Whinger Spice?
I’ll get me coat…
With gags like that you’re welcome to stay 😂
I though Histrionics Corner was excellent.
How many can you get
https://www.sporcle.com/games/usertimely76/formula-1-gp-drivers-2001-202163 for me
Good quiz, but I'm afraid I gave up after realising I can't spell Raikenen.
Or Hakkinen.
And I'm not sure about Vlleneurve, Fisichella, Barrachello, Kobayashi, Kovaleinen, Karthayan...
I'll have timed out way before I'd finishe dif I had to check all the spellings
andrewh
Good quiz, but I’m afraid I gave up after realising I can’t spell Raikenen.
Or Hakkinen.
And I’m not sure about Vlleneurve, Fisichella, Barrachello, Kobayashi, Kovaleinen, Karthayan…
I’ll have timed out way before I’d finishe dif I had to check all the spellings
Haha yeah it's a bit strict on that! I did have to google the spelling on a few.
Can't wait for the outcome on Thursday,
Redbull gives you whinge.
Redbull gives you whinge
We have got to keep posting that on their ****ter feed... 😝
Still can’t imagine what they have that could possibly make a difference, suppose we’ll know soon enough.
Interesting that Honda are keeping the Silverstone engine in for FP1 at least
Interesting that Honda are keeping the Silverstone engine in for FP1 at least
I’m guessing that if the PU is viable then the Load of Bull claim of $1.8m costs is undermined somewhat. Though no doubt they’ll have a hefty bill to replace all the piss and vinegar they’ve expended on this. (That said, I guess they have a handy in-house supply of the former.)
I’m guessing that if the PU is viable then the Load of Bull claim of $1.8m costs is undermined somewhat.
Maybe, but they'd swap out the ICE at some point anyway. This is more about protecting themselves from grid penalties as they'll be on their third/last engine if it has to be swapped
greeny30
Redbull gives you whinge.
😂
Maybe, but they’d swap out the ICE at some point anyway. This is more about protecting themselves from grid penalties as they’ll be on their third/last engine if it has to be swapped
Oh, for sure. I think the whole point of them telling everyone that figure was just to try and shore up their complaining, because they don’t have a legitimate complaint so they have to rely on emotive stuff.
But despite what Horner and Marko might like to think when their wünderkind is on the receiving end for once, just as the regulations don’t say “except on fast corners like Copse”, they also don’t say “unless the other car is really badly damaged” 🙂
claim of $1.8m costs is undermined somewhat.
I'm genuinely curious about how they arrived at that figure. One way to do it would be to add up the marginal cost of manufacturing every damaged component, without any R&D costs needed. However, many of those components will have a specified life after which they would be set aside for use as spares, but not used unless they ran out of parts at the end of the season. The broken parts that were near their normal life should be costed at a fraction of new parts - an engine that's done three race weekends isn't worth as much as a brand new one, for example. However, as far as I know, all parts except the power-units can be swapped freely between the two cars, so Red Bull can probably adjust the parts allocation between the two cars to minimize the new parts that they need to manufacture (basically, Perez will get older parts for the final races so Max can stay on fresher parts.) On top of that, some of the aero parts would have been specific to that circuit, so they would not have been used again anyway. Just saying that it would cost $1.8 million to replace everything is a bit simplistic.
I’m genuinely curious about how they arrived at that figure
I’d imagine the bulk of it comes from what they’ve spent on tissues since the last race.
I know horner is a w####r, but you would assume he doesn't have time for that currently
I'd imagine getting to the $1.8m number was an exercise in largely making it up as is usual in these sorts of circumstances. 'The numbers don't lie' = bolleux...
$1.8m is the price when sold on the streets when everyone in the chain has taken their cut, and it has been diluted 16 times with baking powder, at least 10 times what you would pay for it from your friendly colombian importer.
Given that it’s Red Bull I’d imagine it’s a case of making it for tuppence ha’penny and then trying to persuade everyone it’s worth £1.50 😉
Didn’t RB reckon they had telemetry or video or something that showed that given the speed and position Hamilton entered the corner he could not have successfully made the corner if Max hadn’t provided an additional braking medium? They were certainly suggesting that at no other point during the weekend did Hamilton enter that corner that fast (possibly from that position - but they why would he?).
Whether it’s true…
Is copse not flat out (on the correct line) in an F1 car? So won't be able to go much faster than flat out...
yetidave
Free MemberIs copse not flat out (on the correct line) in an F1 car?
The bracketed part would be key to the (flimsy) arguement
if Max hadn’t provided an additional braking medium?
That gentle tap on his right rear wheel! 🙂
Didn’t RB reckon they had telemetry or video or something that showed that given the speed and position Hamilton entered the corner he could not have successfully made the corner if Max hadn’t provided an additional braking medium?
That’s a valid point but I would say that the stewards already concluded that anyway, hence them giving LH the penalty. They clearly thought the balance was that LHs move was a bit hopeful but nothing worse than that and gave him the penalty based on it.
Unfortunate RB seem to have forgotten the rule that the punishment is for the crime not for the knock on effects. Yes their knock on effects were an expensive crash that put their driver out of the race but these sorts of manourvers happen all the time and are a bit “he said she said” so the punishments aren’t ever that serious.
If 2 drivers make the same mistake they are punished the same.
IMHO he would have made the corner albeit on a very wide line but we will never know that for sure.
That gentle tap on his right rear wheel!
Exactly! It can’t have made much difference to the line really. I don’t think any F1 driver, no matter how bad, would think that a demolition derby move like that would help them get round the corner.
