[Closed] feminists.

(the street fighter version I've got all the girls are wearing g strings )

I always thought that Cammy should take more and more chafing damage the longer the fight went on for. No one can fight properly with an abraded ringpiece.

emsz - Member

How hard would it be say FIFA to have a couple womens teams?

I'm not sure the FIFA engine could accurately recreate female goalies tbh. ITS NOT SEXIST WHEN ITS TRUE!!oN!E

Lifer - Member
Do you talk about that a lot when you get together with your fellow feminists then poah?

well I'm not a feminist to start with and I also have a penis 😛

edit. feminists probably think penis envy is misogynistic lol

If you're going to do gamergate (and mention the horrible threats as a reason why one side in particular is bad) then you should realise that there have been threats on BOTH sides and that there are reasonable men, women, straight, gay, and trans individuals on BOTH sides (as well as the 'orrible trolls on both sides).

Some (c.h. sommers) suggest that the issue is one of "social justice warriors" and gender feminists (as opposed to equality feminists) trying to be the thought police for a group of which they are not a part.

Others have pointed out that actual violence against women has been falling at the same time that that these claims of games causing misogyny and violence have been increasing. (In the same way the violence in society generally has been falling over the period in which people have been kicking off about violence in video games).

Its not a one dimensional topic and I really think that the tendency to get immediately offended, brand the other side with pejorative terms and shut down the discussion is getting a bit wearing these days.

As a minor example - the "pink van" issue
Breast cancer charities use pink shirts and armbands and pink branding.

Is that offensive to women?
If not why not?

How hard would it be say FIFA to have a couple womens teams? Or one of the GTA characters to have been a woman?

FIFA's a bad example I think, as its whole raison d'etre these days is, as I understand it(*), to mirror the current leagues. There's no female teams in the game because there's none in the leagues either. Adding a women's team would mean adding adding whatever women's leagues exist IRL, a lot of extra work texture modelling all the new players, potentially work on the ragdoll physics to account for the female form, etc etc.

Not that any of this is insurmountable. Point is it's a lot of work - is there sufficient demand for it to pay of financially for EA?

(* - I'm far from an expert, the last football game I played was Kick Off.)

Or one of the GTA characters to have been a woman?

I was going to say GTA is a bad example too but, the more I think about it the more I think it's a very good example. It would be a fundamental change to the game though. The whole group dynamic would be different, and it'd impact all the NPC interactions (as a random example). A lot of dialogue can be recycled, it's appropriate regardless of which character you play. A female protagonist could mean that some dialogue doesn't make sense and needs to be re-written, increasing the size and complexity of the game.

But. And it's a big but (and I cannot lie). In a game series that thrives on violence, misogyny and crime to a point of shocking parody, thrusting the player into a character into the receiving end of that lifestyle could make for a very interesting game.

Or just not have the women prancing about in their undies (the street fighter version I've got all the girls are wearing g strings

Well, quite, and that's where we started. Street Fighter is a pretty old series - SF2 came out in 1991 and they've been extending and remixing it for decades. The fighting genre is particularly notorious for this sort of imagery, I guess largely because of its anime roots (and original 'hormonal boys' target market). It's a poor show if they've not moved with the times, really.

poah - what exactly is "penis envy"? You do seem to talk about it a lot...

Rachel

"Keep the tip"?

what exactly is "penis envy"?

It's a phallicy.

Damn and blast. I've waited months to use that joke, and yours was better.

😆

Spelled rong through.

allthegear - Member
poah - what exactly is "penis envy"? You do seem to talk about it a lot...

my definition of a lot differs significantly from yours what with me only ever mentioning it once on this forum.

penis envy manifests its self in early female childhood with anxiety from realising they don't have a penis and the competition with the mother for fathers attention. The up shot is that they want the penis and the power it has, they blame their mother for not having one culminating in sexual desires for the father in order to replace the mother.

girls who frequent picture palaces
don't go much for psych-analysis,
and though Dr Freud
is quite rightly annoyed
they still cling to their longstanding fallacies

seriously I think penis envy takes us back to different times when the world was very much a " members club ", as for Poah he's probably just a dick

Boom - Boom - BOOOOOOOM!

Kettle's on. Hob-nob, anyone?

mr potatohead - Member

seriously I think penis envy takes us back to different times when the world was very much a " members club ", as for Poah he's probably just a dick.

like a lot of pysco-mumbo jumbo there are those that think the theory is valid and those that don't. nice to see you are defending the feminists using Neanderthal type name calling 😉

glad to be of cervix

O,vary good.

using Neanderthal type name calling

Priceless.

