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I think history shows us who the true villians are.
[url] http://listverse.com/2007/09/05/top-10-most-evil-men/ [/url]
This shows us that with the exception of Idi Amin (who to be fair was really small potatoes to the other guys), the worlds worst people are reasonably skinny.
However, this is probably due to the increased intelligence and sharpness that is commonly associated with being skinny.
However, this is probably due to the increased intelligence and sharpness that is commonly associated with being skinny.
As well as Vlad The Impaler not having a local McDonalds.
i.e score against fat people on the basis that on balance their health is likley to be less good than a less obese person?
Ah, but not medically [i]proven[/i] to be any worse, in any individual case, however. A tubster could be a lot healthier than a skinny rake.
Mental health issues are far more likely to have an impact on an individual's ability to do a job than weight, but you can't see those....
There's a fat bird in work who's always off sick "because of her back", nothing to do with her girth affecting her back then... 🙄
Fatties can be slated because it's their fault, end of, the fat bastards
but not medically proven to be any worse, in any individual case
Really, so you can you honestly point at a situation where being obese is good for the overall health of any individual?
Mental health issues are far more likely to have an impact on an individual's ability to do a job than weight
Really? Do tell how do you work that one out.
Be careful what you say!!
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Really, so you can you honestly point at a situation where being obese is good for the overall health of any individual?
There are many instances of people being malnourished and underfed. It's just that overweight people are easier to spot...
Really? Do tell how do you work that one out.
Why, are you too thick to work it out yourself?
Fatties can be slated because it's their fault, end of, the fat bastards
What a happy little World you inhabit...
One could assume that fat people are indeed more likely to be off ill, for a whole variety of reasons. And that'd be fair enough. But you could also assume that anyone doing activities like MTBing is likely to be off ill more often than your average keyboard-jockey, so would you penalise them too? I'm not one for giving the green light to fatness, as I think it does no-one any good, but there's a line your employer needs to stop at unless it can be shown to significantly affects the work of the employee in question (case by case)
But you could also assume that anyone doing activities like MTBing is likely to be off ill more often than your average keyboard-jockey, so would you penalise them too?
Here's a thing; just say you have an accident whilst out on your bike, and end up permanently disabled. Can I therefore poke fun at you because it's 'your fault'?
Whilst it's true people need to take responsibility for their own actions, is it then fair to abuse them because they've been less than perfect with their decisions?
Personally, I'd rather work with a whole load of fat people (or indeed anyone), than some of the ignorant, narrow-minded prejudiced tossers on here... 🙄
Please can I have the hundred?
Thanks 🙂
But to the afflicted... why can't you just say 'no'?
Same reason any addict can't. Smokers, coke-heads, workaholics etc etc.
Incidentally, I'd wager that a hell of a lot (if not most) 'thinnies' probably eat far too much as well, but they have the metabolism to deal with it. I've hardly met a bloke who is consciously trying to keep their calories under control. They are either podgy/fat or congenitally skinny. Very few men are actually trying to diet.
if we're going to defend the overweight I think it only fair not to discriminate against idiots (those of low IQ) too...
being an idiot isnt elective its an unavoidable state for many. Take fred for example.
[i]Smokers, coke-heads, workaholics [/i]
This is where I have a significant problem with this whole discussion. A vast proportion of British people are jolly big, and far more are jolly big now than was the case 50 years ago. Are we seriously saying that [i]all[/i] of these people are "food addicts" and that many of them are also suffering from an "exercise intolerance"?
I absolutely understand that a lot of people do have psychological problems with their eating habits and that for a lot of people weight gain is bound up with low self-esteem, depression etc etc. But I'd love to have a feel for roughly what proportion of the seriously over-weight this represented. If it's in fact very high, fine. That would affect our view of the whole issue. But I can't help feeling that it simply isn't an "addiction" for the bulk of people, it's simply a habit. Don't know, and I doubt this thread will enlighten me. Ah well. 🙂
[i]I've hardly met a bloke who is consciously trying to keep their calories under control. [/i]
Speaking personally, I am consciously trying to keep my [i]waistline[/i] under control. And while I may have a "high metabolism" I also take masses of exercise and watch what I eat. I'm not scientific about it, admittedly. What you never, ever see is a big person who says "I'm lucky I've got a really fast metabolism, imagine what I'd be like if I had a really slow one". 🙂
But I can't help feeling that it simply isn't an "addiction" for the bulk of people, it's simply a habit.
I doubt that it's habit or addiction. More likely a combination of poor diet choices, sedentary lifestyles, excessive alchohol consumption, poor education, lack of self control and the inability to take control of their own destiny when things are spiralling out of control.
I have to battle with weight gain and I can pin point some of those factors in my case, I just choose to act upon them.
