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It had a fairly loose in-game effect too IIRC, in that your love interest later in the game changes gender accordingly too. (Gender equality down, heteronormativity to go.)
Jeeeze that's an offensive comic, the fact that you think it supports your position is fairly tragic.
The only offensive part about it is the last line. And it was probably just the author's anger with people on the other side of the debate instantly resorting to personal attacks and labels of "MUH SOJINY" rather than engaging in reasonable debate. I mean, if you're unable to see the wood for the trees, that's not my fault.
And the original cartoon which hasn't been edited by someone who thinks a strong female character is any who doesn't have her tits out
Faith / Lighting / RE Women / Femshep / Laura Croft / Joanna Dark / Shell / Samus / Alex Vance / e.t.c
It strikes me that, just like Sarkeesian, nobody who makes these complaints actually plays the video games at all. If you did, you wouldn't make them because they just aren't true. Yes, dead or alive 24 has some bulging cleveage. Is that representative of every game? No. Many games? No. A miniscule proportion of games? Maybe.
In fact, here is a list on a feminist gaming wikia listing strong female characters in video games:
Notice how the positive portrayals in overwhelming majority outweigh the negative? Maybe there's something there?
As for getting rich, she'd still be an obscure YouTuber if the misogynistic, sorry 'socially awkward gamer nerds' hadn't started a massive campaign of hate and harassment against her.
That's the point; you did exactly what she and her supporting media wanted. You tarred everyone who opposed her with the same brush. A huge breadth of the gaming community spoke out against her for moral reasons that had nothing to do with "rape threats", and had no "misogyny" to it.
It's not an 'argument' to attack someone's position on something by criticising their character.
I don't understand. Did you read my post? I didn't criticise her character once. I only criticised her PUBLIC ACTIONS - i.e. Theft, fraud and deceit. I also hold against her that she is simply wrong about nearly everything she blogs / vlogs about - for example, strong female characters (see above).
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continuity - MemberJeeeze that's an offensive comic, the fact that you think it supports your position is fairly tragic.
Excellent, I've seen some foot in mouth moments but posting offensive /b/ comics here is quite a step forward.
yes Gay people and transgender and young black males and females are really moved by your plight in this country
The easiest hand to be dealt in life [ in the UK] is white male. If you cannot see this then you are a bit unobservant.
Junky I'm so angry you have no idea. How dare you. Really how dare you. You honestly have no idea who I am now or what happened to me as kid and yet you have the nerve to disregard that experience as if the only people who have had a hard time are the ones that fit neatly into an easily defined box that you sanction.
I don't see why I should justify myself to you on a public forum but I am so angry that I am going to shame you by doing so.
While none of tose specific things apply, my experiences fall into the 'catholic school' variety of severe emotional abuse. I've carried those scars my whole life. They have caused me no end of trauma as an adult and great difficulty in trying to be a decent person who can fit in to society and have a career.
I've had more therapy than most, been unfairly dismissed from more jobs than most (and even had that acknowledged back to me with the caveat - what are you going to do) and each time if I had been black/gay/female/trans etc I might have had a card to play but because the issue is always something that doesn't fit into your neat little box, I jsut have to lump it. I've never once asked for anything from anybody for what happened to me. I just got on and tried harder to be a good person.
I hope you feel ashamed of yourself Junky.
In fact, here is a list on a feminist gaming wikia listing strong female characters in video games:
You had me at Ms Pac-Man.
GT, I'm sincerely sorry that you've had to endure such experiences, but with respect I think you're comparing apples with oranges here.
Being a white heterosexual male [i]is [/i]probably the most "privileged" demographic to be born into (in the Western world, anyway). We don't have to face additional challenges because of sexism, racism or homophobia, and are rarely prejudiced against because of [i]what we are.[/i]
But that doesn't mean that bad things don't still happen through no fault of their own to plenty of people who didn't deserve to be ill-treated. These aren't mutually exclusive situations, no-one is saying (I don't think) that all white men have it easy, that's very obviously not the case.
If you were gay or whatever, would you really have a "card to carry," or would you actually have even more shit to deal with from the ignorant masses on top of everything else?
While none of tose specific things apply, my experiences fall into the 'catholic school' variety of severe emotional abuse. I've carried those scars my whole life. They have caused me no end of trauma as an adult and great difficulty in trying to be a decent person who can fit in to society and have a career.I've had more therapy than most, been unfairly dismissed from more jobs than most (and even had that acknowledged back to me with the caveat - what are you going to do) and each time if I had been black/gay/female/trans
Stat's disagree with you, I'm with Junkyard. Although that doesn't mean to say your experience of the world should be dismissed geetee.
