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Honestly people, tell me what is the point of F1?
If nothing else - it's the one industry where the UK leads the way, with most of the teams based here & it does employ an awful lot of people.
In fact, I think every team has a UK presence of some sort
Specialist design & engineering in the UK thrives on the motorsport industry
caveat: I've not actually seen the figures for a while
Well that's one of my Buddies looking for a new job then ( mind you he doesn't like being nozzle- man).
I grew up on a diet of 70s F1, sportscar racing and endless club races.
Modern F1 is as exciting as watching mould grow! It(or that ****t Ecclestone) has ruined the image of motorsport.
Go watch a sportscar (I.e. Le Mans) race: the differences in driving quality/ speed/overtaking are staggering when compared to F1.
😀Go watch a [s]sportscar[/s] Club racing
if you've got digital... watch ITV 4 when the touring car rounds are on - the support races have some great racing - Ginetta G50s, Clio Cup, Porsche... very close racing, with evenly matched cars.
Also if you have MotorTV on your package - then Ma5da (MX5s) Ginetta G20, Formula Ford are all apsolutly brilliant to watch. Also Caterham - dunno if you have any TV slots, but they are brilliant to watch at a circuit
I remember last year, when the MX5 championship was at Oulton Park i was flagging at Avenue (just after the first turn at Old Hall) as the pack rounded OH off the start line the first 3 cars had been far too brave and all slid wide - a all just held the cars sideways till the got back to the track, still in the leading 3 positions, the next 15 mins of racing were apsolutly frantic.
But i have been loving F1 for the last few years, a big improvement in the racing from some of the recent times.
The re-fuelling guy will be part time. He'll still have to fill the car up before the race.
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8027912.stm ]15 years ago today[/url] - glory days. I was at Monaco that year - walked the grid after the race and that Brazilian flag on the tarmac spoke volumes.
I reckon they should let the teams do what they want, bring back the turbo's! Rules on safety should still be applied but otherwise just let the engeneers free to build what they like.
Whats the point of anything we do for entertainment
What I mean is, its a bit like the Premiership. When you get down to it a few races in theres a shrewd idea of the team and the driver who'll win it, 80% of the participants have absolutely no chance, and the organisers are perpetually changing the rules in a desperate bid to try and make it more interesting, before the public ans sponsors ctton on to the fact that as a racing spectacle its crepe. In the meantime the cost of going is obscene, the participants are creaming it in and as ususal the paying public seem to be having the pee taken out of them in a fairly profound way.
I wish they'd reduce the length of races, I'm always asleep an hour into an F1 race - I guess that's partly due to the low excitement factor though :p Watched the Bahrain GP and 6x speed on Sky, much better (just stop and watch the good parts at normal speed)
G - the cost is coming down, the're no real idea of who's going to win at the mome... HAVE you been watching the TV at all? Are we on a different planet?
Sure the rules are being changed, but that happens in most sports from Badminton to Football, the problem with any TEAM sport is that generally teams who find the winning ways and pay the winning people to stay will win, the rule changes try to negate that. I personally hate football and have very little knowledge of it, but just because one team win a lot doesnt mean the whole of the league is boring to watch and not worth it. If you dont like the fact that team A win all the time, just watch the fight between team B and C. Ultimately it's all there for entertainment and it's obviously entertaining enough to get people to pay to watch it. As it is entertainment there doesnt have to be "a point" to it, much like any elite sport. I'm confused by your point, to be honest.
I'm confused by your point, to be honest.
But hey, you find F1 interesting so that doesn't entirely shock me! 🙄
It's like lots of things G
Believe it or not [I don't] a serious amount of people find golf, snooker & darts exciting
TBH - nothing other than motorsport, downhill skiing & rugby union rocks my boat as a spectator sport
Understood, just interested as to what people see in it. For me its the best cure for insomnia known to mankind.
(Oh and by the way I generally quite enjoy watching motorsports both on 2 and 4 wheels)
I feel a bit sorry for the pit stop fella that used to put the fuel in... whats he going to do now?
Wrap himself round the tyres and think warm thoughts?
"When you get down to it a few races in theres a shrewd idea of the team and the driver who'll win it, 80% of the participants have absolutely no chance,"
hmm in the last 2 years the title race has been very very close.
As it was with Alonso and schumacker.
lets face it - 2007 the title race was between Kimi, Alonso and Hamlton right up to the end of the season.
2008 - Hamilton and Massa right up to the last race, with Kubica in with a shot too, until BMW stopped developing the car about 3 or 4 races from the end.