*Doffs cap*

Poah - a few questions.

What makes you believe that all feminists are women?

Why do you decry "a lot of pysco-mumbo jumbo" in one breath and yet accuse people of penis envy in the other? You do realise that the penis envy theory IS "a lot of pysco-mumbo jumbo" no? Or are you just cutting your own cloth to suit your own agenda?

Finally, why do you believe that feminism is such a bad thing that you mock and ridicule those who support it? Do you not think everyone should be equal regardless?

I would assume poah might be suffering penis envy right now, as he masturbates himself raw after getting a reaction, and desperately needs a second to go for a piss.

Do you not think everyone should be equal regardless?

I think that is genuinely part of the problem. There's no such thing. You're only ever going to have interest groups vying for power and at any one time, one interest group is going to have ascendency over another. The idea that there will be true equality is a myth (much like white male power is also a myth).

The interest groups aren't mirror images of each other either. You have the feminist lobby, lobbying for women's power but there's no equivalent male lobby group.

You're as likely in modern UK to experience being disadvantaged as a male as you are a female, the point is that the disadvantage is not targeted at gender, it's not an organised conspiracy, it's just life.

Things are different around the world where very real problems still exist but in this country at least, and probably a lot of other developed nations, the concept of feminism is anachronistic at best and divisive at worst.

You have the feminist lobby, lobbying for women's power but there's no equivalent male lobby group.

It isn't needed because the males are in power. Where they are *not* feeling as if they are in power you find them - off the top of my head "Fathers for Justice" may be considered such. Similarly there are no heterosexual lobby groups but there are gay/lesbian/trans ones.

Things are different around the world where very real problems still exist but in this country at least, and probably a lot of other developed nations, the concept of feminism is anachronistic at best and divisive at worst.

Now you're trolling.

A fair point. Perhaps we just need 'equality' as something for everyone to get behind. Non-divisive, inclusive and does what it says on the tin (as compared to feminism which I've heard used as a platform for gay rights and such).

Your point about a lack of mens rights isn't quite true though since many of equality objectives (equal paternity leave/pay, paternal custody etc.) are included within feminism. Or at least the normal rational feminism you don't really hear so much about as opposed to young angry American women getting 'radical'. Men's Rights as a label is, unfortunately, toxic in the same way that the folk in Gamergate who [i]were[/i] actually concerned with the whole ethics in journalism rather than gender bashing are now left with a toxic legacy, all the misogynists and other loonies piled in and it's dead as a legitimate movement.

Now you're trolling.

I think he actually believes it.

I think he actually believes it.

Damn right I do. But bear in mind that if you ask anyone who knows me (on here) they won't say I'm anything other than a very decent person who takes care to look after people whenever he can. I'm no misogynist. I'm just tired of being berrated for my gender and would love some of this 'male power' that everyone speaks of.

I've experienced plenty of discrimination and disadvantage in my life and it's been a hell of a struggle at times to get by so really, where is this power that is supposed to materially advantage me?

Now you're trolling.

I think he actually believes it.

Not entirely fair, if someone hasn't had what feminism is and isn't about explained in a calm and rational way (which rarely happens) then how can you expect them to form an unbiased and fact based opinion?

I'm not that far from the point where I thought the same thing myself and to a greater or lesser extent still do depending on the context. For example I still believe that pay gaps are more to do with the fact women spend a great deal of time off work to raise children rather than institutionalised discrimination. Equal rights for paternity leave should hopefully address this gap through time and it's normalisation.

But to address this:

I think that is genuinely part of the problem. There's no such thing. You're only ever going to have interest groups vying for power and at any one time, one interest group is going to have ascendency over another. The idea that there will be true equality is a myth (much like white male power is also a myth).

I don't think feminists (in the true sense) are vying for power, just an equal slice of the pie. Same as trans people don't want to be discriminated against, same as gays just want the same rights as straights, same as every other group in history that fought for equality.

History has proven that equality can happen, albeit slowly, so quite why you believe that it's going to flip the other way I'm not sure. True equality is not being discriminated against for anything other than your actions, why is that such a hard pill to swallow?

squirrelking - Member

Poah - a few questions.

What makes you believe that all feminists are women?[/
quote]

who says I did?

Why do you decry "a lot of pysco-mumbo jumbo" in one breath and yet accuse people of penis envy in the other? You do realise that the penis envy theory IS "a lot of pysco-mumbo jumbo" no? Or are you just cutting your own cloth to suit your own agenda?

it was a joke, I wasn't actually being serious

Finally, why do you believe that feminism is such a bad thing that you mock and ridicule those who support it? Do you not think everyone should be equal regardless?

yes everything should be equal but feminism isn't about equality and everything is open to mocking and ridicule including me which I have no problem.