I don’t think any F1 driver, no matter how bad, would think that a demolition derby move like that would help them get round the corner.
That's not what they are saying. They are trying to prove that Hamilton was effectively out of control and would've gone off the track had Verstappen managed to make his car jump 6ft in the air to get out of the way.
See above "flimsy" comment though
I know it is unsporting but could toto not deploy bottas to give verstappen a nudge occasionally to wind up rb some more
They are trying to prove that Hamilton was effectively out of control and would’ve gone off the track had Verstappen managed to make his car jump 6ft in the air to get out of the way.
And he would have been the first driver in history to overcook a passing attempt, run wide, fail to gain the place and try again? It's hardly crime of the century and I'd question whether it's being "out of control", the drivers know exactly what run off is available at every corner so know how much wiggle room they have if they do get it wrong.
I know it is unsporting but could toto not deploy bottas to give verstappen a nudge occasionally to wind up rb some more
or get vettel todo it when he is being lapped
deploy bottas to give verstappen a nudge
He'd have to be close to do that (unless being lapped)!
And he would have been the first driver in history to overcook a passing attempt, run wide, fail to gain the place and try again? It’s hardly crime of the century and I’d question whether it’s being “out of control”, the drivers know exactly what run off is available at every corner so know how much wiggle room they have if they do get it wrong.
Yup, flimsy
Given that Hamilton had to apply corrections through the wheel when they collided, meaning he’d lost grip as a result of the contact, yet he still made it round the corner without leaving the track, I’d say “flimsy” is an understatement, but we shall see. It’s a pretty safe bet there wouldn’t have been a car’s width to his outside on exit, but then both the FIA and Christian Horner have said that the car on the outside should yield, so…
to be fair to TJ, he was saying Hammy wouldnt have made the corner 😀
"I know it is unsporting but could toto not deploy bottas to give verstappen a nudge occasionally to wind up rb some more"
I like your thinking, I think Max Verstappen is going to find it a little bit harder to work himself through the field after pit stops.
Hamilton has done the rest of the field a favour, I think they see it as Hammy putting some manners on the lad and they'll exploit the fact that MV will be under scrutiny at every overtake.
If it were the TDF we'd be calling Hamilton 'the patron'.
I believe the appeal has been thrown out.
I believe the appeal has been thrown out.
I hope the FIA outcome includes a requirement for all the other team bosses to point and laugh whenever they see Horner or Marko.
I’d like to see the penalty overturned and LH given a ten second head start at the next race.
Some hypocrisy here, that's for sure;
I believe the appeal has been thrown out.
It has
https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/29/red-bull-fail-review-verstappen-hamilton-collision/
“They don’t expect me to just completely run off the track and then just keep my position - probably they would tell you that you cannot run off the track. So from my side, a bit surprised, yeah, that there is a little bit of a percentage [of responsibility] in there.”
What I think they expect, as James Allison calmly explained, is simply that he doesn’t keep his position. I’m not sure that possibility has entered Max’s head 😉 (Which, of course, would be part of what makes him the formidable adversary he is—but IMO does make him look a bit silly when he says things like that.)
Red Bull is understood to have presented several pieces of evidence to the stewards which they claim proved Hamilton entered Copse corner at a trajectory and speed which made the collision unavoidable.
Well, that’s bollocks, isn’t it: Max could have braked to allow Hamilton the corner and thus avoided the collision. (Which isn’t necessarily to say that he should have done that—just that “unavoidable” is hyperbole.) When Vettel hoofed him up the gearbox a couple of years ago, that was unavoidable for Max…
Good. Roll on Hungary and let's get back to racing 🙂
I can't help but feel this had been more a distraction to RB than Merc to be honest. Will be interesting to see if they both just knuckle down now and forget about it all.
Stewards dismiss Red Bull’s request for review of Hamilton’s Silverstone penalty, determining the evidence provided was neither new nor significant and had been created rather than discovered.
So...the stewards deemed that Red Bull were making sh!t up 😂
I can’t help but feel this had been more a distraction to RB than Merc to be honest. Will be interesting to see if they both just knuckle down now and forget about it all.
The teams forgetting about it (or at least "putting it aside for the duration") is one thing but the bloody media will be banging on about it for weeks more yet. It'll be in every interview with every Merc & RB driver and staffer (and probably a question asked of every other driver as well - "who do you think was at fault...?"), there'll be endless punditry about it, it'll be mentioned in every part of commentary when MV and LH are racing and there'll be wild speculation about how much impact that 25 points will have.
However, the final paragraph of the report does bring a further layer of controversy to this case through the mention of concerning “allegations” made in a letter from Red Bull, of which those slides were a part of.
“The stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations made in the Competitor’s above letter,” the report states.
“Such allegations may or may not have been relevant to the stewards if the Petition for Review had been granted.
“The stewards may have addressed these allegations directly in any decision that would have followed. The petition having been dismissed, the stewards make no comments on those allegations.”
Interesting...
Reading between the lines, perhaps they were trying to claim that Hamilton deliberately tried to punt Verstappen off.
Aside from anything, Hamilton would have to have a brain the size of a pea to do that, given that such a move would have had a high chance of ending both their races and he was 33 points behind at the time.
The content of the FIA’s statement seems like a fairly stiff middle finger to Red Bull:
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1420814770597466118
They’re really coming out of this looking like a proper bucket of dicks. Shame, really. I always liked the fact that I was relatively impartial about F1. Not any more 😂
Toto couldn't even be arsed to attend, classic.
Hdgaf.