****ing heck, is this still going............fat is cool....fact.
and fat birds are always moist......downstairs...... 😉
and fat birds are always moist.
roll'em in flour and aim for the damp patch eh? 😉
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Very few men are actually trying to diet.
Really? You must have missed the myriad of threads about men wanting to lose weight, of which there was [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/trying-to-lose-weight ]one only today[/url]....oh plus the 2010 FatClub thread.
Stoner - Member
being an idiot isnt elective its an unavoidable state for many.
You're right. You can't help it, which is why I won't take the piss out of you.
Are we seriously saying that all of these people are "food addicts"
A significant proportion, if not a majority. Most of us are born with a food addiction after all. Our brains respond to fat, sugar and salt.
What you never, ever see is a big person who says "I'm lucky I've got a really fast metabolism, imagine what I'd be like if I had a really slow one"
I have heard this several times. People who are lucky often acknowledge it ime.
I doubt that it's habit or addiction. More likely a combination of poor diet choices, sedentary lifestyles, excessive alchohol consumption, poor education, lack of self control and the inability to take control of their own destiny when things are spiralling out of control.
Why do we make poor diet choices when we know things are bad for us? Why do we drink to much or smoke? Habit, or addiction in many cases. Self control? Same.
It's all interlinked. Some people are in denial, some can't help themselves. I'd suggest that if you don't understand the phrase 'self loathing' then you may not be in a sufficiently informed position to comment on fat people.
For some, it can be helpful to tell them to stop being so self indulgent and get a grip. For others, hearing this day in, day out and still failing can just promote a vicious circle descending in to depression and mental ill health. Which then in turn could lead to the use of denial as a coping strategy.
You must have missed the myriad of threads about men wanting to lose weight
I was talking about the general population, not STW.
and fat birds are always moist......downstairs
Is this due to excessive sweating and creams that stop chaffing?
nah. Its milkshake smuggling.
the other unpleasant off-shoot is the noisy wheezy breathing thing while at rest
After scanning this thread - I had to eat three walnut whirls.
that weird nasal breathing thing is creepy.
and why do fat people always blame other people for their condition?
more calories in than you burn = fat. it's not difficult to see this relationship.
America has more than it's fair share of fatties. Americans co-incidentally eat more than their fair share of food.
Fat people that I've encountered at work, generally (but not exclusively) tend to be the ones that do less. I sat behind a desk, ate too much food and got too little exercise for a while a year of two ago and ended up 15st. I hated my body, was crap on a bike and generally felt unhealthy.
I got a grip of myself, built a new bike, got more exercise and stopped eating food for the sake of it (i.e. when hungry rather than a set time and actually stopping before feeling too full). I lost 2.5st in a couple of months and it's stayed that way since.
I see far too many lazy wasters (usually driving their free motability car to the bookies/pub/cafe), eating far too much food and doing too little of anything else for anyone to convince me that any more than a very small percentage of fat people have no choice.
There is a world of difference between a person like me who is big and knows it and a seriously mentally ill person who is let's say 10 stone over weight.
I don't normally feed the trolls but would you make the same offensive comments about a anorexic person as you do about a obese person?
The kind of ignorance demonstrated by some people on here makes me sick to my considerable stomach.
Just to clarify - I'm totally at ease with differentiating between big and fat people.
[i]I don't normally feed the trolls but would you make the same offensive comments about a anorexic person as you do about a obese person?[/i]
I'm absolutely not picking a fight here jools, but I find this interesting. My sense is that most people probably don't particularly mean to be vile about people who are actually mentally ill. They are however very intolerant of people who [u]do[/u] eat too much and [u]don't[/u] take enough exercise and always have a ready excuse why that isn't the reason they're overweight. Then the defensiveness sets in, and we get this tendency to define all or most fatness as a psychiatric condition (driven by self-loathing or whatever) that no-one has to take responsibility for because they have a food addiction.
It'd be interesting to work it the other weay around. I'm laughably skinny, to the extent that women s**** openly when I take my shirt off to reveal my ribcage. I have a normal bmi and am perfectly healthy, I am just waaaay too lazy to work out and don't naturally grow muscle (or anything else) on my chest or shoulders.
Now, skinny people are not the butt of the sort of cruelly effective humour that fat people are at all, so the comparison isn't accurate. But if someone laughed at me for having no pectoral muscles, and I came back and told them that it was mean to laugh at anorexics and excessive skinniness was a mental illness so they shouldn't laugh at me for having no mucles and visible ribs they'd tell me I was a prat. Rightly so, I reckon.
I think part of what goads people into pushing it so far in mocking the fat is this tendency to respond by denying responsibility, when as far as most people's commonsense view has it the vast majority of people who are fat enough to be funny because they're fat are not mentally ill particularly, they're just fat. That may be quite wrong (molgrips took the view earlier that it was). But equally there are plenty of people like theartistformerlyknownasSTR who claim to have simply shaken themselves and lost the excess weight, which rather suggests that if it is all mental illness it's not often of the insurmountable sort.
