[Closed] Feminists, can they actually have a relationship that doesn't empower them?

I've read that three times and I'm none the wiser.

Same here.

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I'm just happy to see the phrase "much of a muchness" being used.

on a positive I've remembered to bookmark that gif as I can never find it

Who knows but for gods sake don't compliment them on their looks or achievements.

Half a shandy says the OP hasn't got a girlie

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As OP hasn't actually managed to get to any sort of point I'm going to say it's a women.

*runs away

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I think that the OP is a bluff, none of yer nonsense, straight-talking Yorkshireman.
No. I don't understand him either. Is there a translator in the house?

Foggiest not.

OK I'll bite. I would say that many women have had enough of patronising males. What's wrong with treating a woman as a human being who has feelings and a brain, as opposed to shagability scoring?

Steminism and Jeremy Corbyn. Discuss.

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I had a relationship once

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I would say that many women have had enough of patronising males. What's wrong with treating a woman as a human being who has feelings and a brain, as opposed to shagability scoring?

Most men I know don't treat or think of women like that. Second wave feminism brainwashes women into thinking all men are like this and lays the seeds of distrust and even hatred towards men.

Most men and most women are decent people, but ideologies are designed along divide and rule policies - such as making men and women hate one another.

You might as well put 'Men,can they have a relationship that doesn't empower them'.

"These people." Now there's a phrase I dislike.

I'm a feminist so happy to answer your question if you want to completely rewrite it so it even makes 10% of sense.

Most men I know don't treat or think of women like that. Second wave feminism brainwashes women into thinking all men are like this and lays the seeds of distrust and even hatred towards men.

I've been dealing a lot with the medical profession for a good few years now. Without exception every male doctor I've spoken with can not deal with me disagreeing with them or indeed having an opinion. This includes me proving them wrong. I've been sneered at, patronised, treated as a moaning menopausal woman and all because I refuse to be a compliant patient as they don't do their bloody job.

I'll stop now. 😀

The nearest Google translate can manage is:

Asubuhi hii isiyo ya kawaida Nilitembelea Langsett Cafe ambapo mimi kusoma magazeti, miongoni mwa umati wa MAMILS na kile walionekana kuwa kamwe kukomesha rundo la ghali baiskeli STORCK Road kulikuwa na hadithi wengine wawili standout, si kwamba michuzi inaonekana kidogo tupu au kulikuwa na leso chache kwa punters lakini !!

Haki za wanawake na Jeremy Corbin?

Naelewa hadithi Corbin na leanings kisiasa ya baadhi tabloids, lakini wengine tu walionekana kuwa, vizuri tu isiyo ya kawaida kwa kuwa baada ya outburst ya haki za binadamu amevaa kama ukeketaji mwanasheria wiki hii. Inaonekana kuwa jukwaa kwa ajili ya uzinduzi zaidi masuala ya kijinsia blurb, nowt kibaya na kwamba kila mtu ana haki ya kuongea nk

Nashangaa kama watu hawa wanaweza kweli kuwa uhusiano wenye maana na kiume bila excercising aina fulani ya nguvu hata hivyo, usawa hawakuwa wanaonekana kutaja sana wakati wote? Ingawa i inaweza kuongeza Mimi basing mawazo yangu juu ya kile Nimesoma lakini ilionekana kuwa sehemu kubwa ya muchness katika bodi na hakuna mjadala mbadala.

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It's not because you are a woman, but because you are not a doctor.
I have had similar experiences to yours and I am a man.

Cinammon Girl, couldn't your issue with doctors be non-gender related? Many people, male as well as female, complain that their doctor doesn't listen to them.
Perhaps you have a concrete example.

I have a permanent health condition where females make up around 90% of sufferers. Of course if these figures were transposed then you can bet that there would be actually be better treatment. Or all sufferers would receive medication on the NHS, unlike how it is now.

The NHS is inherently sexist I'm afraid.

A +1 for Chip. I have also been patronised by a doctor. Some don't realise that professional competence includes people skills. I have met a couple during my treatment who though quite senior are not fully competent.