I think there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of equality for females, however I do think there is a small vocal minority of feminists who do women a disservice. At the end of the day I think Humanism should just replace feminism, as I would consider certain sub-groups of white males to be disadvantaged - mainly the working class males. Whilst statistics can often paint broad brush strokes, they often fail to take into account nuances that do genuinely effect people.
My cynical side also tells me that no one is ever interested in true equality, social groups always seek to have an advantage over each other.
Whilst I still agree with what I said this is not the point to labour the point , explain or argue further.
Clearly my post caused you upset and caused you to remember this and for that I apologise. I did not mean for it to cause the distress it has
I offer you my sincerest apology.
I didn't criticise her character once. I only criticised her PUBLIC ACTIONS i.e. Theft, fraud and deceit.
Presumably she publicly slept her way to the top which strangely you ommitted from your list this time 🙄
Every word of it was a big steaming pile of lies , cheap slurs, and hatred
Its lies.
I offer you my sincerest apology.
Thankyou Junkyard - I really appreciate that. Maybe some time we can have a beer and try and make the world a better place!
Hopefully and I shall tell you of my childhood demons as well .
Thanks for accepting as it was sincere.
continuity - Member
That's the point; you did exactly what she and her supporting media wanted. You tarred everyone who opposed her with the same brush. A huge breadth of the gaming community spoke out against her for moral reasons that had nothing to do with "rape threats", and had no "misogyny" to it.
Are you dense or just being deliberately obtuse?
As I said, and was pretty clear in the way I worded it in the original post, the only people I called misogynistic were the ones sending rape/death threats. 🙄
Also why have you put "rape threats" in quotation marks? Because it's pretty damn clear that's what they were.
continuity - Member
It strikes me that, just like Sarkeesian, nobody who makes these complaints actually plays the video games at all.
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continuity - Member
I don't understand. Did you read my post? I didn't criticise her character once. I only criticised her PUBLIC ACTIONS - i.e. Theft, fraud and deceit.
Put up or shut up.
Theft of video content (which money was then made from, with the intention to deceive, i.e. textbook fraud):
VICTORSOPINION.BLOGSPOT.BE Theft of intellectual property:
for starters
I didn't criticise her character once. I only criticised her PUBLIC ACTIONS - i.e. Theft, fraud and deceit.
Which of those categories does allegations of who she's slept with fit into, out of interest?
First one is she used you tube [ and other sources] for the videos of the games rather than made them herself- Mleh to that one seems a strange complaint to me they are still from the actual video so its as weak as weak can be
the second one is also in the first one but omits [ oh the irony] the conclusion and it has some merit to it but it is overstaed in terms of theft
Although Anita did not ask permission to use the image, and she refused to remove it quoting 'Fair usage', we did eventually come to a compromise that she would credit and link back to my website in the video description, which she did do.However, in UK (my home country) law, 'Fair Usage' is not applicable, and instead we have this - http://pages.citebite.com/a2e3m4d8p2jxh
...which basically states that you must ask the creators permission, if you cannot find any rules on usage on the page you have found it, and if you are making and distribution copies of the work - she is distributing media that contains my work, which as I understand, will be available on DVD.I do not want to attack Anita directly, I just want her, and every other person out there, to contact an artist, ask permission and credit them as per the artist's wishes. We work hard on our work, it would be nice to get a little appreciation for it."
[b]this is going to be like following jives links and "discussing" them with him [/b]
Christ your starters were pretty poor
Anyway sleeping her way to the top
Proper looking forward to that one which was not an attack on her as a person apparently
Aw JY got there first 😥
I assumed it would be those barrel scraping 'examples'.
continuity - Member
for starters
*waits with baited breath for the next exciting installment*
Trust me I wont be making that mistake again
if you want i can edit 😉
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I'll allow it.
I was just going to point out the absurdity (in the cowgirl example specifically, the stuff loaded to YouTube is just ridiculous) of claiming any ownership over a reproduction of a licensed character.
i.e. textbook fraud
What subject is this textbook supposed to have taught you about?
I'm guessing not fraud.
[i]this is going to be like following jives links and "discussing" them with him [/i]
I refer you to my first post on the thread.
These aren't mutually exclusive situations, no-one is saying (I don't think) that all white men have it easy, that's very obviously not the case.
Thanks Cougar. Put better than I would have done. Common misconception that privilege means a guaranteed easy ride, which of course it isn't. Sure helps though.
I've had more therapy than most, been unfairly dismissed from more jobs than most (and even had that acknowledged back to me with the caveat - what are you going to do) and each time if I had been black/gay/female/trans etc I might have had a card to play but because the issue is always something that doesn't fit into your neat little box, I jsut have to lump it. I've never once asked for anything from anybody for what happened to me. I just got on and tried harder to be a good person.
Suggesting that black/gay/female/trans people have a 'card to play' that somehow gives them an advantage is pretty offensive.
