearly don't give a ficking damn about anyone else.
Im tempted to pick the shit up in a poo bag and gaffer tape it to the collar of the wee bastards. Scumbags the lot of them.
Except they don’t. see the RSPB who state:
It's not quite that simple as this more detailed article which takes into account that RSPB comment points out:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/14/cats-kill-birds-wildlife-keep-indoors
My sister had a pair of siberians which regularly killed slow worms, I had no idea that they were even established where my sister lived until they started bringing in dead or half dead ones. Eventually they stopped but I don't know whether it was because there weren't any left to kill - reptiles are fairly rare in the UK and not least slow worms.
One of those motion-activated water sprinklers definitely works.
After about a month you can withdraw the water supply, the cats will have broken their habit and found somewhere else to do their business. They will associate the sprinkler-head with being sprayed on.
Causes no harm to the animals, you will quickly learn to switch it off when you want to tend your garden.
Limitations: Unlikely to work in the winter when the hose freezes, and the ice splits the valve within the sprinkler.
On this @mattoutandabout:
It seems ‘normal’ that the vast majority of cat owners assume that their cat peeing and pooing all around the neighbourhood is fine – and I don’t think it is
You might think it's not fine, but UK law says it is. Unfortunately, unless the government legislates to remove the ability of people to have cats as pets (which is fair game) then the answer you need to face up to is "tough titties".
There's bugger all you can realistically do without being cruel and breaking the law - and, unfortunately, there's bugger all owners can do - because they're cats...
We have a permanent litter tray in our house for the cat that won't leave us, btw. He's never used it. Likes to shit outside.
Super-soaker / sprinkler. Knock yourself out tbh. And chill. No point in getting angry about stuff you can't do anything about.
reptiles are fairly rare in the UK and not least slow worms.
The impact of cats on reptiles in the UK is minimal, the main threat (as with birds) are global warming, intensive agriculture and habitat loss from expanding urban areas.
Incidentally, pheasants probably take more slow worms than cats in the UK.
natrix Free Member
The impact of cats on reptiles in the UK is minimal
Well it's easy for you to say that. Cats might not be a problem for natrix natrix but my sister's cats were definitely a problem for the local slow worm population.
The clue is in the name.
Cats shitting on your lawn, instead of burying their poop could mean:
a) A lack of clean toilet facilities (think pre-BBC Glastonbury).
b) You’ve got rats nearby. The cats will leave the poop unburied as a treat for the rats.
The rats get brainworms, makes them easier to catch.
Most likely door two. So the cats are doing you a ‘solid’, just like the people hauling your garbage away, etc.
It would be most impolite to shoot them, too!
I’d take one for the team, and have a ton of sand delivered. The cats are defending all the properties in your quarter-acre.
And until someone invents a mouse-proof toaster, we’re lumbered with them.
Stalwarts!
We have 3 local cats that regularly crap in our garden; yea I’ve seen that em crap on the lawn many times - joys of bi-fold doors & a nice garden to look at.
Anyway, the best remedy for cats crapping on your lawn is a Labrador. Not for the obvious cats vs dogs shenanigans - Labradors don’t scare cats. Rather, they do a great clean up job every morning & evening. It’s like a smorgasbord of meaty treats.
get a patterdale terrier - no cat problems here!
It really grinds my gears as a recently ex dog owner – I always, without fail picked up dog dirt as I had respect for my neighbours and the community where I live. cat owners on the other hand – clearly don’t give a ficking damn about anyone else.
^ this.
You might think it’s not fine, but UK law says it is. Unfortunately, unless the government legislates to remove the ability of people to have cats as pets (which is fair game) then the answer you need to face up to is “tough titties”.
Which does not make it OK.
And there is a real double standard here - see the dog poop vs cat poop comment above, see the 'my cat is not an environmental nuisance' and yet they are, and yet so many owners could choose to do the 'right' thing and have their litter tray in the lounge...yet they don't.
It is a conscious DILLIGAF from the owner.
How the blinking flip is a cat owner meant to pick up after their cat? Dogs are easy - they generally either crap at home or while they're on a lead. Sometimes they crap while they're free running and sometimes the owner "doesn't see" them do that so it gets left behind. Cats are pretty much free running the whole time - unless you're in LA nobody walks a cat on a lead and you aint gonna follow a cat through hedges and gardens to find out where it's doing its business. You can have a litter tray at home but that doesn't guarantee the cat will use it. Maybe they should start sticking microchips in Dreamies so you can scan each pile and determine which house it belongs to? Edit - and dogs ain't no saints here- if they were allowed to roam free they'd crap everywhere too, like they do in plenty of other countries I've visited.
Obstruction/deterrence is the best bet - when we dig the veg patch we use a load of old mesh to cover the ground so the neighbourhood cats don't start dumping on it. If we miss a bit and leave them a target then I take that as our mistake rather than the cats, but fortunately our local moggies don't use places with a lot of footfall.
You can have a litter tray at home but that doesn’t guarantee the cat will use it
It does if you keep the cat inside 🙄
Cue predictable cries of 'they're outdoor animals' etc. etc. but so are dogs, yada yada yada. Ultimately it's still the cat owner's choice to adopt an animal which apparently MUST be given free reign to roam around crapping indiscriminately
I think this thread is more to do with quite a few cat haters on here that would like to see more kittens drowned at an early age. All this killing birds etc causing major problems , they may kill the odd one or two but sparrowhawk's probably are more skillful at killing a blackbird so do we need them poisoned, look at the amount of sheep damaged by dogs or foxes
No, I'm only still here because of the nonsense arguments being trotted out in the defence of pet cats, I mean, can you honestly not tell the difference between a wild bird killing to eat, and a well fed domestic cat killing out of boredom?
I've nothing against cats.
We looked after a moggy on a regular basis. She only used to use the litter tray (yes it does stink), bit of a house cat really as she'd only like to go outside for short adventures and preferably if a human was present, so not really fully representing normal domestic cat behaviour.
I quite like our neighbours cat despite the fact that I have seen it shit in our garden numerous times. There used to be another cat from somewhere else in the village that used to regularly come into our garden and quite savagely attack the neighbours cat, big ugly thing it was and if I saw it I used to chase it away (never threw anything at it, honest guv). It's regular escape route was over the wall via the top of a storage box that had been left there for quite some time. The box lid had some holes and it had filled with rain water.. One day I decided to take it to the tip and took the lid off to empty it and went to get a bucket. Having found a bucket I saw ugly cat in the garden and gave chase. It must have got a real shock when it discovered the lid was off the box and I couldn't stop laughing as I watched it drag it's sorry soggy self out of the box and disapear down the drive. Never seen it since!