But hey, you find F1 interesting so that doesn't entirely shock me! [:roll:]
Have you watched any of this years? While I agree the previous few years I've not bothered watching, I dont understand your problem this year - it's totally switched around and different style of racing. This year theres crashes, spins, overtakes galore, different teams up front etc - its much more like normal motorsport than scalextrix these days. I was always more of a WRC fan, still am, but at least I can watch an F1 race now.
[i]What I mean is, its a bit like the Premiership. When you get down to it a few races in theres a shrewd idea of the team and the driver who'll win it, 80% of the participants have absolutely no chance,[/i]
Or pretty much like any other sport then-Athletics,boxing,football,darts,snooker,golf etc etc etc etc etc.....
Is there any sport now where people don't know who is likely to come out on top in a competition...
lets face it - 2007 the title race was between Kimi, Alonso and Hamlton right up to the end of the season.2008 - Hamilton and Massa right up to the last race, with Kubica in with a shot too, until BMW stopped developing the car about 3 or 4 races from the end.
So whats that then 3 out of 20 drivers who could have won it after the first few races of the season? So in fact I got my figures wrong that'll be 85% who don't get a look in then!
I worked on practically every race between 1997 -2002 for an Italian broadcaster and part of our job was to log everything interesting that happened in the race, in those days a very minor lock up or twitch was considered interesting, even a driver pulling off the visor strip, thats how dull it was. I developed what became known as 'green light syndrome' as soon as the race started and the initial excitement of the start was over I would invariably fall asleep as it was so dull. This season in comparison has had more action, overtaking and intrigue than those five years put together. If they continue to improve the sport like this then IMHO in can only be a good thing.
depends on how you look at it G.
Yes, the title race was between only a couple of drivers - Kimi seemed to be a bit disinterested for most of the season (but the Spa race was a cracker - discounting the meddling after the race) but as always the battles mid pack for points, finishes and results can be just as interesting to me, as the title battle. (things like Sato, in the back marker Super Aguri get one on Alonso at Canada 07)
If you dont enjoy it, or dont get it - i dont think i can convince you otherwise.
equally - no body could convince me that Football is anything other than a bunch of jessies running around after a ball, and is utterly boreing to watch.
Seems a bit mental to moan that only a few teams get a lookin at the podium spots - thats the same in any sport that doesnt involve mostly luck.
Don't get me wrong I used to be an avid follower, boyhood heros in my house were Graham Hill and Jim Clarke FFS ! Its just that in the current era I find it tiresome, processional and irrelevant.
For example in terms of passing I would say one of the best things they could do would be to demand tyres that don't produce marbles and therefore allow the racing line to be greater. Perhaps throw in a standardised engine, such as for arguments sake any 1.8 litre mass production car engine which can be modified up to say a producing a maximum of X Rpm or Y Horsepower, (that would make the sponsorship from the big car companies much more likely). Race to be run on Z(ed) litres of fuel which can be put into the car at a maximum of 2 fuelling stops throughout the course of the event. Obviously one of those would be for qualifying and therefore if you chose to run light to qualify the second would be a full load for the race and so on. This would force the research down the track of producing max power from minimum fuel and therefore into developing relevant technologies in realtion to the current world situation. Cap drivers salaries to a % of the teams total turnover. I don't believe you can really cap teams expenditure, as there are more ways of concealing that than there are bull dog clips behind Joan Rivers face.
I don't think it takes a genius to make it interesting, just the will.
What I really don't get is how folk can find it interesting as it stands at the moment.
uplink - MemberSo all the qualification sessions will be run with the cars all the same weight - hopefully all skinny rather than making them run with full tanks
[url= http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090504152333.shtml ]
[/url]The FIA also confirmed that, accompanying the ban on race refuelling next year, drivers in 'Q3' can refuel under parc ferme conditions prior to the race.This change ensures the spectacle of low-fuel dashes for pole position, not affected by varying race strategies.
It's not really a sport though, is it, it's more about the performance of a machine, where has Button been for the last few years, it's not as if he has got better all of a sudden, he just has the best car at the moment.
I say it every time F1 threads come up; if you want to make it into a proper race, with overtaking, then stop putting the fastest guys at the front by scrapping pole position.
Instead we have this stupid tinkering and legalese while the actual idea of a race to find out which driver is the best slowly disappears...
Exactly!if you want to make it into a proper race, with overtaking, then stop putting the fastest guys at the front by scrapping pole position
'Stock Car Starts' is the answer. Line the grid up in [b]reverse[/b] championship order. Let the quick guys work their way through.