 

who says I did?

Feminists are just a group of people who have massive amounts of penis envy

Ergo they don't have penises so are female.

feminism isn't about equality

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Ooookay then. Or are you confusing feminism with misandry?

I'm just tired of being berrated for my gender and would love some of this 'male power' that everyone speaks of.

Who's berating you for your gender?

You don't get looked up and down and harassed in the street.
You don't obsess about your weight and looks.
You can go out without makeup.
You can walk at night without apprehension.
You don't get called 'bossy' when you're being assertive.

I could go on. That's male power. I have it, and so do you regardless of whether you feel like it. In particular white male power which, if you are one (I assume you are), you really have no position to proclaim a myth.

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The argument against Sarkeesian is quite simple; she is corrupt, she lies, she steals content and rebrands it as her own, and she gets paid and given a stage because, in general, large companies are more interested in making money than any form of "moral right".

The fact that she cheated / lied / slept with people to make money and gain promotion is nothing special - people have been doing it for years, men and women.

I suppose what is surprising is that now you are branded a misogynist for pointing out simple facts. I suppose it is quite an easy way to silence people, as Lifer proved.

Back to this I think.

[i]
You know when you're sat on a train and you overhear a conversation and think

"I probably ought to say something, 'cos what they're saying is wrong."

but you don't because you know it'll just cause a row and it's not going to change anyone's mind.

This thread is one of those occasions [/i]

What a load of made up misogynist shit. Its depressing that someone could write this and that I have to share the planet [ and gender] with you.

All of it is lies , all of it is disrespectful it so full of shit its not worth de constructing but not one word of it is true.
You get called it because it is the behaviour you display.
You may as well tag all your posts with gamergate

I've experienced plenty of discrimination and disadvantage in my life and it's been a hell of a struggle at times to get by

And the original cartoon which hasn't been edited by someone who thinks a strong female character is any who doesn't have her tits out. Or a dog.

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continuity - Member

Jeeeze that's an offensive comic, the fact that you think it supports your position is fairly tragic.

The argument against Sarkeesian is quite simple; she is corrupt, she lies, she steals content and rebrands it as her own, and she gets paid and given a stage because, in general, large companies are more interested in making money than any form of "moral right".

The fact that she cheated / lied / slept with people to make money and gain promotion is nothing special - people have been doing it for years, men and women.

I suppose what is surprising is that now you are branded a misogynist for pointing out simple facts. I suppose it is quite an easy way to silence people, as Lifer proved.

It's not an 'argument' to attack someone's position on something by criticising their character.

"Against the fragile, mashed and sweaty wound
Your facile beauty has an outrageous sound,
Like a glamour billboard on a battlefield."
See you in court..
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continuity - Member
I suppose what is surprising is that now you are branded a misogynist for pointing out simple facts. I suppose it is quite an easy way to silence people, as Lifer proved.

The only people I branded misogynistic are those that sent death/rape threats etc to intimidate her, ironically in order to silence her.

For the avoidance of doubt:

Lifer - Member
"samunkim - Member
How about looking at her target of choice..
Socially awkward gamer nerds, living in mum's basement. Yeah way to re-invent feminism ( and make yourself rich ) anita"

Aw, yeah, the pwah ickle gamers, sending death and rape threats, publishing her home and work addresses online.

Really?

As for getting rich, she'd still be an obscure YouTuber if the misogynistic, sorry 'socially awkward gamer nerds' hadn't started a massive campaign of hate and harassment against her. So yeah, gutted them and more power to her really if she's getting rich.

I would be interested in you expanding on your allegations against her though.

chakaping - Member

Is anyone else waiting for Alpin to come back and explain exactly why feminists have been getting on his mewbs?

Interesting though the chat about gaming and misogyny is...

nope, certainly not me....

surprised how a jovial throw away comment that i assumed would drop off hte page has turned into a 4 page long argument between a load of [s]self abusing sticky smelly losers[/s] gamers.

Hey! I don't smell.

I do, but I kinda think it weird you think anyone jacks-off over computer games when Micaah is only a few clicks away on XHAMPSTER

The only game I can think of with a female protagonist,

There's a few about. Admittedly only fallout made much of a difference to dialogue. Morrowind and oblivion had stats differences, phased out in skyrim.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_Goddesses_of_Phobos ]Leather Goddesses of Phobos[/url]

You could play as male or female, you made the choice at the start by which restroom you went into.

Am I showing my age?