It's a nasty one this, because it goes on and on and often offends people. I'm trying not to, so sorry if I am. 🙂
why do fat people always blame other people for their condition?
a) they don't always - you generalising tw*t
b) it's called being in denial, and is a way of coping when subconsciously you know you're shit
c) they might just not understand - lot of unintelligent people in the world.
d) facing up to your problems can be very difficult - especially when society (ie people like YOU) treat you like scum and openly point and laugh about you to their mates making them feel like the worst pieces of sh*t in the world.
And no I am not obese.
joolsburger - Member
Blah, blah, blah...The kind of ignorance demonstrated by some people on here makes me sick to my considerable stomach.
Bulemia? It might just work for you...
Oh, I'm a bald bugger too and not what you'd call conventionally handsome.
If someone calls me a bald ugly t**t, you won't find me crying myself to sleep.
(I've somehow managed to bag a fit missus though - and hang on to her for 17 years. I'm not sure how she'd respond to daylight now and the ropes are starting to rub a bit of late.)
I don't consider myself mentally ill just lacking in self discipline but I am in the process of losing two stone, at the end of that I'll still be 14 and a half stone! I'm a big guy though always have been.
I've piled on the pounds being in a sedentary job for six months with access to all kinds of delectables at lunchtime I've been fat and lazy and I know it, to be completely honest. I take solace in the fact that as I get fitter I have a definite way and am very motivated to get back to my fighting weight.
There are however those for whom eating too much is indicative of much more deep seated mental issues and I think it's something that people should be a bit less judgemental about.
Being fat for an awful lot of people is a sign of massive unhappiness and hearing that they are worthless crap can't help eh.
TSA - I'm sure someone likes you, try not to worry about it too much.
[i]There are however those for whom eating too much is indicative of much more deep seated mental issues and I think it's something that people should be a bit less judgemental about. [/i]
Well put. This point should be made early and firmly at the very start of any of these debates, then perhaps we'd all just STFU. 🙂
G'night.
Being fat for an awful lot of people is a sign of massive unhappiness and hearing that they are worthless crap can't help eh.
It's too easy to put someone else down, because you feel inadequate yourself. In fact it's a regrettable Human trait. Perhaps it takes a bit more dignity to rise above petty bullying, than some people can manage.
Think what you like about someone else's laziness, lack of discipline etc, but have some respect for their feelings. It's not too much to ask.
OK, heres one I'll put to you...
I'm a fat git, properly overweight, and I shouldnt be!
Ten years ago, I was thin, properly thin and heading down into a void of 'sports anorexia' - ie riding a lot and not eating anywhere near enough - mentally I really was in a very dark place and theres no doubt I was obsessive and somewhat addicted to the kick of training and losing wight in the process. I was also living with someone with a history of eating disorders, a recovering anorexic, who wrote down everything she ate and was subject to relapses.
Overall, it wasnt a good place to be mentally, and physically I was really starting to go down, lost several stone in the course of two years! I was fast and fit on the bike though...
I had and have seen up close and personal the pain and horror of anorexia nervosa, and watched someone I loved very, very much starve themselves and be torn apart by it - Frankly I saw myself going down the very same thought processes and character/behaviour traits -
I panicked and went the other way! went to the heavier side of "average", but mentally a lot better place.
We split up a few years ago, I went into a bout of depression and put more weight on, I also had difficulties with a leg injury and sciatica, got over them but had real difficulty shedding the weight...
I've successfully gone on a diet a few times, but given my history I know how to do it just a little too well! I tend to find myself going in too fast and too hard - I lose weight too quickly (3 stone/3 months) I overtrain and, quite simply, the mental obsessiveness and weight loss kick come back in - and you know what, it ****ing terrifies me! I don't want to go back to that place again, I've watched what it does to someone, I've seen what it does to me, and I hate, hate, hate it.
So, I panic and go the other way again - so I yo yo, up and down... terrified to lose weight and hating myself for putting it on!
You know what - I'm not stupid, I know thats a mental disorder, whether I like it or not -basically, I'm sort of an anorexic trapped inside a fat persons body...
Complex eh!
a) they don't always - you generalising tw*t
b) it's called being in denial, and is a way of coping when subconsciously you know you're shit
c) they might just not understand - lot of unintelligent people in the world.
d) facing up to your problems can be very difficult - especially when society (ie people like YOU) treat you like scum and openly point and laugh about you to their mates making them feel like the worst pieces of sh*t in the world.
a. i guess you are right not all pie eaters blame the pies.
b. these people are not shit, they just weigh more than you, you generalising tw*t
c.tru dat.
d. I have never treated anyone like scum or openly pointed and laughed at an obese person, they have enough to deal with carrying their quivering carcass around without somebody openly pointing that out.