How would you feel if I said you've just played the 'abuse card' to try and win an argument?
I don't understand.
Yes I'd noticed.
'she is corrupt'
'she lies'
'she steals'
All of which is at worst trumped up, and at best soundly debunked.
And of course you question her sleeping habits.
Of course you're attacking her character. Are you seriously telling me that if someone described you in these terms you wouldn't regard it as an attack on your character? If you don't like her just say so and be done with it, rather than pretending you've got some kind of rational position.
It strikes me that, just like Sarkeesian, nobody who makes these complaints actually plays the video games at all
Says you, posting 'Laura' Croft and 'Alex' Vance.
You had me at Ms Pac-Man.
My favourite was listing ONE female character from DoA and Xtreme Beach Volleyball as 'sexualised'.
Rumble Roses doesn't even get a mention! What's the world coming to?
Yeah, I didn't take that list apart largely because there were a number of characters I wasn't familiar with (plus, y'know, Pac Man). But I did laugh at some of the top-of-the-list examples of strong, non-sexualised characters; the ladies of Mortal Kombat.
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(Kitana, Mileena and Sonya are at positions 2, 3 and 5 in that pic).
And this is on, presumably, a pro-geek feminist website? Speaks volumes when their list of positive female player characters runs to, generously, about three screens (and includes, sorry to keep repeating myself but really, Ms Pac-Man).
Anyone reckon the positive male character list would be about the same length?
Hi Cougar
Re: Being a white heterosexual male is probably the most "privileged" demographic to be born into (in the Western world, anyway). We don't have to face additional challenges because of sexism, racism or homophobia, and are rarely prejudiced against because of what we are.[i]
Whilst I have enjoyed reading most of the stuff youve written on this thread and maybe even learnt a few things. You really need to admit this is pretty broadbrush stuff. There is a huge percentage of white males growing up in sink-estates, going (on occasion) to some pretty terrible schools for whom their only expection of a paypacket is to take the kings shilling or sell drugs. The idea that thay have inherent privledges over the young ladies leaving Bedales School this year is pretty laughable.
Speaking as someone who has eaten in resturant maybe 8 times in my life, never paid more than £400 for a car or owned "even one" house and woudn't dream of walking through Luton alone at night.
Though I do dream of playing golf, sking or surfing on some holiday one day, But I will probably just blow the money on trying to get my teeth fixed..
Dont get me there wrong, there are millions (98% of the worlds population)who have beed dealt a worst hand (I have never gone hungry) but I certainly aint feeling the priveledge Ta
Maybe humanist is the way to go.
You really need to admit this is pretty broadbrush stuff.
Yep. Of course it is, I never claimed otherwise. (In fact I tried to clarify that, probably quite badly, when replying to GT.) It's a generalisation.
That said, your white boy in his sink estate, how's he compare to a black boy on the same estate, or a white girl? If nothing else, I'd hazard that he's less likely than his sister to walk home every night scared to death of being raped.
It is, broadly, still a privilege even if all you're comparing is "shit" against "really shit".
Cougars reply was better and showed that it was still better to be a poor white male than a poor black female or gay etc
None of these are as good as being a very rich though
That said, your white boy in his sink estate, how's he compare to a black boy on the same estate, or a white girl? If nothing else, I'd hazard that he's less likely than his sister to walk home every night scared to death of being raped.
Still, it's young blokes who are most likely to end up dead in wars and are most likely to be victims of violence. So the being scared of rape thing kind of falls flat on it's face. I guess race is a better example. I'm also going to hazard a guess that black working class women do better educationally than black men, just as their white counterparts do.
Still, it's young blokes who are most likely to end up dead in wars and are most likely to be victims of violence. So the being scared of rape thing kind of falls flat on it's face
Perhaps. I think on balance I'd fancy my chances better as a bloke in that situation.
I guess race is a better example
I expect that in the sink estate example, "race" as an advantage is going to depend wholly on numbers. Doesn't matter whether you're black, white or green with purple spots so long as you're in the majority.
Which, really, isn't a bad analogy for the rest of life at all.
Why is this so hard for some people to grasp?
The point is that ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL white males are the default, and thus find themselves with a starting advantage.
The example above is a case in point. Women do better in school, but still find themselves marginalised and underpaid in the workplace relative to men.
PS. It's not young blokes who are most likely to die in wars. It's civilians, who are predominantly women and children. And that's without considering the horror of rape in war.
After having to deal with gaters occasionally and work with some of their victims in the past six months, I almost enjoyed these five pages of people asking them for proof.
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I haven't yet seen anyone argue the pro-GamerGate side without looking like a massive end...
Even the most laddish developers I know think gamergate are a bunch of bellends, and the best estimates anyone has managed puts them at a fraction of 1% of the market for commercial videogames. They still sit there on Twitter bigging themselves up and screaming "Don't ignore me! I'm the market!" though.