What is the role of a nurse? To stop a doctor from killing you.

badnewz - Member

Second wave feminism brainwashes women into thinking all men are like this and lays the seeds of distrust and even hatred towards men.

I do like that your response to "patronising men" is to be a really patronising man though, that's good.

I do like that your response to "patronising men" is to be a really patronising man though, that's good.

I was criticising the ideology of second wave feminism, not women. If any type of critique from someone who happens to be a man is automatically construed as patronising, then there really is no hope.

Nope- the bit where you explained how those poor women were being brainwashed and don't really think these things was the patronising part.

Nope- the bit where you explained how those poor women were being brainwashed and don't really think these things was the patronising part.

As it happens I think ideologies brainwash both men and women. In the past I've argued that many people in our society are brainwashed by cultural marxism (I consider radical feminism a part of cultural marxism overall, albeit one which is obviously targeted at women).

A hospital consultant once said to me that a great deal more research and resources goes into breast cancer than into prostate cancer. Shirley in a sexist service it would be the other way round.

OP, don't you worry your pretty little head about it, darlin'.

Without exception every male doctor I've spoken with can not deal with me disagreeing with them or indeed having an opinion.

Cinnamon Girl, it's the same for blokes ! I make every effort to see female doctors as they are always better.

Darlin, Darlin.....?

I am shocked at that kind of language

Oh Doctors listen?!?! No way never, not even once. Doesn't matter on the gender, they're not listening types, they like a puzzle you see. They ask you the problem but they've switched off have way through and they're busy trying to diagnose from other clues, they're checking around your eyes for fatty deposits which might show signs of high cholesterol, they're checking your nails for white marks etc etc.

What makes that worse is during their training they were told all about "bedside manner" and told they should ask about people's welfare etc, unfortunately they don't get told they have to listen - I hate it when they ask you something about your lifestyle, but half way through they switch off, or worse cut you off as if you're wasting time, it's infuriating! As they get more senior / specialised they get worse, until they get better, I've met a few Consultants in their late 50's early 60's they've risen to such a rarefied level of almost god like statue within the hospital that they're free to glide from place to place whilst a small gaggle of juniors and ward sisters fuss about in their wake - they're lovely to talk to, because they've finally learnt to pretend to be listening well.

I've got to visit the doctors fairly regularly to have prescriptions checked and other tests, I se a Nurse Practitioner now, she's great - a pretty much perfect mix of Nurse and Doctor.

I was criticising the ideology of second wave feminism

Or oversimplifying an inherently complex and multi-layered 20+ year period in a fight for some level of equal treatment? Perhaps.

cinnamon_girl - Member
OK I'll bite. I would say that many women have had enough of patronising males. What's wrong with treating a woman as a human being who has feelings and a brain, as opposed to shagability scoring?

Agreed.

I was criticising the ideology of second wave feminism
Or oversimplifying an inherently complex and multi-layered 20+ year period in a fight for some level of equal treatment? Perhaps.

Glad I wasn't alone in that tootall.

I've been dealing a lot with the medical profession for a good few years now. Without exception every male doctor I've spoken with can not deal with me disagreeing with them or indeed having an opinion. This includes me proving them wrong. I've been sneered at, patronised, treated as a moaning menopausal woman and all because I refuse to be a compliant patient as they don't do their bloody job.

I'll stop now.

You live in a fantasy land if you think that this only applies to women. I have had all of the same things from BOTH male and female Drs and one female Dr in particular was so rude and argumentative, I actually started raising my voice, as the way she was behaving was a disgrace.

^^ not just doctors. I had a similar experience with an ignorant radiographer!

Not just Doctors or Radiographers, I've had similar experiences with patients. Some of them happened to be female too.

^^ not just doctors. I had a similar experience with an ignorant radiographer!

People in the medical world often seem to think they are god, and that you are a lowly peasant who couldn't possibly have any understanding of your own condition.

Drac - Moderator
Not just Doctors or Radiographers, I've had similar experiences with patients. Some of them happened to be female too.

I have no doubt. In my wife's experience it's the families who are trying to rip off their vulnerable relatives who are the worst!

People in the medical world often seem to think they are god, and that you are a lowly peasant who couldn't possibly have any understanding of your own condition.