Yowsers you're in a complicated place there zulu!
I saw my mum deal with bulimia when I was growing up and to see the obsession over counting calories, watching every detail of what you eat, arguing with the mirror made quite an impression. I think it's left me with the idea that it's not great to obsess over food, maybe you will get there one day!
I've always had a bit of fat round the gut, my brother is the opposite and has never had a belly, and he eats crap.
Weird that you had those tribes years ago where a fat woman was viewed as desirable, as food was scarce and it showed you were richer than those around you. Now food is plentiful and we have more obese people than ever, yet the adverts would have you belive that being skinny is the ideal. People will happily pay more money for food with little or no calories! madness.
I commute to work and like it as it keeps the fat down a bit, and I can eat more of what I like 🙂 Yet when some people are impressed I do 'all that exercise' I point out my journeys only just cover the government's reccomended half an hour 5 times a week. I think our ancestor's would have been very surprised at just how little physical effort we need to do to survive theses days. A bit like reducing the CO2 you put out, the infrastructure that surrounds you limits a lot of your choices and slowly changes the norm. So the 'progress' has made that human desire to eat rich foods where possible (thank the fatties for keeping the species going through some of those harsh winters 🙂 ) a bit of a double edged sword.
Stoner
'[i]Im more than happy to be prejudiced against anyone who can be categorised by an elective act of their own. The religious, the fat, the mulleted, Man Utd supporters, etc etc. Each manifestation of someone's personal choices provides information on which to base an assumption about that person. Nowt wrong with that.
Rusty's extension into prejudice about the handicapped, race, gender or sexuality is spurious since they are examples of non-elective states.[/i]'
Agree. Rarely is such wisdom shown.
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we get this tendency to define all or most fatness as a psychiatric condition (driven by self-loathing or whatever) that no-one has to take responsibility for because they have a food addiction
Since when does having an addiction or psychiatric problem absolve you of responsibility? I was in no way implying that it does.
I'm also not alleging that every fat person has this kind of problem either. But there are a great many fat people that hate themselves, and wish they were thin, but are unable to do much of anything about it for one reason or another. This needs a bit of thought, surely?
Oh, and there's a massive difference between being say bald and fat. If you're bald, you're bald - it's not your fault, and there's nothing you can do about it. If you're fat, most of society seems to think you're utterly deplorable scum, they taunt you openly in the street and make you feel like the most pathetic excuse for a human being. This is a terrible amount of pressure, and it's no wonder that people's mental state and grip on things crumbles....
Zulu-Eleven - Member
OK, heres one I'll put to you...I'm a fat git, properly overweight, and I shouldnt be!
Ten years ago, I was thin, properly thin and heading down into a void of 'sports anorexia' - ie riding a lot and not eating anywhere near enough - mentally I really was in a very dark place and theres no doubt I was obsessive and somewhat addicted to the kick of training and losing wight in the process. I was also living with someone with a history of eating disorders, a recovering anorexic, who wrote down everything she ate and was subject to relapses.
Overall, it wasnt a good place to be mentally, and physically I was really starting to go down, lost several stone in the course of two years! I was fast and fit on the bike though...
I had and have seen up close and personal the pain and horror of anorexia nervosa, and watched someone I loved very, very much starve themselves and be torn apart by it - Frankly I saw myself going down the very same thought processes and character/behaviour traits -
I panicked and went the other way! went to the heavier side of "average", but mentally a lot better place.
We split up a few years ago, I went into a bout of depression and put more weight on, I also had difficulties with a leg injury and sciatica, got over them but had real difficulty shedding the weight...
I've successfully gone on a diet a few times, but given my history I know how to do it just a little too well! I tend to find myself going in too fast and too hard - I lose weight too quickly (3 stone/3 months) I overtrain and, quite simply, the mental obsessiveness and weight loss kick come back in - and you know what, it **** terrifies me! I don't want to go back to that place again, I've watched what it does to someone, I've seen what it does to me, and I hate, hate, hate it.
So, I panic and go the other way again - so I yo yo, up and down... terrified to lose weight and hating myself for putting it on!
You know what - I'm not stupid, I know thats a mental disorder, whether I like it or not -basically, I'm sort of an anorexic trapped inside a fat persons body...
Complex eh!
It's stories like this that show why you shouldn't make snap judgements, as you know nothing of people's lives just by looking at their weight.
To pick on someone for whatever reason says a lot more about yourself than the person you are laughing at imo. People should just concentrate on their own lives instead of judging others. Sounds like a John Lennon song! 😉
[i]"TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR
Oh, I'm a bald bugger too and not what you'd call conventionally handsome"[/i]
Are you unconventionally handsome??
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