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Yay! I've wanted this to happen for ages. Should give lots of scope for different race strategies. If only they'd make them race on one set of tyres(plus a wet option) too.
And tyre warming devices.
Linky?
thats the only opportunity for overtaking gone. back to the processions of old
Van Halen - Memberthats the only opportunity for overtaking gone. back to the processions of old
Not so. That should open up [i]more[/i] opportunities for [i]real[/i] overtaking.
[url= http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090430140202.shtml ]Linky[/url]
It's a good thing BUT, as their reasoning is to reduce costs, wtf are they not banning KERS for? Teams have spent tens of millions of dollars on it so far and will continue to do so.
No tyre warmers is going to add a good bit to the excitement - I can't see the drivers liking it much
There's been a fair bit of overtaking this year - the new designs are definitely helping and next year once the double diffusers are banned (again-ish!) there should be more.
I can remember when they banned refuelling back in the 80's(?), the races were as dull as dishwater because the drivers had to ensure they'd finish the race and were braking earlier, cornering slower accelerating slower.
que interpretation of the rules
i think no refuelling will be much better - it'll force drivers to overtake on the road, not in the pits. If they run out of fuel, well, they didn't put enough in to race until the end. Schoolboy error.
So all the qualification sessions will be run with the cars all the same weight - hopefully all skinny rather than making them run with full tanks
Second thoughts - go back to the single session method
The issue with the races in the 80's with cars running out of fuel was that a fuel limit of 220 litres (then 195 litres) was put on the turbo cars as a way of limiting the turbo power. If there are no restrictions on how much fuel you can carry, it should be great as the cars will handle very differently as the fuel load gets less. So some cars will start fast and be caught by other cars which handle better on low fuel loads.
And of course, overtaking on the track, not in the pits.
Hurrah!
F1 in yet another rule change? Surely not...
F1 in yet another rule change? Surely not...
that's how you keep it interesting
Years of almost static rules leads to domination by a couple of teams
[i]F1 in yet another rule change? Surely not... [/i]
Same thing could be said for every form of motorsport TBH
Keep it interesting? Its not been interesting for years.
coogan - MemberKeep it interesting? Its not been interesting for years.
It's kept you interested enough to open and post on this thread....
Ah, the old 'you it made you open this thread' argument...
coogan - MemberAh, the old 'you it made you open this thread' argument...
Ah - the old "I can type incoherent nonsense" argument....
surely they cant ban tire warmers, they'r hardly expensive?
Imagine the front rows of the grid all getting to the first corner, with 200kg more fuel than normal???
Seriously though, it's been more interesting than ever this year, more overtaking, more offs, more strategies - thats what rule changes do, make people think and try things.
I hate people overtaking in the pits, thats not real racing.
No refueling is a cracking way of getting diversity in to the sport and KERS is a cracking way of adding excitement also, for spectators and drivers. Remember its not just the spectators that get bored of continuous processions of identical cars trundling round in the same rut.
I'd like to see some [a lot] of the braking performance taken away
It'd be good to have 200m braking zones rather than 50m
uplink - MemberI'd like to see some [a lot] of the braking performance taken away
It'd be good to have 200m braking zones rather than 50m
From a safety viewpoint, who is gonna argue for worse braking?
From a safety viewpoint, who is gonna argue for worse braking?
I dunno - they banned ABS a few years ago & they now impound the cars in park ferme after qualli preventing them using different brakes for the race so they have reduced it a bit, I'd like to see a bit more
I'm not entirely sure safety would suffer as a result
not sure making them use the same brakes as qualifying necessarily means they're worse. They could just make them with more material initially and they've already bedded the pads so they're going to work better from the off.
Imagine the front rows of the grid all getting to the first corner, with 200kg more fuel than normal???
Thats why they do a "warm-up lap" 😯
safety first and cars will all be the same weight so there will be less difference in performance and therefore less overtaking.
unless another team does a brawn and sneaks something around the rule book.
Will they be restricting the amount of sets of tyres that can be used over a weekend or during a race?
not sure making them use the same brakes as qualifying necessarily means they're worse. They could just make them with more material initially and they've already bedded the pads so they're going to work better from the off.
They used to use different sizes for the race & qualli - now they can't
uplink - wasnt aware of that, fair enough.
One of the American series banned CF brakes a while back because braking distances were getting too short, so it's not unheard of
Honestly people, tell me what is the point of F1? Its about as exciting as watching trees grow, and has little relevance nowadays unless you happen to be one of the lucky few creaming it in.
G - MemberHonestly people, tell me what is the point of F1? Its about as exciting as watching trees grow, and has little relevance nowadays unless you happen to be one of the lucky few creaming it in.
Whereas watching MTB DVDs is......
Ban safety cars! That'll spice things up a bit. They're counter productive anyway - tyres cool down, safety car pulls in and several cars spin out on cold tyres. that's not very safe is it?
Hurrah for no fuel stops! Lets have no tyre changes in races. Race from start to finish. Make the races shorter if needed and everyone's a winner.
why bother 'racing' at all. why not just get a bunch of lawyers to sort out who won.
its what seems to happen anyway?
Have any of you nay-sayers actually watched it this year?
I was thinking the same a while back, but this year has seen some good exciting driving.
Don't knock it on something you watched 3 years ago.
I quite like the way drivers have different fuel loads, as it gives the slower cars a chance to be competitive if they have a lighter car, surely banning refuelling will just make the faster cars have even more an advantage, and take away the strategy involved?
Honestly people, tell me what is the point of F1?
A lot of people watch it, so I guess that's the point. People like it, it makes a great deal of money. Can't really argue with that just because you don't like it, can you?
I feel a bit sorry for the pit stop fella that used to put the fuel in... whats he going to do now!
Honestly people, tell me what is the point of F1? Its about as exciting as watching trees grow, and has little relevance nowadays unless you happen to be one of the lucky few creaming it in.
Whats the point of anything we do for entertainment - this years has had me drawn back from rallying (well ok, I like both now) whereas the previous few years I'd agree had gotten dull. Ultimately it doesnt have to be relevant to anything to be fun.
feel a bit sorry for the pit stop fella that used to put the fuel in... whats he going to do now
Sign on, like so many others? 😥
Pit fuelling fella will surely have other tasks than just refueling!
Suerly they can still do a bit of pitstop over taking when they go in for new tyres? and will they have to make the cars bigger to accomodate bigger fuel tanks????
[i]Honestly people, tell me what is the point of F1?[/i]
It's a bit like the space race - there's a lot of public interest, a fair bit of willy-waving, a ridiculous amount of money poured into R&D and at the end of it we get a few more useful inventions...
: P