[url=
e's a screengrab from one of their chatrooms[/url], when they were just starting up last August, of some of them taking [url= http://gamingsfeministilluminati.com ]gamings feminist illuminati[/url] incredibly and hilariously literally.
How would you feel if I said you've just played the 'abuse card' to try and win an argument?I would say you'd missed the point. I was genuinely upset but we've resolved that and moved on.
There is a huge percentage of white males growing up in sink-estates
No particular offence and apologies if the following comes across as patronising, but it remains amazing how many people get into arguments on the internet about ideas like "privilege" that they quite obviously haven't read very much about at all.
I don't know anything about you, but I do know that defensive arguing about this kind of thing without necessarily grasping it very well is one of the things that my younger female friends especially find enormously annoying when guys do. It fits into a paradigm of tending to shut down "stuff women say".
If you're happy to file it all under "the women are wrong again" and crack on, that's obviously absolutely fine. But the single biggest and easiest thing you can do for all the women you will ever know is to read, listen and make reasonably sure you thoroughly understand what anyone you might label a feminist is talking about before declaring that she's obviously wrong because of your own experience, which you urgently need to tell her about.
{lecture ends} 🙂
LOLOLOLOL at "gaming's feminist illuminati" being a real thing.
That has made me very happy. 😀
PS. It's not young blokes who are most likely to die in wars. It's civilians, who are predominantly women and children. And that's without considering the horror of rape in war.
I'm not sure that's true, men are far more likely to be mistaken for combatants.
The example above is a case in point. Women do better in school, but still find themselves marginalised and underpaid in the workplace relative to men.
This will likely change as the current generation of young women get older, women enter educational routes such as finance that lead to higher pay and maternity laws improve. I expect to see a reversal of the pay gap within my lifetime.
The thing with men is that there are more intelligent men and more really thick men in comparison to women, men's IQ's show a greater distribution around the mean. I think this is going to cause some quite considerable social issues over the next 20 years.
I've already noticed women having problems finding partners as successful or more successful than them, almost all the female friends I know are dating men further down the social ladder in terms of education and career success. Then again, maybe it's selection bias in terms of the types of women I choose to have as friends.
Personally, I love it that women are doing better and better with each passing year - I just think it's throwing up some issues that society is going to have to discuss. Why do women often feel the need to have a more successful partner, or why do men feel pressured to be more successful etc?
I'm not sure that's true, men are far more likely to be mistaken for combatants.
Bombs, IED's, Missiles and things going wrong don't tend to see gender. In a large number of conflicts civilians tend to be the casualty, then men are often out there doing the fighting.
The report also found that 46 per cent of the victims of US air strikes whose gender could be determined were female and 39 per cent were children.
As for reversing the gender pay gap the first thing that needs to happen is for pay equality by role which is being dealt with but not that quickly.
The report also found that 46 per cent of the victims of US air strikes whose gender could be determined were female and 39 per cent were children.
46 percent doesn't seem drastically different to the normal population does it. Men and women are being killed in roughly equal amounts by US airstrikes, whilst men are also out being killed in fighting.
IMO the whole stop war rape campaign bothered me, how about stopping civilians (both men and women) being massacred to alter the balance of power, or stopping war itself.
46% women and 39% children, doesn't leave much room for men there does it.
Great ideas about stopping war, but one step at a time there. It's not an either or choice you can try and do both.
46% women and 39% children, doesn't leave much room for men there does it. Great ideas about stopping war, but one step at a time there. It's not an either or choice you can try and do both.
Ok 46 percent adult women?
IMO I'd be interested to see some papers, so that I could be less ignorant of the issue.
Why do women often feel the need to have a more successful partner
As anecdote rather than data, I am delighted to report that the most successful woman I know is dating a vaguely educated, largely unpaid and very handsome chap 10 years her junior.
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As anecdote rather than data, I am delighted to report that the most successful woman I know is dating a vaguely educated, largely unpaid and very handsome chap 10 years her junior.
High five. My missus just got a job with hedge fund company thingy, I'm glad one of us will earn some money. 😆
very handsome chap
I like to think it's because I'm some kind of man trophy, but then I look in the mirror. 😐 
I've told her plainly that if she ever want's me to be a stay at home dad - she's going to have to ply me with lots of Mountain Bikes. Ahem....I have my priorities in order.
The Suffragettes were the first feminists?
For this reason alone I'm in.
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I'm really enjoying this!
46% women and 39% children, doesn't leave much room for men there does it.
Apparently ([url=
of a quick google[/url]) the 46% includes girls (ie part of the 39%), so 54% male deaths. Not that there's anything particularly positive about this data, of course, but it does show more men die than women in conflict. In [url=
wars[/url] the difference is even larger.